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Loss of Appetite
« on: May 27, 2011, 10:40:23 pm »
Over the past few days I have lost my appetite completely. I have decided to stop eating as of today and fast until I regain my appetite again. For the past few days I persistently ate even small amounts of food (raw fruit, meat, and honey) regardless of my lack of appetite out of confusion and fear.

I have experience fasting in the past, but this would be the first time my body has expressed a will to fast; beyond my control my body is not interested in any forms of food. Sometimes I yearn for something but it is not hunger for food and small amounts of water usually quell this desire.

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My daily diet since I began eating raw meat has been:

Consistent
1 piece of fruit (apple, kiwi, apricot, etc.)
raw fat
raw muscle meat
water
raw honey
raw egg yolk
raw, bio-active protein powder (One World Whey)

Inconsistent
lemon juice
sprouted nuts and seeds (almonds, sunflower seeds, chia seeds)
some leafy vegetables
raw garlic
raw avocado

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Hypotheses:

Ketosis
Since I began a RAF diet, I would tend to gorge myself on fat which led me to wonder if I have unknowingly induced ketosis? Can anyone confirm whether or not ketosis is characterized by a complete lack of appetite?

Garlic
For the past week I have been eating 2 cloves of raw garlic every day to see if this would cause a reaction among the parasites I harbor. This may seem bizarre but, the only hypothesis I can think of which is related to parasites and the increased intake of garlic would be that my loss of appetite may be controlled by parasites. This seems unlikely but perhaps parasites reacted to the increase intake of garlic by somehow shutting down my appetite in order to stop me from continuing to eat garlic.

Intense Cleansing
Perhaps the loss of appetite is a sign of detoxification?

I'm at loss as to what to do. I want to eat but there is no way I can bring myself to eat. My low energy levels are bothering me but I feel as if I have to be patient and wait for my appetite to naturally return.

Any comments or insight would be greatly appreciated!  -\


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Re: Loss of Appetite
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2011, 11:29:48 pm »
Yeah, I had this problem in the beginning too. I think it had something to do with the fact that I never had eaten so much meat regularly in my life.
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Re: Loss of Appetite
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2011, 11:46:36 pm »
And how did you react/solve the problem?

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« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2011, 12:28:46 am »
Lack of digestive enzymes from a congested bile duct/gallbladder/liver was the problem. I'm doing liver flushes and taking herbal bile thinners. It has been working for me.
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Re: Loss of Appetite
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2011, 02:25:42 am »
Have you thought that you're maybe eating more calories than you actually need? I mean fat, meat, yolks, that's some quite calorie-dense food, it may seem like you're eating a little but it's actually a lot. Measure and check how much calories you have per day (if you haven't already).

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« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2011, 02:45:47 am »
I can understand your concern, but before my appetite was completely lost I was eating a small amount of food:

1 raw egg yolk
1 piece of fruit
water
maybe a cup's worth of raw fat (less than 1 lb)
a cup of raw muscle/organ meat (less than 1lb)

I was eating nowhere near the amounts that are regularly reported here (2 lbs of raw muscle meat and 1 lb of raw fat). In light of this, I would argue it isn't the amount of food that I was eating that caused the loss of appetite. Because my weight is still low for my height (I'm 5'11" tall and weigh less than 150 lbs), I believe I was eating a small amount of food.

But then again, for my size, I could have been eating too much. From my observations, it didn't seem like I was.

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Re: Loss of Appetite
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2011, 02:53:06 am »
So 1 lb of fat (if it is 100% fat) is 450grams * 9 calories = ~4000 calories.

Do you seriously need that many calories per day (from fat)? I wouldn't think so, given your weight is 68kg. This is exactly how much I weigh too and I eat 2000-2500 calories per day. Now, I'm not that active, but I wouldn't think you're that active either if fat makes such a big percent of your calories.

Furthermore, are you sure you're getting enough vitamins and minerals in your diet? Somehow I don't think that raw fat is so abundant in micronutrients.

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Re: Loss of Appetite
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2011, 07:43:30 am »
Are you sure you're getting enough vitamins and minerals in your diet? Somehow I don't think that raw fat is so abundant in micronutrients.

What do you recommend to ensure adequate vitamin and mineral intake? I try to eat organ meats as much as possible.

So 1 lb of fat (if it is 100% fat) is 450grams * 9 calories = ~4000 calories.

Do you seriously need that many calories per day (from fat)? I wouldn't think so, given your weight is 68kg. This is exactly how much I weigh too and I eat 2000-2500 calories per day. Now, I'm not that active, but I wouldn't think you're that active either if fat makes such a big percent of your calories.

I didn't state that I was eating one pound, but about one cup of fat.

