Do u think we have the same gut bacteria like this african tribe for RPD?

[raw]

http://www.wired.com/2014/04/hadza-hunter-gatherer-gut-microbiome/

[van]

wow, two in one day.   I find it especially interesting what the research showed as comparisons to what 'we' believe healthy bacteria are,, i.e., bifobacterias, and the type the africans had, which are regarded in western world as unhealthy, yet none of them had diseases associated with those bacteria.    This is in alignment with what I was saying to Phil about research being done on RS, in that it appeared they were associating a healthy gut flora as one that had certain bacteria, and not others,,,  quite contrary to this research.      And yes,  these peoples ate lots of tubers, thus they got their RS it appears....     

     Again, with all the thousands of different types of Bacterias and the endless combinations or types of colonies that can live together in our intestines etc,,  the possibilities  should prove to be endless, and the research may take as long.

[PaleoPhil]

Yup, and I agreed with you that there's still lots to learn about the gut microbiome, Van, and it is indeed interesting that the report says the HGs not only eat lots of tuberous roots (containing RS, inulin and probably other prebiotics), but also bring foods back to the camp, just like you suggested in the appetite thread:

Both sexes eat copious amounts of tuborous roots, the women do most of the digging, while the men hunt or collect honey. ”Even though both groups bring food back to camp, they both snack, so they both eat more of what they collect,”

Thanks for the link, Raw.

[goodsamaritan]

Thanks for the nice article.

What I think is that we develop gut flora that adapts to what we are currently consuming.

I have experienced trying to wiping out my gut flora via zappers and seeding my gut flora with new probiotics.

I'd also noticed I may develop gut flora that helps me digest the common foods I eat.

During a time I was almost 100% raw paleo, my gut flora was not adapted to eating cooked animal food, I would suffer severe stomach pain from eating cooked / canned food.  Which my wife pointed out would kill me in a SHTF scenario when we have to live on survival food. 

So for survival readiness I began eating just enough cooked meat so I can consume the survival food.

I surmise my new gut flora allows me now to be able to consume the survival food. (canned beef and canned fish)

Kudos to the RS and raw starch consumption, I'm now gaining good weight effortlessly.

[van]

I doubt the gut microbes or lack there of is the main reason for your upsets with cooked.   People who are on constant antibiotics, hence with little or no gut flora handle cooked meat.    Probably more has to do with your predominant diet of raw, and then throwing cooked into the mix.  The stomach digestive juices are Probably much different for cooked and raw, enzymes vs. no enzymes, and amounts of hydrochloric acid etc...

[raw]

Also environment plays the major rules. Looks like African tribe do not wear shoes or some clothing that block  circulation . The do not use modern technology , live in hut, drink different water, wild tubers are mineral reached and game meat has always the highest nutritions than what we eat here. Even spend a day walking in mud barefoot could have significant impact. They do not sit on chairs. they do not sleep on toxic bed as we do.... Such a fascinating way to live indeed!

[sabertooth]

I definitely think that some raw paleo urbanites should be tested to see how they compare to those on hunter gatherer diets.

This line of research may finally debunk the old notions of what constitute beneficial bacteria, and may be able to "scientifically" prove some of A.V.s theories regarding  bacteria and gut ecology.

People need to know that the old lines of thinking regarding rebalancing gut ecology by just supplementing with lactobacilli, or other so called beneficial probiotics may not be the best rout to take in light of this new information.

I remember hearing from a documentary on Hitler that an old time remedy for digestive disorders was to consume Bulgarian peasant poop.

Perhaps in light of these new findings it would be wise for many people suffering from digestive issues to eat probiotics cultured from the finest hadza stool specimens, while undergoing adaptation to a more hunter gatherer style diet.

Many people do have a bacterial insufficiency which makes it difficult to digest certain foods. Perhaps in the future they will be able to tailor probiotic supplements toward certain diets. Its obvious that more carnivorous people do not need the same gut microbes as vegetarians.

 One day there may be a way to discern what ones optimal bacterial balance should be by factoring in ones dietary choices, combine with the gut microbial profile, and other factories such as enteric enzymatic production. If such individuals were found to be unbalanced, then they could be given a custom holistic nutricutical treatments such as tubers, game meat, and of course supplemental doses of fresh hadza poo.