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Re: Ron Paul for President of the USA
« Reply #300 on: December 23, 2011, 12:40:39 am »
Now now Tyler,
Relax.

A lot of people like the song. A considerable amount less dislike it. Like maybe six. The two authors you submitted, yourself and maybe three others.  ;D ;)

What difference does it make?

I agree that John Lennon was no angel and so forth and he was an interesting combination as he was obviously a capitalist. John Lennon albums were not free and from what I gather he elected not to support his first wife and child despite his obvious wealth and he obviously had "issues", but we all have issues. Beethoven etc had issues. I don't particularly like Elvis, but he had one "H E double hockeystick" of a voice.

The song is probably one of the most identifiable songs in the world whether you like it or not.

One of the larger themes of the race is peace. American soldiers want it. Middle Easterners want it. People all over the freakin globe want it and there is a small but determined group of people who are making a ton of money off of it not hapnin'.

People on the left are the ones that need to be wooed.

Any politician worth their salt knows there are four types of voters and only one of those is the prize.

The first two types are the people who would vote Democrat/Republican, even if it was uncovered that their candidate was a child porn addicted, heroin injecting, pedophile with a history of murder, rape and incest.

The next useless type is those that don't vote, supposing they are choosing between God and the Devil.

The only ones that a smart "politico" chases are the undecided, the great unwashed masses who sit in great heaps looking up and trying to decide which choice is worse, generally. These people might be John Lennonites, borderline Commies, borderline psychos, who knows. They may like to sway to oldies songs or make waves at football games. They are the only people that should concern a hopeful like Ron.

Whatever it takes.
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Re: Ron Paul for President of the USA
« Reply #301 on: December 23, 2011, 03:58:51 am »
Tyler that wasn't the official video, someone removed the audio and replaced it with that song because they didn't like the original voice-over...
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Re: Ron Paul for President of the USA
« Reply #302 on: December 23, 2011, 04:37:58 am »
Tyler that wasn't the official video, someone removed the audio and replaced it with that song because they didn't like the original voice-over...
  Ooops, my error.
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Re: Ron Paul for President of the USA
« Reply #303 on: December 23, 2011, 09:11:11 am »
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Milking It: Ron Paul Wants Choice on Raw Milk
Dec 15, 2011 6:00am
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/12/milking-it-ron-paul-wants-choice-on-raw-milk/
I don't drink milk, but I endorse this message. I'm fed up with "experts" telling us what we can eat and which candidates we get to hear in debates. Both major US parties are dominated by establishment jerks who think they know better than I do for my own body (mainly because of the money funneled to them to spew the crap they do).

When they talk about how they know what's best for us and how they're "saving" us from the perils of raw milk, I feel like voting for Tyler for dictator to string up those ignorant assholes.

I think the Republican establishment is unaware of how much libertarian sentiment has been growing, with the growth of the Internet and the educational experience of violent Islamic fundamentalists and the 2008 financial debacle--both of which Ron Paul warned us about. I'm hoping that a victory by Ron in Iowa will start to change this, but entrenched elites tend to be slow to change.
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Re: Ron Paul for President of the USA
« Reply #304 on: December 23, 2011, 10:29:23 am »
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I think the Republican establishment is unaware of how much libertarian sentiment has been growing

they are aware of it very well.  but it is still marginal to have much impact on republican establishment which has control of the money.  in the future - maybe, but not now.  just like growing socialist sentiment on the far left who are so furious of Obama not bending left enough.  most of them would love to primary Obama, they just don't have the money.

two parties are not enough to cover all spectrum.  we really have 4 main distinct flavors: far-right/libertarian, center-right, center-left, and far-left/socialist.

no one is willing to break off form the establishment because it will guarantee victory for another party.
everyone still remembers 2000 elections where some say Nader's 3% gave the victory to Bush.