Diagnosis

I don't know what was wrong with me but I got into a weird mental slump and convinced myself I wasn't hungry. However, I think part of the problem was that I was eating too much indigestible fat; all I had was this chalky fat that seemed to clog up my digestion, which in turn slowed my bowel movements and then affected my mental and physical state.

Other changes I've made to my diet:

1. Returned to eating smaller meals rather than one huge midday meal
2. Cut the amount of daily sugars and carbs (in the form of fruits and honey)


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Re: Loss of Appetite
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2011, 10:37:31 am »
Loss of hunger is natural.
It happens.
Your body knows.
Listen well and learn from your body.
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Re: Loss of Appetite
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2011, 04:29:02 pm »
At 5'11" 150lbs is quite low... You might want to do some heavy exercise. This triggers hunger. It also increases your active mass (all tissues other than fat). More active mass requires more cals thus will trigger additional hunger. Diet higher in cals are also higher in micronutrients, that is if the make up of the diet doen't change.

You might want to drink some kefir or eat liver to up your B-vitamin intake. Low levels of b-vitamins cause loss of appetite since your body needs those vits to proces the food you eat.

Drinking a very strong herbal tea made from mint and rosemary is an appetite booster.
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Re: Loss of Appetite
« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2011, 04:44:50 pm »
Are you sick of something?
You may want to tell us if you are sick of something and using raw paleo diet to cure your disease.
It's different that way.
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Re: Loss of Appetite
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2011, 06:59:02 pm »
Go on few days juice fasting then introduce eggs fish meat to your diet again try white meat I had something like that in the past

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Re: Loss of Appetite
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2011, 08:36:24 pm »
Are you sick of something?
You may want to tell us if you are sick of something and using raw paleo diet to cure your disease.
It's different that way.


As far as I know, I'm sick of nothing besides some of the usual culprits produced from a poor diet in the past.


Go on few days juice fasting then introduce eggs fish meat to your diet again try white meat I had something like that in the past

I may experiment with intermittent fasting in the future, but for now I prefer to build up a healthy foundation before I begin fasting. Thank you for the tip, though.

I suppose that rather than making a plan I should just listen to my body more carefully in the future. If I'm hungry, then eat; if not, then don't eat! The only problem is it's too simple for a modern person to understand or appreciate!  :P

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Re: Loss of Appetite
« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2011, 08:41:16 pm »
What colour is the top of your tongue?
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Re: Loss of Appetite
« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2011, 01:34:15 am »
My tongue is usually a light colored pink or red, and the top is generally white. It seems as if covered by a film that is concentrated near the rear of my tongue.

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Re: Loss of Appetite
« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2011, 03:09:36 am »
I just wrote up a reply and then lost it l)  Here we go again  ;D

It is a bit difficult to diagnose when you are separated by a computer however...

Ayurveda says that a white coating on your tongue indicates undigested food (ama) is in your system. You can scrape your tongue with a tongue scraper or an upside down spoon but don't tear you tongue off  ;D I suggest this first thing in the morning for anyone.

Think of your digestion as being a fire (a chemical reaction after all is simply a slow fire) If you throw too much food, especially heavy food like fat on the fire it will tend to extinguish it, thus it will not digest and end up going further down to the intestines where some of it may be absorbed and show up as Ama in the system.

@ 5'11" & 150 pounds you are probably some variety of vata. Typically vatas do better with a number of small meals rather than 3 biggies. Monomeals are probably a bit better.

1 cup of fat sounds a bit much if eaten all at once particularly.

As you and others have suggested let your taste buds be your guide, eat slowly and pay attention so that you do not override the stop signal that your body gives out.

Vatas tend to do better with light exercise although it doesn't stop me, but I don't like really heavy stuff. However be sure to take a 10 to 20 minute walk after you eat a meal.

If your appetite still isn't working and you are not under pressure (stress) then try this:

Take a pinch of salt,
pinch of fresh ginger ground up,
few drops of fresh lemon juice,
mix them together,
Chew it up,
wait a half a minute and
then eat.

That will get your digestion off to a roaring start.
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Re: Loss of Appetite
« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2011, 03:21:28 am »
One other thing is that the position of the discolouration on the tongue is also an indicator of where in the body that the ama is located. I loaned out my reference book "Ayurveda The Science Of Self Healing" by Dr Vasant Lad or I would find out exactly the position. However it's more important to get to the cause (low digestive fire) than to worry over details.

There are other sites in your body, including the pulse that can tell you same thing.

Other colours of the tongue such as yellow, deep red, brown are also indicators of things gone awry.

One other thing, are you constipated?
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« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2011, 05:09:31 am »
I've attached a photo of my tongue. My tongue has been this way for quite some time and I've done various things to try to solve the digestion issues but without much consistency or good results.

