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Re: Ron Paul for President of the USA
« Reply #400 on: December 31, 2011, 07:26:39 am »
It might not take 10 years, but the US is already crippled and will not take much further to take it down, plus other areas like the EU do not have the power that China has, to replace it.
Whatever the date, it will happen some day, as every empire eventually comes to an end (usually by returning to a nation state that mostly minds its own business). Despite the historical record, the ignorant masses in every empire tend to imagine it lasting forever, or at least a millennia or so, and acknowledging the inevitable is often stupidly seen as treachery. I see freeing ourselves of the burden of empire as a blessing rather than a curse, especially with the American form in which we pour money into the satellite states instead of sucking it out of them like the Romans did. Would having their old empires back really make the Romans, Egyptians, Mongols or Germans that much happier, even with the looting and taxing they did? Empire seems like a mixed bag at best.
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Re: Ron Paul for President of the USA
« Reply #401 on: December 31, 2011, 07:36:05 am »
Ah, if only the Roman Empire (or the Ancient Greek or  Ancient Persian Empires for that matter) had never gone under! I have always loved those 3 cultures, far more so than any other one, past or present.
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Re: Ron Paul for President of the USA
« Reply #402 on: December 31, 2011, 07:37:14 am »
Huh? Don't those cultures still exist? Granted, they've changed over time, but they would have changed in some ways even if they had remained empires.

Thanks for mentioning the Persian Empire, which was a cosmopolitan empire with advanced learning and culture and relatively high levels of religious and cultural tolerance for its time (see examples below). That reminds me that if Ron Paul is elected and the USA stops the bellicose rhetoric and economic punishing of Iran, it will likely lead to the Iranian people becoming more pro-USA (and surprisingly many already are rather pro-USA) and undercut the current Iranian regime's using of us as a whipping boy to stir up the hardliners and possibly even lead to the downfall of that regime, as people will be more likely to support alternative leaders who will focus more on the economy and other internal matters.

If Ron Paul is elected, I predict that Iran will tilt back more toward its Persian roots and away from the recent Arab-inspired Islamic aberration.

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Cyrus [the Great] was a skillful ruler. He adopted a policy of toleration toward the people he conquered. For example, he allowed them to speak their own languages, practice their own religions, and follow their own ways of life. He also declared the first Charter of Human Rights.

The Origins and Impacts of the Persian Empire
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There were three main premises in the decrees of the Cyrus Cylinder: the political formulization of racial, linguistic, and religious equality, slaves and all deported peoples were to be allowed to return to home; and all destroyed temples were to be restored.[1]

In 1971, the Cyrus Cylinder was described as the world’s first charter of human rights,[1, 2, 3, 4] and it was translated into all six official U.N. languages.[4] A replica of the cylinder is kept at the United Nations Headquarters in New York City in the second floor hallway, between the Security Council and the Economic and Social Council chambers.[5]

Passages in the text of cylinder have been interpreted as expressing Cyrus’ respect for humanity, and as promoting a form of religious tolerance and freedom; and as result of his generous and humane policies, Cyrus gained the overwhelming support of his subjects.[6]

History of Iran
The Cyrus the Great Cylinder
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“In 410 AD, during the rule of Yazgard I (399-420), Christians were recognized as a millet, or separate religious community, and were protected as such within the organization of the Sassanid Empire."

The millet system of Yazdagird I, the enlightened rule of other Sassanid kings like Hormizd IV, and the open rule of the Parthians were, in a sense, continuations of a more ancient tradition of interfaith tolerance; established a millennium earlier by Cyrus the Great.

Religious Tolerance in Ancient Persia
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http://kaweah.com/2008/09/23/persian-millets/
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Re: Ron Paul for President of the USA
« Reply #403 on: December 31, 2011, 11:35:10 pm »
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Re: Ron Paul for President of the USA
« Reply #404 on: January 02, 2012, 07:15:57 pm »


Ron Paul Will Win In The End

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Jay Weidner


 

“All truth passes through three stages:
First it is ridiculed;
Second it is violently opposed;
Third, it is accepted as self evident.”
--Arthur Schopenhauer


Ron Paul will win in the end. That’s right. It doesn’t matter anymore how the criminals in charge try to change the vote, or how they conjure lies and attack him and his ideas. None of that is going to work anymore.