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Re: Ron Paul for President of the USA
« Reply #305 on: December 23, 2011, 10:47:59 am »
they are aware of it very well.  but it is still marginal to have much impact on republican establishment which has control of the money.  in the future - maybe, but not now.
Yup, like I said, slow to change; relatively speaking, in modern terms, of course, and to their detriment. To a Stone Ager this all would be blindingly fast, and as I age the change does seem to accelerate.

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two parties are not enough to cover all spectrum.  we really have 4 main distinct flavors: far-right/libertarian, center-right, center-left, and far-left/socialist.
I think that might be changed by the Internet too. Before the Internet, libertarianism could be easily dismissed. Just as products are increasingly becoming customized to niche markets, I suspect political parties will be too. I think this libertarian breakthrough may be just the cusp of the change. This isn't the fault of Ron Paul or the libertarians, it's a societal change, and that's what Rush Limbaugh and other dinosaurs don't understand (and I'm old enough to be a dinosaur too, in this fast-changing age--both Rush and I will be cast aside at some point, as will everything that isn't "new and improved").

Libertarians tried to warn establishment Republicans of all this, but they refused to listen and instead tried to dismiss Ron and all libertarians as "kooks" and "nuts." The chamelion, Romney, may still win, or maybe Perry will even regenerate, but the handwriting is on the wall. It's only a matter of time. An Internet society will become increasingly libertarian and segmented/customized. If the technology progresses, then so will this change and other unforeseen changes.

For example, traditional "values" and religion will become increasingly irrelevant and anyone who continues to espouse them (and some will, as there is a minority reaction to most actions) will become increasingly marginalized as reactionary kooks, even within the Republican party--especially if the fundamentalist Islamists continue to bomb people.

Romney's pretty sharp/cunning, so I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't change yet again and incorporate some of this libertarian boom into his own campaign. Never underestimate a chamelion. As a matter of fact, I predict that at some point Romney will adopt a more libertarian slant. He'll do whatever he thinks is necessary to win.

The most establishment of all Republicans has endorsed Romney...beware--don't count out or underestimate this Romney guy, libertarians:
Elder Bush backs Romney, snubs Perry, is no Gingrich fan
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16310753 The elder Bush is showing his blue-blood, ivory-tower Yale roots and abandoning his brief Texas down-home pretensions:
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"I'm not his biggest advocate," [George H. W. Bush] said, describing how Mr Gingrich withdrew his support after Mr Bush reneged on a campaign pledge of no new taxes, during a recession.
Ah, crap. It looks like the establishment have already dug up some more dirt on Ron:
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In ad for newsletter, Ron Paul forecast "race war," (In ad for newsletter, Ron Paul forecast "race war," http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/sns-rt-us-usa-campaign-paul-plotstre7bm033-20111222,0,3766303.story).
You knew that the establishment were going to try to find something like this. This is ambrosia for the Romney camp. They had to dig deep, but the establishment media will love this and try to destroy Ron Paul over it. This is the fear-mongering the establishment have perfected to ensure their continued domination. I can hear it now: "Don't vote for Ron, he'll bring on this race war he predicted. Stick with the safe, sensible, Romney. Sure, he doesn't have any core values, but at least he isn't as kooky and DANGEROUS as Paul." They're clearly hoping that this will be the destroying revelation, a la the Cain revelations, that enable their favored establishment candidate (Romney) to rise above the plebian sludge and accept the predestined crown. Good grief, I hope my worst nightmare, of a Romney nomination, isn't coming true, but it seems almost inevitable, with the powers that be supporting him. If only the rest of the nation were intimately familiar with Romney's behavior in Massachusetts.

It's all so predictable, yet still disappointing. Let's hope that the libertarian trend overcomes this establishment attack, and others to come.
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Re: Ron Paul for President of the USA
« Reply #306 on: December 23, 2011, 11:52:31 am »

everyone still remembers 2000 elections where some say Nader's 3% gave the victory to Bush.

