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Fruit hurting your health? Try mineral supplements
« on: June 01, 2011, 11:48:59 am »
Like many of you, I have had my share of health problems with fruit, mainly sore teeth and anxiety attacks. However, besides eating only high-quality fruit (please see my sticky thread in this forum about Brix and health), I have found that supplementing with bone meal and healing clays like Terramin to be VERY helpful if reducing these problems.

I have found that taking bone meal or clay with the fruit is very helpful, particularly with sore teeth. I will often have 1/4 teaspoon of bone meal after every 2-3 fruits, or even between every fruit. Some people are not suiting to a VLC or ZC diet, and I find this an excellent way, along with choosing high-quality fruit, to avoid the strange health problems that fruits often seem to cause.

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Re: Fruit hurting your health? Try mineral supplements
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2011, 05:14:00 pm »
do you make your own bonemeal? Or do you use a commercial one that is prob heat treated?

I've sore teeth sometimes. my teeth are very healthy and strong (zero cavities). At night some of them are painfull when I bite down. Its gone in the morning. Not brushing my teeth with toothpaste helps.
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Re: Fruit hurting your health? Try mineral supplements
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2011, 07:38:11 pm »
Pics of your bone meal and fruit?
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Re: Fruit hurting your health? Try mineral supplements
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2011, 12:01:04 pm »
do you make your own bonemeal? Or do you use a commercial one that is prob heat treated?

I've sore teeth sometimes. my teeth are very healthy and strong (zero cavities). At night some of them are painfull when I bite down. Its gone in the morning. Not brushing my teeth with toothpaste helps.

I use a commercial brand.  I would probably be better off making my own, but I don't think that the minerals are very damaged by the heat. They're basically rocks.

I'll try to take some pics soon.

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« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2011, 02:32:44 pm »
I use a commercial brand.  I would probably be better off making my own, but I don't think that the minerals are very damaged by the heat. They're basically rocks.

I'll try to take some pics soon.
the advantage of bonmeal over rock powders is that the minerals are organicly bound. not sure if that advantage remain after heat treatment
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« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2011, 10:03:54 pm »
the advantage of bonmeal over rock powders is that the minerals are organicly bound. not sure if that advantage remain after heat treatment

I agree, it might be worth experimenting with raw bone meal, just to see if I can tell a difference in my health.

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« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2011, 02:22:00 am »
Let us know. I might try it too. I mean i'm throwing away lots of it after I get the marrow out.
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Re: Fruit hurting your health? Try mineral supplements
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2011, 10:57:27 am »
Like many of you, I have had my share of health problems with fruit, mainly sore teeth and anxiety attacks.
I get the sore teeth too, from fruits and centrifuged "raw" honey (but not raw fermented honey). Do you have any idea what causes it? It can occur rather quickly, even while I'm eating the food. Rather puzzling.

People have posted about it elsewhere too:

Fruit and sore teeth
http://www.runnersworld.co.uk/forum/forummessages.asp?dt=&UTN=113786&last=1&V=1&SP=

Day One - Sore Teeth? - Advice Needed!
Posted by Tricia on June 19, 2010
http://www.30bananasaday.com/profiles/blogs/day-one-sore-teeth-advice

Sore teeth/gums
Posted by: Veggie_Musician
Date: July 10, 2007 01:32PM

rand - Fast for sore teeth / small cavity?
http://mipalo.net/cgi-bin/rawer.pl?thread=100017384&mode=lowfi

One thing commonly cited is acidic fruits. I'll try to notice which fruits cause it more for me.
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Re: Fruit hurting your health? Try mineral supplements
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2011, 11:19:26 am »
I get the sore teeth too, from fruits and centrifuged "raw" honey (but not raw fermented honey). Do you have any idea what causes it?

With the fruit, I'd just say the fruit acids.  With the raw honey, I don't know...I have experienced it with honey, too.

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« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2011, 11:38:51 am »
Honey is acidic too, but then that wouldn't explain why I don't notice it with the fermented kind.
>"When some one eats an Epi paleo Rx template and follows the rules of circadian biology they get plenty of starches when they are available three out of the four seasons." -Jack Kruse, MD
>"I recommend 20 percent of calories from carbs, depending on the size of the person" -Ron Rosedale, MD (in other words, NOT zero carbs) http://preview.tinyurl.com/6ogtan
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Re: Fruit hurting your health? Try mineral supplements
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2011, 03:17:25 am »
Honey is acidic too, but then that wouldn't explain why I don't notice it with the fermented kind.

Is the fermented kind alcohol-y?  Maybe the alcohol numbs the nerves in the tooth. I'm just guessing.

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« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2011, 03:40:07 am »
Sore teeth can be caused by trigger points ('knots') in some of the jaw muscles.

If this is the cause, then a food which changes the level of overall muscle tension, changes the body chemistry somehow etc could make these points a bit more active and bring on the soreness.