Don’t get me wrong. There is no way in hell that Ron Paul will win his quest for the Presidency. The corporate criminals and their toadies in the media will never let that happen. They will do everything they can to squash Ron Paul and his ideas.

Who has the uncanny ability to unite Rush Limbaugh, Rachel Maddow, Dick Morris, Bill Clinton, Sean Hannity, Keith Olbermann, MSNBC, Fox News, CNN, CBS, NBC, ABC, The New York Times, Move On, Media Matters?

Answer: Ron Paul. Why does he unite everyone on the left and right? What is it about Ron Paul that unites the media?

Ron Paul and his movement are a direct result of the Internet. The Internet also showed the thinking people of the world that there is a corporate criminal mafia and it is in charge of everything. It owns the military, the media, the religions, the educational system the banks and most of the major corporations.

This revelation that we are ruled by a small group of corporate criminals is the real fuel behind Ron Paul.

When one carefully deconstructs Ron Paul’s positions one discovers a consistent and focused cohesion. Just underneath the facts and positions that he lays out is the driving reality that we are being run by this small group of criminals. Ron Paul is waaaay too smart to admit this in public. The idea of this criminal cabal is still taboo.

No Ron Paul refuses to actually name the criminals or even admit that they exist. That’s cool. That is a good way to keep your head intact. Look at the last two guys to go after this criminal network; their initials are JFK and RFK. So don’t expect him to be a 911 Truther or speak openly about this group of criminals. That’s asking too much.

But every single one of his positions is designed to obliterate this criminal network. When looking at Ron Paul it is necessary to completely remove your ideology goggles. One of the ways that the Internet is waking us up to is the fact that our ideologies, beliefs and protocols have all been given to us, invented by, this criminal network that now threatens our very existence. Examining his positions it is easy to see that Ron Paul knows and understands who is really ruling us. He has worked it out and his positions are really the only way out of the mess we are in. The criminal network has worked its way into almost every institution that exists. Understanding that it becomes clear that the only way out of the current predicament is too get rid of almost all of the institutions that exist.

That would be schools, militaries, large bloated federal programs, foreign aid and a lot more. These institutions exist almost solely to keep the masses in line and stupefied as to the existence of the criminal cabal. These institutions are not there for the reasons that they claim to but they exist because they are tools of the criminal network. Our schools don’t teach us how to think, but what to think, our military is not there to make us safe, but to invade and steal the possessions of other countries for this criminal network.

Ron Paul articulates positions that, if put into effect, would eventually undermine this criminal network. Once we can remove the shackles of this cabal we will come to understand how much wealth we really have. When that moment comes a lot of our current unsolvable problems will become solvable.

It is beyond imagination to even begin to realize how much of the world’s wealth has been stolen by this criminal network. They have perverted everything, distorting our economies, our cultures, our values, and our spiritual beliefs. They have contaminated everything. It is only through the dissolution of this network can we truly discover what we have and who we are.

Ron Paul understands this perfectly. He is outlining exactly the path that we must collectively take in order to set things right.

Now the divisions will appear. We will soon see who is for getting rid of the criminal cabal and who is for keeping it. Because of the Internet and Ron Paul it will become apparent who really understands what is going on and who does not have a clue. Those people who refuse to join the new media, those people who insist on staying spoon fed by the criminal corporate media will find themselves on the wrong side of history.

At this point Arthur Schopenhauer famous quote on the way ideas progress through a culture needs to be reviewed:

“All truth passes through three stages:
First it is ridiculed;
Second it is violently opposed;
Third, it is accepted as self evident.”


In 2008 the media ridiculed Ron Paul and his positions. Fox News wouldn’t allow him to appear at their Republican Debate resulting in a rain of snowballs coming down on Sean Hannity as he tried to get into the building housing the debate. Fox News reasoned that Ron Paul wasn’t a serious candidate, that he was a joke. Four years later we can see that actually Fox News is an arm of the criminal network and they saw what Ron Paul was doing and it scared them. That is the real reason he was not invited to the debate.

