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General Discussion / Re: aged cheese much better than raw beef
« on: April 18, 2018, 08:31:27 am »

In dogs with pancreatic insufficiency i know they treat them with raw meat diet or raw pancreas added to their kibble but i think by raw meat diet they mean raw organ meats not muscle meat. There are people that have their stomach removed due to stomach cancer for example - and if you search for post gastrectomy diet you will see that their recommended diet is meat and cheese - so it is possible to digest meat - they dont even use raw meat - so these people digest cooked meat fine even without stomach -  no stomach juices - it seems the pancreas is more important for meat digestion.  I have also seen studies that link hormones with pancreatic insufficiency in people. Most probably people with digestion problems have both low HCL and pancreatic insufficiency caused by low thyroid AND low cortisol. Without cortisol thyroid hormones dont work - i read thyroid forums for years and thyroid glandular or hormones works for very few people - cortisol is the missing piece - most people actually have low not high cortisol - they have high adrenaline but low cortisol. When you go to the lab to test your cortisol they test for total cortisol - which says nothing about free cortisol.
There are several books about the importance of cortisol like Safe uses of cortisol from William Gefferies and he even claims that thyroid is not so essential like cortisol.

Among many other suggestions it also mentions to eat raw pancreas and raw liver to fix digestion. I think User Sabertooth said raw pancreas helped him a lot. So that makes sense now.


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General Discussion / Re: aged cheese much better than raw beef
« on: April 11, 2018, 11:38:37 pm »
How are u battling your low HCL ivan?

The problem is that i have no success in fixing low HCL. I will try cortisol in low doses because there are studies that show that administration of ACTH or cortisol hormone normalize HCL - i have low acth and maybe low cortisol, i tried thyroid hormone but hey dont help. I have exactly the same experience as you regarding foods. When you cook beef you fix the problem with connective tissues but you make other proteins undigestible - so the only solution is dry aging. What do you mean by this:

I have also experimented with High meats, beef and salmon, and allthough it seems that it makes food move that´s stuck in the intestines, you still need Gastric acids to digest it

- do you find raw salmon, raw chicken or raw cod fish hard to digest? Was the salmon frozen? I read in some  book - some guy did experiments with HCL digestion and the result was that previously frozen salmon was not better from cooked salmon - i am now trying the find the book and get more info why this happens and if no frozen fish is better.  I tried to put some small fish in a cup with water and 5 hcl tablets and the fish was degraded - i tried the same with 30 grams of raw beef - nothing happens - raw beef is undigestible with low hcl. I have to try the test with chicken and salmon.

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Health / Re: 22 Years Old, Severe Leaky Gut, Help Going Raw
« on: April 08, 2018, 08:41:20 am »
How do you know that the proteins in the bone broth are the problem and not the fermentable carbs in it. Meat stock is one thing but bone broth is different because some animal parts like cartilage have fermentable carbs:




Here’s where the problem is with SIBO and bone broth: Bone broth contains carbohydrates. More specifically, it is the glycosaminoglycan (GAG) carbs in bone broth that are problematic.

In short: The GAG carbs in bone broth can feed the bacteria in your gut, causing overgrowth to get worse in SIBO patients.

 

Bone Broth and FODMAPs
If you have SIBO, then you have probably already heard of the Low FODMAP diet. This diet is often recommended for SIBO because it removes certain fermentable carbohydrates which bacteria love to eat.

In several forums and blog post comments, I’ve read that “bone broth is high FODMAP.”  While this comment is in the right vane, it is not completely correct.

The GAG carbs in bone broth are a type of polysaccharide carbohydrates.  Under FODMAPs, polysaccharide types of carbs are allowed – even though these can also feed gut bacteria and aren’t recommended for SIBO.  The fact that these carbs (as well as many other gut-damaging ingredients) are allowed is one of the big problems with the FODMAPs diet.  (Confusing, right?)

In short: The GAG carbs  in bone broth don’t fall under FODMAPs, but still are not good for SIBO.

 

Thank you all for your contributions to journey back to health!

I tried bone broth for a good while in the Summer, however, the cooked proteins and highly available amino acids within it proved to worsen my intestinal overgrowth. It was this experience actually which lead me to discovering the importance of raw proteins. Presumably stocks and broth would help some, but in my own experience I have found raw foods, plant or animal to work best for me as they are less conducive to putrefaction and fermentation in the gut.

I suspect that those of us with low stomach acid simply cannot breakdown and absorb cooked proteins before gut microbes begin to feast on them and produce their often problematic metabolites.

Upon reading your suggestions I have cut my protein consumption down to near 100g. I am also reducing my consumption of carrots and introducing cucumbers and leafy greens.

Yesterday I drove 2 hours to a farm and bought 20ibs of raw grass-fed suet, which I lightly render and mix in a 4 blueberries to sweeten and eat 2-3oz of with my meals. Delicious!


Per your recommendations, I have increased my consumption of veggies and fat and brought meat consumption into range. Lemon juice and stomach acid supplementation have lead to marked improvements in digestion, bloating, and constipation.

Due to my history of antibiotic use and worsening of symptoms after using them this Summer, I suspect my issues are related to an overgrowth of yeasts and molds in my gut.
My plan of attack from here is to eat in such a way as to feed my gut bacteria and starve gut yeast. Consequently, I will be removing carrots and switching to non-starchy veggies like kale and cucumbers.

As always, I am most appreciative of your sharing of your own knowledge and experiences! Thanks for tuning in


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General Discussion / Re: aged cheese much better than raw beef
« on: April 08, 2018, 03:48:57 am »
How many topics like this https://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/hot-topics/maldigestion/     do you need to understand some simple facts about digestion. What you say is based on nothing more than your own opinion - despite the fact that this forum is full of people that complain of digestive problems even after going raw paleo - and it seems many people before me explained here why this happens and instead of pin their topics to help others you
argue with them. Please educate yourself how exactly is food digested by reading real science not books like AVs. And Aajonus claims were the same - just his own wrong opinion - he says that his vagus nerve was not working and so he had no HCL - this is just not true - i recently read a study that vagotomy does not stop stomach from producing HCL but interesting adrenalectomy do exactly that.
If you really want to help people in this forum - tell them to eat raw meats low in connective tissue like fish or organ meats - no red meat even raw - except maybe aged or  marinated in vinegar or with HCL tablets. Raw beef not only does not help people with low HCL - it will make them much worse as happened with me and others. And what is worse - there are even studies that claim that even fish is not possible to digest without HCL - hcl is even more important than pancreas for digestion because without HCL pepsin is not working and pancreatic enzymes are never activated in the small intestine. The real cause of ilnesses are mineral deficiencies - not Aaajonus bs about toxins detox bla bla bla. There are studies that prove that minerals are missing in todays food including meat - so eating muslce meat will not help most people - organ meats - maybe.




Anyway, the vast majority of RVAFers find they digest all raw meats fine, fresh or otherwise. Putrefaction does not occur either as raw animal foods are close to 100% digested by the body. RZCers report very small amounts of stools, as a result.

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General Discussion / Re: aged cheese much better than raw beef
« on: March 26, 2018, 01:20:48 am »
My post above is specifically about beef and other red meats - chicken and fish are another story they dont have so much connective tissues and don't need so much stomach acid. You are correct about true allergies but the problem for most people is not true allergy - it is putrefaction of protein in the intestines. Most people are not allergic to gluten they just can not digest it to amino acids and it putrefy in intestines. Mincing red meat does not help much in my experience with venison and beef, marinating in vinegar seems to help somehow. Where can i get more info about this wet aging method?  When i hang some beef outside it just becomes like jerky - it is even hard to cut it with knife. Maybe you are talking for some kind of fermentation of meat that will accelerate the process of aging?

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General Discussion / aged cheese much better than raw beef
« on: March 26, 2018, 12:08:35 am »
I am doing a lot of reading to find out why i cant digest raw beef and after reading studies like this: Determination of free amino acids in cheeses:
www . agriculturejournals .   cz/publicFiles/08676.pdf
i think hard cheeses can be compared to high meat or rotten meat and are much better than raw unaged beef.
For example brie cheese - from 100 gram cheese you have approximately 50 gram mousture and 25 gram  fat and  25 gram protein of which 16 gram free amino acids per 100 gram cheese/160 gram free amino acids in 1 kg cheese according to study/. The remaining 9 gram protein are not free amino acids but probably peptides and not whole casein. So with the cheese you get predigested protein and saturated fats. With beef you get easy to digest fats and impossible to digest protein if you have low HCL in the stomach - like many people do. All those claims that raw meat is self digesting are total BS in my experience and aged cheeses may not be paleo and may not be even raw  but are much better than raw beef because bacteria did the hard work to predigest protein to amino acids - the same happens in rotten meat but you can not buy rotten meat in supermarket.
It does not matter what is paleo and what your ancestors were eating, what matters is what you can digest and the truth is that raw beef is better than cooked beef but still very hard to digest because of collagen in connective tissue. I even think this collagen is as hard to digest as gluten. I think the problems that people have on zero carb diets are not due to the lack of carbs but dies to the presence of undigested protein in their diet - Aajonus say that cooked protein putrefy in the intestines but the same can happen with raw protein if you dont digest it. Unfortunately many  raw paleo diet  fans are just as brainwashed as vegans and make claims that have nothing to do with the truth - that ALL DAIRY IS BAD AND ALL RAW MEAT IS GOOD just because it is paleo. Yes in the meat there are proteolitic enzymes that work when you age the beef but dry aging beef takes weeks - this is not going to happen in our intestines - or if someone can show me a study that proves otherwise please show me this study.
Here is another study  - Tolerability of a Fully Maturated Cheese in Cow’s Milk Allergic Children - they fed children with milk allergy with parmiggiano reggiano cheese and most children have no problem

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I go on about dairy as it is often mentioned by Crohn's sufferers as seriously aggravating their condition. Maybe raw dairy is "less worse" as regards Crohn's, but that doesn't mean one should pretend issues with raw dairy never happen. And I am not ever "denying" the few reports of people doing well on raw dairy, I merely wish to emphasise the obvious,  that more suffer from issues with raw dairy than those who thrive on the stuff. That's all.
Hi Tyler
I wonder what kind of raw dairy did you tried - cow with A1 casein, cow with A2 casein, goat milk or cheeses or fermented as kefir or youghurt?



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General Discussion / Re: Raw Dairy Nutrition
« on: November 04, 2017, 07:54:15 am »
I think there is nothing good in "high meat" - it will be very high in histamine and this means it will deplete your body of minerals especially magnesium and most people are deficient in magnesium.
You can check zerocarbzen com - where the author eat mainly raw aged beef for a period of time and make her migraines worse. The health benefits of bacteria in high meat were mainly  Aajonus claims but I have read many times for miraculous recoveries of many diseases like CFS or IBS using antibiotic rifaximin /which kills bacteria in small intestine/ in the same time many people made their condition worse with probiotics or fermented foods.
Regarding dairy - raw cheeses -  i don't think they are healthy in my experience because when you make cheese you remove half of the milk amino acids and minerals - in raw milk you have calcium and magnesium - in cheese you have maybe double the amount of calcium and not much magnesium. Also in cheese you have concentrated casein - not easy to digest. Raw kefir or raw yoghurt is another story - bacteria remove lactose and predigest casein - you have all amino acids and all minerals in this food - better than raw muscle meat and maybe a little worse than raw organ meats.


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General Discussion / Re: Stomach acid?
« on: October 01, 2017, 06:23:24 am »
Gelatin - for more info you can search: Carl Voit and gelatin - this guy researched gelatin.

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General Discussion / Re: Is it possible raw beef to make me worse
« on: September 29, 2017, 07:32:57 am »
We can't draw a conclusion here. What are your symptoms when eating raw beef?

Extremely oily skin and tiredness but the meat was definitely grain fed and very low quality. Also I think the fat was the problem - because I bought it grounded in advance. The taste was pretty bad. I once eat raw beef in expensive restaurant and it was completely different in taste but it was marinated with something like vinegar.

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General Discussion / Re: Is it possible raw beef to make me worse
« on: September 29, 2017, 07:24:36 am »
I hope you haven't been doing raw, zero-carb, by the way. That might be an alternate explanation for your above issues....

This is exactly what I was doing. I had problems with all carbs - even 1 apple was giving me depression and skin problems, the same with potatoes, starches and white sugar - so I decided that carbs are the problem. What is the problem with zero carb? I thought this is the main idea of raw paleo?
BTW - why everybody here talks about Beef and not veal - I mean I think there is a big difference between beef and veal - veal should be more easy to digest.
 

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General Discussion / Is it possible raw beef to make me worse
« on: September 27, 2017, 10:45:41 pm »
Hi,

It seems everything i eat except raw eggs make me worse, i can understand that raw dairy can be bad but what about raw beef - do you think it is possible that someone cant digest raw beef - raw beef should need no digestion or this is wrong assumption or maybe i use bad sour e of beef?

Thanks,

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Raw milk does not cause magnesium deficiency - exactly the opposite - it have magnesium. Raw cheese can cause Mag deficiency because if you check nutritiondata.self.com cheese does not have magnesium - it seems it goes to whey - but whole milk have magnesium. Pumpkin seeds are useless for magnesium - there is no magnesium in soil so dont expect the pumpkin seeds to have it. Milk and animal foods are just more concentrated so have better chances to have minerals like magnesium. Raw Fermented milk products like kefir, home yogurt are much more healing that raw beef - beef does not have all amino acids. The only problem i see with raw milk is lactose - but this is taken care of  when fermented. Raw cheese is not the complete food like raw milk because whey is removed - this is where sulphur amino acids are - in the whey - the body needs them to produce gluthathione. I doubt that there is someone on this earth who can digest raw beef but who cant digest raw kefir or raw youghurt - simply because they are predigested unlike beef unless beef is fermented in some kind.

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General Discussion / Re: Does raw milk feed sibo or disbiosis
« on: April 30, 2017, 09:44:34 am »
The theory for sibo is that this is good bacteria in the wrong place due to slow motility - i dont know if it is anaerobic bacteria. My hope is to eat low fructose fruits like granny smith apples - in my experience oranges, sweet apples, figs, dates, bananas are very bad. But raw honey seems to be even worse - so i am not sure if the problem is in the bacteria because raw honey should not feed sibo bacteria.
What can be the reason for someone to be worse when eating raw honey from honeycomb - here is what i think:
- SIBO
- fructose malabsorbtion
- some kind of detox or die off
- high salicilate content in honey
- simply too much sugar leading to magnesium loss
Unfortunately the net if full of disinformation and it is very difficult to find out what is the truth but i have seen much more success stories with fruit based diets than any other diet. I am trying to find out how raw honey is better than sweet fruit - Aajonus said that honey have enzymes similar to insulin - ok but this will help only for blood sugar - not for absorbtion in small intestine.

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General Discussion / Re: Does raw milk feed sibo or disbiosis
« on: April 27, 2017, 11:28:47 pm »
Is the individual eating foods which irritate and inflame the gut?
- this is very difficult question - if someone have fructose malabsorbtion and eat apples what happens? - i guess inflammation,
Have they been damaged by past Antibiotic or other drug use?
- yes, definitely the gut is damaged
Are they deficient in nutrients which would aid in healing?
- i guess there is deficiency at least on B12

But i found posts on this forum about people eating zero carb raw paleo for 2 weeks without any improvement for sibo - i guess bacteria feed on saturated fats also because they can not be absorbed by damaged small intestine - so sibo feeds on carbs and fats then what remains - only protein? Or maybe bad bacteria does not feed on fructose and only putrefaction of fats and protein is a problem?

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General Discussion / Does raw milk feed sibo or disbiosis
« on: April 26, 2017, 04:55:59 pm »
Hello,

 What do you think does carbs in raw milk feed sibo - all diets for sibo forbid raw milk because of lactose.
I know people that made their sibo worse by eating fruits or juices like banana and apples so RAW does not mean safe for sure. I mean if fructose or lactose transporters in the bowell are not working how will be lactose absorbed?

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General Discussion / Re: Have I caught something from eating raw meat?
« on: February 27, 2016, 10:07:33 am »
Thats good. Im really weak though. At maybe 20% strength. I definitely have worms though. What would that be?

There are many possibilities but the question is how to fix it. If it is some parasite living in digestive system you can take minerals - zinc, iodine, copper, sulphur from MSM. For example zinc and MSM repair the damage to the intestines so that parasites can not attach - they dont kill them directly. Iodine can kill them. Also vitamin A is important for bowels health. I think Aajonus was really great man but he gave a lot of bad advice. For example he said that parasites are not a problem - this is brutally wrong - yes they are not a problem if you have absolutely healthy body with no deficiencies - but 99.99% of the people have mineral deficiencies so Hulda CLark was correct here - parasites are a big problem and the best way to fight them i think is to provide the body minerals and the body can clean itself.
AAjonus had a theory that heating foods changes minerals charge but i dont think this is true. The best way to get minerals is from sea food and when you are in excellent health you can eat raw meat and other raw animal foods.
Several years ago when i found this forum i was expecting to see super  healthy people here but i saw exactly the opposite - very few positive results - i think this  is because all diseases are caused by some deficiency - minerals, amino acids fats etc - so if you are iodine deficient and you eat raw beef - this will not help much. Cooked or raw beef does not have a lot of iodine if at all.

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Whats your view on Raw Honey
« on: September 17, 2012, 08:10:36 pm »
but after i read many posts from this blog http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/   i am not so sure that insulin spikes cause insulin resistance.

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Whats your view on Raw Honey
« on: September 17, 2012, 07:58:54 pm »
I made the same test - with raw honeycomb aproximately 100 grams - i get very similar results

OK I finally put the claims re: raw honey to the test. I used raw comb honey--the kind that is made right in the cannister so there is no heating whatsoever--you can't get any rawer than that. They don't even have to hand-pack it, as the bees make the comb right in the containers. I found it via Internet search after Tyler mentioned how truly raw comb honey is not clear like the stuff sold in most stores. I had never heard of it before, so it was a pretty neat experience--and very tasty (and expensive).

First, here is some reference data for comparison:Here are my results:

5.21.10

5:51PM My random glucose after 4 hours of fasting = 87
5:55PM ate 2 tbsps Rabbit Mountain raw comb honey (experienced some burning feeling on the tongue; noticed cinnamon notes--excellent tasting honey)
6:55PM random glucose 1 hour after eating 2 tbsps Rabbit Mountain raw comb honey = 186 mg/dl
7:55PM random glucose 2 hours after eating 2 tbsps Rabbit Mountain raw comb honey = 146 mg/dl

So my blood sugar numbers after eating raw comb honey were apparently a bit high even for diabetics!  :o  I'll bet that my numbers get spiked even more by heated honey. I hope to test that soon.

Has anyone else tested their blood sugar before and after eating raw honey?

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Primal Diet / