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Homemade Oyster Sauce??
« on: July 16, 2011, 07:53:54 am »
  I was wondering if anyone has ever made oyster sauce with raw oysters???

  Koreans sometimes put oysters in kimchi to ferment and deliver an umami flavor. 
 
  http://www.fao.org/docrep/field/003/AB706E/AB706E08.htm

  Fresh shucked oysters are washed thoroughly to remove bits of shell, sand and other foreign substances, and placed on baskets for draining. For low-salt fermentation, 10% table salt is added to the oysters and mixed evenly with or without spices (minced garlic, shredded green onion, red pepper powder, roasted sesame seeds and chopped ginger are commonly used as spices). The mixture is packed in a jar and aged for 3 to 10 days, depending on temperature. Those fermented without spices are seasoned by adding some spices before serving.

For high-salt fermentation, about 20% table salt is added to the oysters. After it is properly fermented, the liquid of hydrolysis that accumulates on the upper layer of the jar is collected and filtered through cloth. The filtrate is heated to interrupt the fermentation process, and then cooled. The heat-treated filtrate is put back into the jar and mixed. The jar is sealed and kept in a cool place.


  When I do cook for other people I prefer to use a medium quality fish sauce (100% anchovy, salt, sugar, water) over soy sauce.   I figured that if I am going to use an umami condiment why not make a homemade, living, highly-mineralized version??

  Every single brand of storebought oyster sauce has a bunch of crap ingredients so this is pretty much my only option. 

  Maybe there is a brave soul on here who would consider taking on the challenge of making oyster sauce??  Just think of it like high meat, except with salted oysters =p. 

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Re: Homemade Oyster Sauce??
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2011, 11:47:56 am »
    I have made highmeat from oysters.  I didn't make it into a sauce to use on other foods though.  I've made high clams and high scallops too.  Haven't made high anchovies.  I don't think it would work with added salt.  You mean swish clean in its own salt-water?  If I were to make that, I think I'd add the salt after fermentation, so it wouldn't ferment much more.  I think if you add salt too early it may prevent some of the important early process.  Where did you start fermenting fish?
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Re: Homemade Oyster Sauce??
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2011, 12:32:35 pm »
Txurugi Oni, RawZi - two of my most favorite people on the planet from other places far far away. Love and grand amounts of light to you two of the most beautiful of beings! I've missed you so much RawZi - my alter ego.

This is my first post here btw. Greetings and Salutations to all. 

TO - what a grand idea to ferment oysters. We do not like those slimy thangs but oyster sauce sounds like such a fabulous idea. I mean, put enough garlic on anything and it is going to taste yummy right? Put it in a blender and it is no longer, slimy, it's thick and rich right?

Oysters are so easy to get raw almost any where. What do you like to put oyster sauce on???

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Re: Homemade Oyster Sauce??
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2011, 12:49:57 pm »
I am familiar with fermented squid, made in a similar fashion as the lower-salt fermented oyster method you posted. I would describe this type of food more as a "side-dish," whereas the "oyster sauce" I am familiar with (as in Lee Kum Kee brand) basically oyster extract (boiled-down oyster broth) with seasoning and thickening.

I don't know my bacteria that well, but I think that salt-fermented oyster would have a slightly different set of bacteria than high oyster.
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Re: Homemade Oyster Sauce??
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2011, 09:43:43 pm »
Welcome Dorothy! With you and Tsurugi and Rawzi all here, the best folk of GITMR, this place is really rocking now! Lots of former vegans have added raw animal foods to their diets and even gone raw Paleo/Primal and it is skyrocketing in popularity. It has far surpassed vegan, vegetarian, Atkins and South Beach on Google Trends. This is one reason Durian Rider and other vegans are so pissed off about it and attack anyone who says anything good about it. Ex-vegans are treated with particular hostility because they are regarded as traitors.

The Internet has enabled ordinary people to cut through the crud that the "experts" have been vomiting out for years and bypass them to talk to each other directly to learn what really works and learn that their physicians were being assholes when they poo-pooed their symptoms and told them to "not to worry about it" (until they became bad enough to prescribe Px drugs--"Now you can worry, here's a drug"). Older male physicians tend to be particularly callous with female patients, from what I've seen. The advice and therapies that most of my physicians and my clinical nutritionist gave me were awful. After lots of misguided male physicians often too much in a rush to try to figure out what was underlying my health problems or listen to me I had one good nurse and then one good physician from Russia who listened to me and the Internet that oriented me in the right direction.
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Re: Homemade Oyster Sauce??
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2011, 11:06:28 pm »
  RawZi, what do the fermented seafoods that you've eaten taste like??  Are there any particular flavors or cooked food analogies you can think of??

  What does fermented squid taste like o_O??  Texturally squid and octopus are some of my favorite seafoods (other than bivalves...... <3 scallops).  One of my favorite snacks was squid jerky (aged, not fermented) so I'm very curious.

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Re: Homemade Oyster Sauce??
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2011, 12:56:36 am »
  What does fermented squid taste like o_O??  Texturally squid and octopus are some of my favorite seafoods (other than bivalves...... <3 scallops).  One of my favorite snacks was squid jerky (aged, not fermented) so I'm very curious.

Salted, fermented squid ojingeojeot tastes salty and squid-y. I don't like it, I do like fresh, raw squid. More information here: http://www.maangchi.com/recipe/ojingeojeot

The dried squid I have tried is either shredded and seasoned (salt, sugar, etc.) or plain and whole.
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Re: Homemade Oyster Sauce??
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2011, 12:22:48 pm »
Thank you dearest PaleoPhil!

You know that you have helped me and my Mom and my husband more than I can say on gitmr. For me, eating raw of any kind is good for me and I feel strong pretty much on any whole food diet - but raw makes me feel stupendous. I have seen how no one diet is perfect for everyone and how much intolerance there can be. I didn't expect it after being into raw foods for about 3 decades on my own without much contact with anyone else into raw foods - but so far the least intolerance, most generosity and the most steady intelligence and good will and logic, to me, have been from people that eat omnivorously even if I don't.

I was flabbergasted Phil when you told me that the way that I eat - whole raw foods and lots of fermented foods actually made me paleo as long as it is right for me and makes me strong even if it doesn't include birds or mammals. I am working hard to learn more so that my husband who is carnivorous can be more healthy too as you know. So I'm very glad that you told me about this place. RawZi and I lost contact when another forum went down and I am absolutely delighted that I will get to spend time with her again.

I can see why some people might be intimidated. If this diet can include anything raw and natural that makes you feel really good - then there is no wonder. There is nothing that can compete. The vilification of the human race and any whole, natural food that people need to eat to feel good, makes no sense to me and if people feel sickly and there is no room for them to get the nutrients that they need within that system, eventually people will figure it out and leave no matter how much indoctrination.

Gitmr pretty much became the pick PaleoPhil and Tsurugi Oni's brains forum for me. I'm hoping there are some more good brains to go a picking from here as well - albeit those are some pretty tough brains to beat.  ;)

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Re: Homemade Oyster Sauce??
« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2011, 04:55:54 pm »
Txurugi Oni, RawZi - two of my most favorite people on the planet from other places far far away. Love and grand amounts of light to you two of the most beautiful of beings! I've missed you so much RawZi - my alter ego.

    Dorothy!!! So good to see you :D (although no one ever sees either of us and that's why they accuse us of being each other)  Love and light and all good things accepted :).  Carry on!


RawZi and I lost contact when another forum went down and I am absolutely delighted that I will get to spend time with her again.

I can see why some people might be intimidated. If this diet can include anything raw and natural that makes you feel really good - then there is no wonder. There is nothing that can compete. The vilification of the human race

    Some of them think (and speak it aloud) very often that humans need it go very often.  I have some disagreements with how some people are too, but I am seeing now that they are doing it too much.  Humans think too much.  I wish no humans thought or felt they had to condemn other humans for eating meat of other species.  It's what every omnivorous animal and carnivorous animal and carnivorous plant does, and without them God or whoever or whatever is or was responsible for originating it all would have made a grave mistake.

    Dorothy, as an aside, I feel very thankful for your flattery.  You did join GI2MR AFTER my year and a half or so stint, so maybe they thought you were copying me, and it's said that copying is the sincerest form of flattery.  I know I had too much of many of their cruel words and it was time for me to go away (and that means not reapply in my language).  Whatever the case, you are a very cool lady, and I am dearly sorry if they upset you with their brainless accusations.
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Re: Homemade Oyster Sauce??
« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2011, 04:58:46 pm »
With you and Tsurugi and Rawzi all here, the best folk of GITMR, this place is really rocking now! Lots of former vegans have added raw animal foods to their diets and even gone raw Paleo/Primal and it is skyrocketing in popularity.

    Thank you so much Paleophil!  I agree!  You, Tsurugi and Dorothy are amazing! (you did say that didn't you)

    On to the next step to helping heal the world at a more complete level.
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Re: Homemade Oyster Sauce??
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2011, 02:24:42 am »
Ah - RawZi - they no longer think that we are the same people at all. I let someone come and stay with me from there, so they know I'm different - but that person lied and stole and I and tried to take as much advantage of my husband and I as she could. :(  When we asked that person to leave (this was a long time ago) the person was respectful enough to not say a word on gitmr - they disappeared completely. Well, they just came back, I most stupidly said that they were what they were, and now I am not RawZi, I am a liar. I erased myself completely because I made myself way too vulnerable there with way too much personal information and with the return - I needed to leave for my own self-preservation.

You got booted off RawZi for eating meat...... and a group of fruit eaters decided to make sure that the whole nasty, dirty old experience had to stay in the fore-front so that I (the egg eater) had no option but to leave. I was just too vulnerable and understood the dangers to me in my real life.

Do you want to hear the most ironic thing of all Zi?

I just now, for lunch, with my husband, ate the very first of meat that I have had in 20 years! We both shared our first off the charts rare pan seared steak together. I just got some news yesterday about my husband's health that made me know that it was vital for him to improve his diet big time - now. After what I learned from Phil on gitmr and how I saw raw meat help my mother - I know how powerful it can be. I haven't desired it, don't feel like I need it, but it aint going to hurt me - and you better believe that I would kill a cow for my husband. I'd kill even myself for him if I thought it would help him. I figure that if I am going to really figure it out, learn about meat and prepare it for him, and for him to have the support that he needs - I need to eat.

I'm still not sure I should even keep my account open here under my real name Dorothy and where people from there can find me and maybe my email address. So, if I disappear, look for me as some meat eating paleo woman - not the old hard-core vegetarian that you once knew.

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Re: Homemade Oyster Sauce??
« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2011, 05:39:20 am »
Dorothy, for info that might help your husband and/or teach you some things about meat, one thing I recommend is reading Lex Rooker's journal in the journals section. Good luck to you and your husband both.

http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/journals/lex's-journal/msg1068/#msg1068
>"When some one eats an Epi paleo Rx template and follows the rules of circadian biology they get plenty of starches when they are available three out of the four seasons." -Jack Kruse, MD
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Re: Homemade Oyster Sauce??
« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2011, 09:37:33 am »
Dorothy, for info that might help your husband and/or teach you some things about meat, one thing I recommend is reading Lex Rooker's journal in the journals section. Good luck to you and your husband both.

http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/journals/lex's-journal/msg1068/#msg1068

You read my mind Phil. My next question was what was the first best thing to read. I thank you deeply for that direction and the good wishes.

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Re: Homemade Oyster Sauce??
« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2011, 05:16:02 pm »
I'd kill even myself for him if I thought it would help him. I figure that if I am going to really figure it out, learn about meat and prepare it for him, and for him to have the support that he needs - I need to eat.

    That's what I did.  For love of my family I had to try it myself so that they might heal.  I already knew so much from reading about it and from eating some raw veg diets 100% and that it could be better for the soil etc.

    As for liars and gossip, they called me a vampire for eating healthy meat.  The ones, who called me it, tried lots of sneaky ways to harm me so they could over-feed on my spirit and life-sparks for their own gain, for this crime I just mentioned that I committed against the animals I eat and the crime of talking about it and against the vegetarian community for writing about it without showing my face so they could carry out their threats. Of course with their diet induced paranoia they reasoned I'd hunt them down for the fun of it and eat their babies deep fried cause I am so cruel to practice my diet.

    I did some research after.  They are psychic vampires according to groups that include Dracula style and/or their style.  There's a manual called a psychic vampire codex.  It's rules so that they don't hurt people through ignorant acts and not knowing and how to find out if you are one.  They should probably read it and do their psychic feeds more responsibly so as not to hurt innocent people whose only crimes are things like telling the truth and making improvements with complete bravery and eyes open and compassion to humans and the planet as a whole.

    I just made that up.  It's all a fairy tale.  I'll put it this way.  People can cause harm to each other.
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Re: Homemade Oyster Sauce??
« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2011, 05:43:05 pm »
    Anyone have updates on their oyster sauce related experiments?

    I just ran out of my last drop of vegan worcestershire sauce.  I will not buy it again, as I was the only person in the house that liked it.  Now I have to try oyster sauce.
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Re: Homemade Oyster Sauce??
« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2011, 10:10:55 pm »
  W00t Rawzi keep us informed!!  I know that Koreans sometimes put oysters into kimchi for the umami quality it lends so I'm so curious as to how it'll turn out.  If I could make a quality fermented oyster sauce at home that would be spectacular.

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« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2011, 03:15:26 am »
Hey Rawzi - in your day did they have the great honor that they do now... did they have a war section where they declared others enemies and got together to figure out plans of attack? It's apparently truly the greatest honor because only the best, kindest, smartest people seem to get on the list and get quoted and talked about. Can you imagine someone eating eggs from their pet hens?! Oh so cruel, barbaric, horrendous! Then - to use raw milk from kindly-treated grass-fed cows to do the Budwig protocol to heal cancer - such a crime!

Did I just make that up too? Can't trust anything those egg-eaters say!


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« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2011, 05:59:05 am »
It's apparently truly the greatest honor because only the best, kindest, smartest people seem to get on the list and get quoted and talked about.
True. Diane Minger is one of the nicest people on the Internet and they carried out lots of nasty attacks on her.
>"When some one eats an Epi paleo Rx template and follows the rules of circadian biology they get plenty of starches when they are available three out of the four seasons." -Jack Kruse, MD
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« Reply #18 on: July 24, 2011, 07:13:04 pm »
Minger is one of the nicest people on the Internet and they carried out lots of nasty attacks

    Is her name Denise or something else like that?  

 W00t Rawzi keep us informed!!

    I will TO.

Hey Rawzi - in your day did they have the great honor that they do now... did they have a war section where they declared others enemies and got together to figure out plans of attack?  

    I don't know what kind of war section they might have now, but yes they had plenty of planned group attacks, and nothing was done about it.  I know it's hard.  I don't feel anything against any of them.  I just want to be around people who are nicer, like you all here and so many others there too.
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« Reply #19 on: July 24, 2011, 11:37:42 pm »
   Is her name Denise or something else like that?
LOL, yeah, that was a blunder.

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>"When some one eats an Epi paleo Rx template and follows the rules of circadian biology they get plenty of starches when they are available three out of the four seasons." -Jack Kruse, MD
>"I recommend 20 percent of calories from carbs, depending on the size of the person" -Ron Rosedale, MD (in other words, NOT zero carbs) http://preview.tinyurl.com/6ogtan
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Re: Homemade Oyster Sauce??
« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2011, 10:08:49 am »
Yep, there they are!
But this place has moderators/protectors - so I should be safe here.  ;)

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Re: Homemade Oyster Sauce??
« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2011, 05:35:35 pm »
    You are.  I am.
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