If 2008 was the year of ridicule, 2012 will be the year of violent opposition. The same media that ridiculed Ron Paul also let Barrack Obama have a free ride to the White House. As soon as he got into office Obama, not really understanding the cultural swing, tried to implement old and failed ideas. Even though he ran as the wave of the future he was really just an agent of the past. Obama’s Presidency proved that this criminal network controlled everyone at the top. How else to explain his actions? That realization also fueled Ron Paul’s ascendance.

It is 2012 now and we are moving to phase two of Schopenhauer’s progression of ideas. Now we can see that the corporate criminal class is working overtime to hold power.

Obama invades Libya without a squawk from the formerly ‘anti-war’ Left. Obama signs legislation giving the President the power to assassinate American citizens and no one in the criminal media says a word.

Now they are coming after the Internet. The ‘violently opposed’ segment is now upon us. 2012 is the most dangerous time because a cornered mad dog is the most dangerous. And we are cornering this dog. The establishment, both left and right, would not be so unified in their condemnation of Paul if he and his ideas did not represent a very real threat.

But here’s the thing: Ron Paul has already won. Though they will try to impose a police state on us to stop him, though they will invade other countries without a peep of protest, though they will assassinate and destroy all who oppose them, we should all realize that phase three of Schopenhauer’s progression is still waiting to occur.

When the corporate criminal network and their control of the entire planet become self evident, and that is happening right now, the ideas that Ron Paul is espousing will begin to take hold. As we wake up and see what is really happening, we will also see that there is only one way out of this trap. Then Ron Paul and his ideas will begin to become self-evident.

In four years these ideas will go mainstream. That is a guarantee. Soon it will be vogue to discuss the criminal network and how to get rid of them. They cannot stop what is happening and furthermore - they know it. Their behavior is going to become increasingly bizarre as they are exposed.

Psychopaths think that they are invisible, that no one sees what they are really doing. But the Internet is ripping that curtain back as the entire psychopathic criminal network can be seen in all of its vast ugliness.

We need to get rid of it as fast as possible. It is killing all of us.

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Re: Ron Paul for President of the USA
« Reply #405 on: January 02, 2012, 11:12:21 pm »
What is happening is another Shay's Rebellion..... Paul's rebellion

This was a rebellion 1786-7, (not long after the War of Independence) that happened when the Boston monied class was oppressing the poor with debtor's prison etc and the poor rose up and rebelled. They didn't ultimately win although they came close, but they prevailed ultimately because Washington was dragged out of retirement to come and supervise a proper setting up of government and a Constitution.
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Re: Ron Paul for President of the USA
« Reply #406 on: January 02, 2012, 11:21:27 pm »
No idea if this is accurate, but interesting

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Re: Ron Paul for President of the USA
« Reply #407 on: January 03, 2012, 02:15:40 am »
“All truth passes through three stages:
First it is ridiculed;
Second it is violently opposed;
Third, it is accepted as self evident.”
--Arthur Schopenhauer
Schopenhauer apparently never said that (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Arthur_Schopenhauer#Disputed). This appears to be the original source, and the quote has morphed into multiple versions over the years:

"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. And then they attack you and want to burn you. And then they build monuments to you." --General Executive Board Report and Proceedings, Biennial Convention, Amalgamated Clothing Workers of America (1914)

A union executive board is of course much less impressive and memorable than a famous philosopher, which is probably why the quote was misattributed to Schopenhauer. This was a later modified version of it in the course of the quote's evolution towards the current version:

"First, it is ridiculed; second, it is subject to argument: third, it is accepted." --Earl B. Morgan, in "The Accident Prevention Problem in the Small Shop" in Safety Engineering Vol. 33 (1950), p. 366

Ron Paul is currently in the stage where the critics start taking him seriously and begin arguing/attacking.
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Re: Ron Paul for President of the USA
« Reply #408 on: January 03, 2012, 10:30:23 am »
A bit difficult to hear the interviewer..

Ron Paul uncensored on $9 trillion Fed bailout
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Re: Ron Paul for President of the USA
« Reply #409 on: January 03, 2012, 11:21:43 am »
Raw-al and Tyler,
Do you think Canada and UK are puppet regimes of the US?  Both participated in most of the US-led invasions and bombing raids.

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Re: Ron Paul for President of the USA
« Reply #410 on: January 03, 2012, 09:17:23 pm »
Ron Paul: Iowa Vote Fraud

Ron Paul: Iowa Vote Fraud (continued)

Ron Paul: Iowa Vote Fraud

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Click "Show More" to see what you can do! Iowa Caucus: How to be a vote Monitor, stop secrecy BS: Iowa Caucus How to be a vote Monitor, stop secrecy BS

If Ron Paul has Iowa stolen from him, then violent revolution has become inevitable, as John F. Kennedy warned.

Iowa GOP moving vote-count to 'undisclosed location': to prevent a Ron Paul victory. http://12160.info/profiles/blogs/iowa-gop-moving-vote-count-to-undisclosed-lo...

Threats to disrupt the Iowa Republican caucuses next week have prompted state GOP officials to move the vote tabulation to an "undisclosed location," POLITICO has learned.

to prevent a Ron Paul victory?

IOWA GOP CONTACTS

Republican Party of Iowa
621 E. 9th St.
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515-282-8105 (Office)
515-282-9019 (Fax)

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Threats to disrupt the Iowa Republican caucuses next week have prompted state GOP officials to move the vote tabulation to an "undisclosed location," POLITICO has learned.

The state party has not yet told the campaigns exactly where the returns will be added up, only that it will be off-site from the Iowa GOP's Des Moines headquarters. The 2008 caucus results were tabulated at the state party offices, which sit just a few blocks from the state capitol.

Activist groups including the Occupy movement have indicated that they'll attempt to interrupt rallies in the closing days before next Tuesday's caucuses. MORE

(TLS)- None of the counting is done by networked PC's they ARE DONE BY HAND AND CALCULATOR!! Totally a good reason to move the vote count to a secret location to avoid internet hackers...WTF?! do they think we are small children that they can just fool? Looks like they are planning to steal the vote guys.

Joseph Stalin said "He who votes decides nothing; he who counts the votes decides everything." How true.

Ron Paul Says Watch The Vote
http://youtu.be/5kDzoNyxo8c

Watch the Vote 2012 - Iowa Caucus
http://youtu.be/GeggPSL3gQs

We need people at the 1000+ sites with cameras documenting everything. It would be good to hear the campaign has an office of people on Caucasus night working on this with lawyers ready.

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US: Outraged Popular Movement Occupies Iowa Caucus
http://www.plenglish.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=46...
Washington, Dec 27 (Prensa Latina) The Occupy Wall Street (OWS) movement on Tuesday will begin in Iowa a popular election assembly, a week before the first GOP primaries.

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The Israeli Defense Firm That Tallies The Iowa Caucus -- Christopher Bollyn
http://poorrichards-blog.blogspot.com/2011/12/israeli-defense-firm-that-talli...

(Rense) -- The Iowa caucus is only a few days away and the nation's attention will be directed to the results, which signify the beginning of the U.S. presidential race. But does anyone watch who tallies the results of the Iowa caucus?

The Iowa caucus results were tallied in 2004 by a company that is headed by a man whose company was bought by Elron Electronics, the Israeli defense firm. I suspect that it will be the same this year. Don't expect to see any grassroots political activists doing the tally in Iowa. The Israeli defense establishment takes care of that part of the American "democratic" election process.

Michael Rivero of http://www.whatreallyhappened.com
Watch entire 2011-12-27 broadcast here: Michaelrivero on Justin.tv
Youtube Link: http://youtu.be/KrE15QfbnHA
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Re: Ron Paul for President of the USA
« Reply #411 on: January 03, 2012, 11:01:04 pm »
Raw-al and Tyler,
Do you think Canada and UK are puppet regimes of the US?  Both participated in most of the US-led invasions and bombing raids.
No  idea re Canada, not my country. The problem with the UK is that its own nuclear deterrent is wholly dependent on the US, so the UK government more or less has to lick the US's arse and help the US's war efforts overseas if they want to keep their ability to nuke other countries in defence, even if it is not in the UK's national interest. If Ron Paul won, we would be freed from this warmongering nonsense. As it is, the UK Foreign Office has  had  strong  links for many, many years with the Arab nations, so for the UK to side with Israel is so against the UK's  national interests. Again if Ron Paul won, we could condemn Israel, rather than copying Tony Blair's sick support for Israel's mass-murder of Lebanese civilians in the 2006 bombings.
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Re: Ron Paul for President of the USA
« Reply #412 on: January 04, 2012, 12:53:07 am »
Tuesday has arrived.....Iowa caucuses are today. We'll know by the end of the day how things turn out. The pols have Paul, Romney, & Santorum in a dead heat.

Santorum is claiming Tea Party support has put him in the front running, but I find it difficult to believe that TPers would support a guy with such a record of spending. HUGE spending.
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« Reply #413 on: January 04, 2012, 01:59:07 am »
Raw-al and Tyler,
Do you think Canada and UK are puppet regimes of the US?  Both participated in most of the US-led invasions and bombing raids.
The short answer is no.

The long answer is that it depends on which leader you are talking about.
Here's a link.
http://www.cbc.ca/canadaus/pms_presidents1.html
First of all  The US apparently spends approximately 50% and change of the total military budget of this planet. Canada spends about 1/1000 of 1% of the world's total military budget. We have roughly 6 Indians, 5 Eskimos and 15 or 16 honkies, 2 tanks (water), 3 Twin Otters (affectionately known as Twotters) and a 30' motor launch, and 2 Newfy dories...  ;D ;) OK I'm exaggerating, but not by much :) You'all have 10 times as many people living on a smaller tract of land. So you have 10 times as many peaceniks and war mongers etc.

Our current Chief is a Conservative Steve Harper. He is as close as you can get to a neo-con in Canada. He's just missing Dubya's charisma. He's just more polite about it and doesn't have the military behind him to beat his chest. I met him years ago and he looks like the main character in "Steppenwolf", the depressing guy who compared himself to the lone wolf on the Russian Steppes. He has "ME first" written all over him. His handlers even tried a makeover with him by sending him to charm school, forcing him to do the barbecue circuit to melt the iceberg that kept showing up in pictures of him.

He is as close as you can get to a US puppet, but still not really.

Before him was Paul Martin Liberal. Not sure of his status but probably not a US puppet. He was a centrist. He took over when Jean Chretian resigned.

Before him was Jean Chretian, (Liberal) a Quebecer (Francophone) who was (I think) the gentlest, fairest, elder statesman, with a kind heart who basically told Dubya "thanks but no thanks". He was diplomatically telling him to fornicate off. He was more like the elder Bush, a gentleman first.

Before him was Kim Campbell (Progressive Conservative) who served out Mulrooney's term when he resigned. She was a feminist idiot who lasted from June to November 1993. (132 days too long) She orchestrated a "Corvette election". She succeeded in totally destroying the Conservatives taking them from a majority position down to a "two seater". The worst defeat in Canadian history for a reigning party. She also had a pretty hot tongue ie telling people to "F#@k off". Nobody knows or cares whether she was a puppet to anyone.

Before her was unquestionably the sleaziest, slipperiest, slimiest (is that a word) sleeveen that ever slithered the steps of Parliament. He won because the prior government had served 3 terms and had gotten rotten and took a long time to rebuild from basically a one man show. (P.E.T.) He was as close to a US puppet as we have ever been blessed with. He partied till he dropped with Reagan. He resigned essentially in disgrace.

Prior to him John Turner Liberal took over when PET resigned after 3 terms. I flew him around once and he was one of the nicest politicians I have ever met. Unfortunately he was a lovable loser and Trudeau his predecessor had given out a whole bunch of patronage appointments just before he left which made John look really bad so he went down in flames after serving June to November. It is very unlikely he was a puppet to the US.

Before him was probably the most significant politician in my lifetime. Pierre Elliot Trudeau. Started as a Socialist and then softened to become a liberal. In power 16 years with a brief interruption in the middle, of a year.

Although a very short man (five foot, frig all) he was a giant among men. He was uber charismatic, intelligent, feisty, a cool, almost hippie type-a-guy that women swooned over. In his fifties when prime minister he got his black belt in Tae Kwon Do from the guy that I briefly trained with, Master Tae Eun Lae, married (first and only wife) a girl in her early twenties, who thanks to her newborn celebrity started hangin with the Stones. (Margaret Trudeau) then she started to have emotional/depression issues and they were divorced.

Reporters were terrified of Trudeau because he was a street scrapper, literally and he was not afraid and very adept mentally to take on anybody, a little like Ron Paul except that Trudeau understood the power of the F-word and he apparently learned about the private lives of reporters so he could attack back.

Liberal but not afraid to use his power. When some radicals in his province of Quebec kidnapped a British politician and then murdered him and another Brit ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Trudeau) (October Crisis), he said in public when asked how far he would go to stop the madness "Just watch me".

Once when he was in some bleachers with a bunch of other politicos watching a parade (St. Jean Baptiste Day Parade) some Quebec separatists started taunting and threatening Trudeau. All the other politicos disappeared leaving feisty little, black belted, Pierre there and he just walked towards the separatists and said "come on ya little ###### I'll take ya on".

re: Nixon
Quote "When it was revealed that President Richard Nixon called Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau "an asshole" in his private tapes, Trudeau responded with, "I've been called worse things by better people."

Here is the Wackipedia version of his affect on
"World affairs
Trudeau was the first world leader to meet John Lennon and his wife Yoko Ono on their 'tour for world peace'. Lennon said, after talking with Trudeau for 50 minutes, that Trudeau was "a beautiful person" and that "if all politicians were like Pierre Trudeau, there would be world peace."[32]
In foreign affairs, Trudeau kept Canada firmly in the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), but often pursued an independent path in international relations. He established Canadian diplomatic relations with the People's Republic of China, before the United States did, and went on an official visit to Beijing. He was known as a friend of Fidel Castro, the leader of Cuba. A mobster said that in 1974 he was hired by New York State mafia members to kill Trudeau, hoping to lure Castro to a funeral, where they would kill him. The plan was apparently later rejected.["


He also met Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.

He was a true statesman, but after 16 years he owed too many favours and he gutted his party by giving out patronage big time. He also was uber-unpopular in western Canada.

It's a dynamic in the Canadian political scheme of things. East VS west VS French Canada.

LOOOONG answer but I figure that most Americans know diddly about Canada. Probably just like most Canucks know diddle abou"Mareka"

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Re: Ron Paul for President of the USA
« Reply #414 on: January 04, 2012, 02:31:38 am »
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The problem with the UK is that its own nuclear deterrent is wholly dependent on the US

Please elaborate why is there dependence on the US?  Isn't UK having its own stockpile of nuclear warheads and delivery system?

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« Reply #415 on: January 04, 2012, 02:34:53 am »
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Our current Chief is a Conservative Steve Harper. He is as close as you can get to a neo-con in Canada.

So what are your plans to replace this Harper guy with Canadian version of Ron Paul?

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Re: Ron Paul for President of the USA
« Reply #416 on: January 04, 2012, 03:06:35 am »
Please elaborate why is there dependence on the US?  Isn't UK having its own stockpile of nuclear warheads and delivery system?
Nope. It has to buy everything from the US:-

http://www.david-morrison.org.uk/nuclear-weapons/deterrent-dependent.htm
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Re: Ron Paul for President of the USA
« Reply #417 on: January 04, 2012, 04:08:33 am »
So what are your plans to replace this Harper guy with Canadian version of Ron Paul?

I am too peaceful to consider assassination.  ;) It's not the Canadian way,  plus I don't think he is so bad as to warrant that consideration. I also do not follow day to day politics to know who is a replacement contender. I am too busy reading about and trying to grasp your politics... From my vantage point there is a decided lack of good choices. I most definitely am not on that list.

Unfortunately right now the only thing that we have going for us is that we are closer to Santa Claus.

Alas, but if you go way back in this thread you will notice that I said something along the lines of I wish RP were here. I even sent him (his campaign people) a letter of support. That is not a usual thing for me to do.

We don't really have the issues here such as over-militarism, and encroachment on civil liberties as you guys have, (We have our own issues) but that said Ron Paul is a one in 307.006550 million kind of guy.