Yes: I would say I experience both indigestion and am constipated. Before eating raw meat, my constipation was much worse. Raw meats has helped a bit with my indigestion but results have not been consistently good. Because I eat one large meal of meat in the morning, I will have one large bowel movement per day.

I have noticed that I crave fat; I love the flavor and texture. This is perhaps due to my stint with veganism that crippled my stores and intake of fat. However, I have the tendency to overeat fat at times and then my digestion feels extinguished (without the necessary fire to process food).

Lean meat, on the other hand, seems to travel through my system fairly well; I have gotten better digestion and bowel movements when eating predominantly lean red meat or fish.

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I've tried fasting as a means to allow my digestion to "cool down", but it seems that the bacteria of my gut must be near extinction. Even resting my gut didn't seem to help much in the past.

I recently purchased a probiotic and will begin taking capsules today.
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Re: Loss of Appetite
« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2011, 05:14:44 am »
if you suspect low gut flora i would strongly recommend raw milk kefir. Much stronger probioic than those dry powder capsules. I have a history of constipation but havent had any since starting kefir.
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Re: Loss of Appetite
« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2011, 05:53:30 am »
The kefir suggestion is a great idea. You can make your own which is much better. Just put a teaspoon or two of raw honey in the raw milk, shake it to mix it in and put it on top of the refrigerator overnight. In the summer there will be enough heat to work it. The honey flavour is just a bonus plus the bacteria is perfect to make the kefir.

Try high meat also.

Your tongue is in very good shape on the outer portion with ama on the inner portion. Just guessing but if my memory serves me that means ama is on the last part of the GI Tract, the vata section. Overall it's not that unusual BTW.

Your intestines and downstream are the vata portions of the body, so if you are prone to have issues there it may bring on anxiety, indigestion, constipation, diarrhoea, nervous energy,

Fat is good for you, just eat is slower, and less at each meal, maybe try another type of animal fat or butter.

Raw meat diets are especially good for vata types because the meat is the opposite of vata in taste and texture. Being a vegan would not be great for you and being a raw vegan would be disastrous.

Fasting helps to burn up residues left behind with incomplete digestion.

Try the recipe I gave you re the ginger salt and lemon. It is like throwing barbecue starter fluid on your gut. Sour/salty/pungent gets the fire going.
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Re: Loss of Appetite
« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2011, 06:19:45 am »
Alright, tomorrow morning I will try your recommendation before eating.

I have access to raw honey and kefir grains where I am, but not raw milk. I shall continue taking the probiotic supplements I purchased.

Thank you for all your recommendations!  :D

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Re: Loss of Appetite
« Reply #21 on: June 21, 2011, 08:18:00 am »
I shall continue taking the probiotic supplements I purchased.



If this works for you, I would be interested to know what you're taking.  I've tried a couple, but they made me bloated so I stopped after couple of days.  I've just been eating really aged meat to try to help my flora.


The kefir suggestion is a great idea. You can make your own which is much better. Just put a teaspoon or two of raw honey in the raw milk, shake it to mix it in and put it on top of the refrigerator overnight. In the summer there will be enough heat to work it. The honey flavour is just a bonus plus the bacteria is perfect to make the kefir.


can you explain this again?.... 1-2 tsp honey in raw milk left outside fridge = kefir?   do you mean with kefir grains too?  and how long?


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Re: Loss of Appetite
« Reply #22 on: June 21, 2011, 08:19:21 am »
i forgot to add.. the more organ meats i eat, the less appetite i have for the next few days.  do you eat a lot organ meat?

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« Reply #23 on: June 21, 2011, 08:38:39 am »
can you explain this again?.... 1-2 tsp honey in raw milk left outside fridge = kefir?   do you mean with kefir grains too?  and how long?
The recipe is that simple. Just honey and milk. By the morning the honey has dissolved and you have a delicately sweetened kefir. You could also use pasteurized milk although I've never tried. I got the idea from Aajonus. He says there are bacteria in the honey that make it turn but other bacteria that prevent it from going weird.

Overnight works for us in the summer, but in the winter with the cooler house temperature it takes a day or two. The refrigerator has cooling coils on the back of it (not paleo) to transfer the heat out of the fridge. This heat flows uphill and you just arrange the Mason jar or whatever to take advantage of it.

When we made yogurt we used to heat the milk to boiling cool to 46 degrees C add the yogurt then put a towel around it and put it over the fridge. Works like a charm.

Kefir grains are another method, with an added degree of complication. However some like that.

You can also get kefir bacteria from one of the suppliers at a health food store. That is an expensive option I tried.
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Re: Loss of Appetite
« Reply #24 on: June 21, 2011, 08:49:32 am »
The recipe is that simple. Just honey and milk.


nice. did you ever try this with cream or butter?

 

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