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« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2011, 07:52:16 am »
Is the fermented kind alcohol-y?  Maybe the alcohol numbs the nerves in the tooth. I'm just guessing.
No, it contains only trace alcohol at most per the Really Raw people and other sources on raw fermented honey and it has no alcohol taste or effects. You might be thinking of mead, which is an alcoholic beverage made from honey. Raw fermented honey is not exactly the same thing and typically has much less alcohol (less than 1%). It's illegal in the USA to sell any product to minors that contains more than trace alcohol.

Sore teeth can be caused by trigger points ('knots') in some of the jaw muscles.
I don't have sore jaw muscles and there's no change in how my jaws feel when my teeth become sore or the soreness goes away.

Thanks for trying, folks. It's a puzzler.
>"When some one eats an Epi paleo Rx template and follows the rules of circadian biology they get plenty of starches when they are available three out of the four seasons." -Jack Kruse, MD
>"I recommend 20 percent of calories from carbs, depending on the size of the person" -Ron Rosedale, MD (in other words, NOT zero carbs) http://preview.tinyurl.com/6ogtan
>Finding a diet you can tolerate is not the same as fixing what's wrong. -Tim Steele
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Re: Fruit hurting your health? Try mineral supplements
« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2011, 01:55:30 pm »
I will make my own bone meal using a file, and will chew on a bit from time to time.

I wont eat any fruit, but I do drink lemon water with a couple of eggs to keep hydrated. I think the minerals in the eggs help maintain good electrolyte balance
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« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2011, 04:15:44 pm »
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I don't have sore jaw muscles and there's no change in how my jaws feel when my teeth become sore or the soreness goes away.

It doesn't work exactly like that. You wouldn't necessarily notice sore jaw muscles or a change in how they feel etc. Good luck with it anyway though.

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« Reply #15 on: June 07, 2011, 07:11:50 pm »
I will make my own bone meal using a file, and will chew on a bit from time to time.

I wont eat any fruit, but I do drink lemon water with a couple of eggs to keep hydrated. I think the minerals in the eggs help maintain good electrolyte balance

I was told many years ago by a dentist not to drink lemon water as the acidity can eat away the tooth enamel, causing increasing sensitivity as it thins. My enamel is very worn over my molars and a little dentyne is exposed in places, which makes them very sensitive (mainly from chewing because a lot of my teeth don't meet so a few teeth have been overused!!!). Anyway, can barely tolerate any acidic fruits - avoid pineapple, strawberries, raspberries, and limit citrus and tomatoes and sour apples. But anything too sweet also triggers the sensitivity, so honey I hardly use either. It seems that if I go through a stressful period, the sensitivity is worse, so the trigger point theory may have some validation. Especially sinsce if I am stressed, experiencing neck and shoulder tension, and then eat acidic fruit - wham, it triggers off a tension headache which seems to come straight from sensitive tooth. All connected. Green smoothies made with lots of greens, a few bananas and a little coconut oil very soothing and healing. Chewing beef fat also soothing.
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« Reply #16 on: June 08, 2011, 06:26:05 am »
I dont have problems with lemon juice eatting away my teeth because I have learned how to channel it down my throat without touching my teeth.

Of course if you swish it around in your mouth or chew on lemon flesh you will get erosion.
I don't claim that lemon water with eggs and high meat works well for everyone, but for some reason it seems good for me.
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« Reply #17 on: June 08, 2011, 11:02:00 am »
So acidic and highly sweet fruit and honey aggravate stress, which triggers knots in the jaw that aren't necessarily noticed, which triggers tooth pain--do I have that right?

I do find that raw suet cleans teeth nicely, leaving them feeling polished, and it does seem to produce a mild feeling of well being, especially early on when I first started consuming it.
>"When some one eats an Epi paleo Rx template and follows the rules of circadian biology they get plenty of starches when they are available three out of the four seasons." -Jack Kruse, MD
>"I recommend 20 percent of calories from carbs, depending on the size of the person" -Ron Rosedale, MD (in other words, NOT zero carbs) http://preview.tinyurl.com/6ogtan
>Finding a diet you can tolerate is not the same as fixing what's wrong. -Tim Steele
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« Reply #18 on: June 08, 2011, 01:56:59 pm »
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So acidic and highly sweet fruit and honey aggravate stress, which triggers knots in the jaw that aren't necessarily noticed, which triggers tooth pain--do I have that right?

Not necessarily stress. Anything that increases haptic tension - the overall level of tension in the muscles. But yes, sounds right. Knots are not made overnight, but they can be more or less active depending on different factors.

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Re: Fruit hurting your health? Try mineral supplements
« Reply #19 on: June 08, 2011, 05:58:57 pm »
So acidic and highly sweet fruit and honey aggravate stress, which triggers knots in the jaw that aren't necessarily noticed, which triggers tooth pain--do I have that right?

I do find that raw suet cleans teeth nicely, leaving them feeling polished, and it does seem to produce a mild feeling of well being, especially early on when I first started consuming it.

Yes, I have found this since going onto raw meat. I put the suet in a bowl over hot water to soften it, then eat it - very soothing to teeth and emotionally as well.
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