There is a Libertarian Party here at least in my riding I discovered on election day, but I haven't looked into it. Too busy posting here I suspect ;)

I went to one political meeting in my life, a Green Party election night get together to watch the polls come in. I had a fascinating talk with a guy about a system of elections in which the electorate decides which party they wish to vote for and then all the votes are tabulated and the party gets as many seats as they won as a percentage of the total seats. Ie if they won 10% of the national vote they get 10% of the votes. I forget the name of the system but I suspect that would solve a lot of the problems with our current winner take all system. I believe it is play in some European countries.
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« Reply #418 on: January 04, 2012, 06:00:22 am »
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Nope. It has to buy everything from the US:-

Ahh, this Morrison guy is talking about the results of the Special Relationship.

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"In May 2010, another poll conducted in the UK by YouGov revealed that 66% of those surveyed held a favourable view of the USA and 62% agreed with the assertion that the USA is Britain's most important ally. However, the survey also revealed that 85% of British citizens believe that the UK has little or no influence on American policies, and that 62% think that America does not consider British interests."

So US can spin UK anyway it wants.  That's what friends do.

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« Reply #419 on: January 04, 2012, 08:04:06 am »
YouGov is a notoriously biased agency which merely produces the results the people who pay for the polls want, regardless of the actual truth:-

http://p10.hostingprod.com/@spyblog.org.uk/blog/2005/11/07/yougov-poll-biased-questions-o.html

 In actual fact, when one asks UK people such questions in everyday life, the vast majority(80% plus)  mention that they loathe the foreign invasions the US has forced them into(Tony Blair is one of the most hated British people because of his slavish support for the US and Israel re Iraq/Lebanon etc.), despise the grossly unfair extradition treaty that the US forced on the UK, and generally despise the US for its odious foreign policy. So, no, the US is NOT viewed as a friend over here.
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« Reply #420 on: January 04, 2012, 10:30:14 am »
US is a "friend" with a gun pointed at our heads.

People nowadays are aware that USA government is different from the individual people.
It's an if you can't beat em, join em thing... so people migrate to the USA to get the benefits of empire wealth.
Although some Filipinos are realizing that UK, New Zealand, Australia seems to be more comfy to immigrate to.  Canada if you can stand the cold.  France if you can speak the language.

Maybe if the USA foreign policy is directed by Ron Paul, we can talk about really being friends and get that freaking loaded gun away from our heads.
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« Reply #421 on: January 04, 2012, 10:37:31 am »
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So, no, the US is NOT viewed as a friend over here.

I know, I was being sarcastic.  As I said before US does not have any friends.  Only pals to boss around and throw few dollars at them as a reward.  No one in the establishment (both republican and democratic) will allow Paul to change that.

He wants to abolish CIA.  That's so utopian.  Can't anyone see that?

If you remember this past summer Wisconsin governor Walker squeezed government union just a bit to save taxpayers money.  That generated humongous backlash that resulted in recall of two republican Senators.  And Walker's recall is under way as well.

Even domestic policy is totally utopian for such large and diverse country as US.  Paul's plans are thousand times more potent and will generate backlashes thousand times more.

Bloated government can't be fixed by radical ideas but rather slowly and methodically.  For that reason Paul does not have a chance as I said before.  Let's see if Paul can prove me wrong.


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Re: Ron Paul for President of the USA
« Reply #422 on: January 04, 2012, 12:09:35 pm »
Paul finished 3rd, behind Romney and Santorum.

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« Reply #423 on: January 04, 2012, 12:24:49 pm »
Unsurprising. Ron Paul actually did better than nearly anyone other than supporters predicted just months ago. The Neocon establishment finally woke up and used all means necessary to try to maintain their grip on power. Now it seems to be the Theocons' turn to take a crack at the chameleon, though Santorum doesn't seem to be much of a leader to coalesce around and the next stop is Romney's home territory of New England--an automatic win with Iowa momentum behind him. The real test for Romney now will be the South, particularly the theocon state of South Carolina. He'll have to convince the Southerners that he has "gotten religion" and is a true religious conservative and overcome the Mormon liability that has turned off many Southern Baptists.
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« Reply #424 on: January 04, 2012, 01:07:12 pm »
That's very true, religion is pretty big issue down south.  I don't think Paul played religion card that much.

 

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