Some say?  The difference between Bush and Gore in Florida was only about 1000 votes.  Nader took waaay more votes from Gore than from Bush.  Basically, Ralph Nader is why we spent 8 years in Iraq.

Thanks Ralph. 

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Re: Ron Paul for President of the USA
« Reply #307 on: December 23, 2011, 12:00:16 pm »
8 years in Iraq, under both Bush and Obama (who promised to get us out but did the opposite, adding more troops early on and increasing our commitment to the insanity). It looks like Iraq is descending yet again into civil war (surprise, surprise /end sarcasm), and the instigators acted the very next day after our last troops left (talk about chutzpah). How I hope that our troops will not be sent back in, yet I suspect they will be. Oh please may I be wrong this time.

I will vote for whoever seems most believable about keeping us out of foreign civil wars, reducing our debt, ending moral hazard, and backing our currency with something more tangible than politicians' promises. Granted, there's no guarantee that any politician will follow through on any of this, but at least Ron Paul says he will try.
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Re: Ron Paul for President of the USA
« Reply #308 on: December 23, 2011, 01:24:46 pm »
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I will vote for whoever seems most believable about keeping us out of foreign civil wars, reducing our debt, ending moral hazard, and backing our currency with something more tangible than politicians' promises.

foreign civil wars - globalization is the driver.  world is becoming much smaller and tighter place.  US has lots of vested interests in many places.   US will surely not repeat another Iraq due to cost.  They'll simply change the tactics but they will never abandon their interests.

reducing our debt - that's what every politician is promising.  the pyramid is so enormous now it is next to impossible to shrink it.  the good news - it could be very long time before it'll collapse.  but you can hedge yourself with gold, weapons, and land.

ending moral hazard - morals and governments do not co-exist (yet).  there are several exceptions but they are so specific they don't apply for general population.

backing our currency with something more tangible - trust is the only thing that backs up leading currencies.  they can't be backed up by any other physical means, not gold, not silver, not anything.  if you don't trust paper money you should buy non-perishable assets such as metals and land.  there is no other way around it.


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Re: Ron Paul for President of the USA
« Reply #309 on: December 23, 2011, 05:35:10 pm »
I have been watching a number of youtube videos of Ron Paul, mostly concerning the 2008/2012 elections. The other candidates came off looking like retards with psychopathic mania towards violence. When asked what they would do concerning a stand-off in which some small boats made some minor  threatening moves towards a major US naval vessel(in which incident the then President ordered the captain to remain passive), they all grudgingly stated they would remain passive in the same situation, but made it clear that even one tiny step beyond that would result in Armageddon of some sort. Ron Paul wisely pointed out that any attack would be  a shameful over-reaction and would just lead to retaliation and worsening relations etc.


What currently makes me very annoyed is that the American Establishment have been b*llsh*tting us about the supposed benefits for Middle-Easterners and us of going to war against Iraq and Afghanistan, but now Iraq is tearing itself apart again as soon as the US troops left(re recent bombings etc.), Afghanistan will erupt as soon as the US troops leave there too, and, worst of all, the Christians in the Middle-East are being hunted down as they are wrongly seen as being pro-Western. That last bit of genocide should get the American Establishment figures responsible  executed.
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Re: Ron Paul for President of the USA
« Reply #310 on: December 23, 2011, 05:51:29 pm »
I see that the more dishonest US news-reporters still love to trot out the lie that Ahmadinejad supposedly wanted to wipe Israel off the map....

As regards the race-war propaganda claim, I'm not so sure that will hurt his chances. A number of blacks seem to be big Ron Paul supporters, judging from youtube. It's mainly because Ron Paul is against the war on drugs which has led to the incarceration of many black men in the US.


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Re: Ron Paul for President of the USA
« Reply #311 on: December 23, 2011, 08:24:14 pm »
...backing our currency with something more tangible - trust is the only thing that backs up leading currencies.  they can't be backed up by any other physical means, not gold, not silver, not anything.
Check out Singapore's currency:
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"All issued Singapore dollar currency in circulation is fully backed by international assets to maintain public confidence.[3] The foreign reserves officially stand at over US$230 billion - as of May 2011. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore_dollar"

I see that the more dishonest US news-reporters still love to trot out the lie that Ahmadinejad supposedly wanted to wipe Israel off the map....
The masses of Americans unfortunately tend to be rather gullible when it comes to the demonizing of foreign scapegoats.
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Re: Ron Paul for President of the USA
« Reply #312 on: December 23, 2011, 11:18:00 pm »
First they IGNORE you (Ron Paul)

Then they ATTACK you (Ron Paul)

(As Ron Paul is now the Front Runner in Iowa.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kSaQveEDitk#!

Ron Paul being attacked as a racist.

From my point of view as a non-american, I do not see any racism in this expose.  For me, this is not racism, this was merely reporting observation of apparent facts.

So does this mean statement of racial facts is being "racist" in the USA?
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Re: Ron Paul for President of the USA
« Reply #313 on: December 24, 2011, 12:40:53 am »
You're thinking of Schopenhauer's famous quotation:- "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."
"During the last campaign I knew what was happening. You know, they mocked me for my foreign policy and they laughed at my monetary policy. No more. No more.
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« Reply #314 on: December 24, 2011, 01:02:30 am »
two parties are not enough to cover all spectrum.  we really have 4 main distinct flavors: far-right/libertarian, center-right, center-left, and far-left/socialist.
Everywhere else in the world it is a fact of life. I noticed on the last ballot there were 5 or 6 candidates -
Liberal
Conservative
Libertarian
New Democrat
Green
Independant
Maybe some others???

In Europe some countries seem to have more.

The party system was very unpopular in the US in the beginning as the original founding fathers saw what it did in Britain and wanted to prevent it. The subsequent leaders fought against it because of the outcome we see nowadays. Hardening of the mental arteries, institutionalized graft, etc.

People do not vote on the candidate or issues but on the party.
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Re: Ron Paul for President of the USA
« Reply #315 on: December 24, 2011, 06:03:55 am »
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Check out Singapore's currency:

Yes, that's because the emission of Singapore dollar is tiny compared to US dollar emission.  There are not enough assets in the world to back US dollar.

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Re: Ron Paul for President of the USA
« Reply #316 on: December 24, 2011, 06:06:05 am »
For anyone not familiar with the Federal Reserve system, here is a link to an author who has written a book on how it came about and what it really was. This jives with what Ron Paul says.
G. Edward Griffin on the Federal Reserve System
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Re: Ron Paul for President of the USA
« Reply #317 on: December 24, 2011, 08:49:03 am »
To His Durdenship:
You're thinking of Schopenhauer's famous quotation:- "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."
Good heavens, man, I already pointed out to you that Schopenhauer didn't say that, remember? That's one of those damnable Internet urban legends--NEVER trust them (please forgive me, they are a pet peeve of mine and they have led me astray as well, at times). Ignorant morons dominate the Internet and mislead everyone (I'm not being elitist--my only claim to being above their level is that I don't accept what they say at face value and recognize that I am ignorant--thanks in part to the example that Socrates, bless him, provided me in high school). See here for a refresher: http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/off-topic/urban-caveman-article/msg24991/#msg24991

The earliest reported source was the General Executive Board Report of the Proceedings of the Biennial Convention of the Amalgamated Clothing Workers of America in 1914. Since that is too unwieldy a source, and since unions are widely hated by capitalists, executive boards are boring and widely regarded as useless, and brilliant philosophers highly respected, it's not surprising that the quote would be attributed to a respected philosopher who didn't actually originate it. Many quotes get attributed to respected people that didn't actually ever say them. People are generally lazy by nature and it's a lot easier to attribute a quote to some respected famous person (like  Schopenhauer, Shakespeare, Einstein, Confucius, etc.) than take the time to find out who actually said it. I find that the best practice is to assume that every Internet quote is misattributed and look into who actually originated them before quoting.

I love it when Schopenhauer is quoted, when he actually said or wrote it, not mass misconceptions about what he said.

Of course, if you have counter-evidence, I'm all ears and eyes.

To Raw-Al:
Everywhere else in the world it is a fact of life. I noticed on the last ballot there were 5 or 6 candidates -
Liberal
Conservative
Libertarian
New Democrat
Green
Independant
Maybe some others???
Good work, my good man. The Internet will produce more, if my guess is right.
« Last Edit: December 24, 2011, 09:07:24 am by PaleoPhil »
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Re: Ron Paul for President of the USA
« Reply #318 on: December 24, 2011, 09:11:26 am »
Yes, that's because the emission of Singapore dollar is tiny compared to US dollar emission.  There are not enough assets in the world to back US dollar.
Maybe given our current profligacy (and if so, then that is telling), but all sound currencies can be backed by actual assets. Our current currency is backed only by Ponzi promises. If you put more confidence in Signore Ponzi than in hard assets, then, forgive me, shame on you.

if you don't trust paper money you should buy non-perishable assets such as metals and land.  there is no other way around it.
If you know enough to invest in hard assets, then you should know better than to support a fiat currency. If it's good for you, why is it not good for the country?
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>"When some one eats an Epi paleo Rx template and follows the rules of circadian biology they get plenty of starches when they are available three out of the four seasons." -Jack Kruse, MD
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Re: Ron Paul for President of the USA
« Reply #320 on: December 24, 2011, 11:22:01 am »
Black people are so different to my world.

I can understand what they are saying  intellectually if I really pay attention but the tone and change in volume of the speech makes it difficult. Most of the time I think it's a cover.





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Re: Ron Paul for President of the USA
« Reply #321 on: December 24, 2011, 10:41:05 pm »
Rome invaded Gaul, because Gaul had many gold mines.
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Re: Ron Paul for President of the USA
« Reply #322 on: December 25, 2011, 12:29:47 am »
Yeah, and the documentary I saw on that said that Rome invaded because it had developed a large debt and needed to restock its treasury with gold. It appears we've been essentially repeating that history, except with oil as the coveted treasure.

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I'm as white as they come and I understood the black fellow in the video GS posted just fine (though you might have to turn the volume down because of his shouting, heheh), and actually found him to come across as rather sincere, FWIW. Plus, Tyler's post about Ron Paul drawing black support on Youtube despite Paul's newsletter history is rather interesting, though we'll have to see how well that holds up under the barrage of attacks from establishment Republicans and media and if it also holds true in polls and elections.

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« Last Edit: December 25, 2011, 12:51:29 am by PaleoPhil »
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Re: Ron Paul for President of the USA
« Reply #323 on: December 25, 2011, 11:19:23 am »
"War is over if we want it", John Lennon

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Re: Ron Paul for President of the USA
« Reply #324 on: December 26, 2011, 04:43:17 am »
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If you put more confidence in Signore Ponzi than in hard assets, then, forgive me, shame on you.

I don't pay any attention to Singapore currency simply because it is so tiny.

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If you know enough to invest in hard assets, then you should know better than to support a fiat currency. If it's good for you, why is it not good for the country?

I'm perfectly fine with paper money.  It's the only viable alternative.  Remember, for economy to function properly money has to be very liquid, compact, easily divisible into fractions, have relatively long shelf life, and have large enough supply.  Paper money (as legal tender notes) is the only one that fits that requirement.  Paper backed by precious metals has very limited supply not enough for economy to function properly especially in times of globalization.

Inflation is not a problem.  Economies grow the most when inflation is around 2-3%/year, anything outside of that range has negative effect on the economy.

I personally believe in diversification and plan to increase my share of less liquid assets.  But not because I think paper money is bad.

Paper money is the last thing I worry about.  I'm more concern of gross overpopulation and ever shrinking food sources.

 

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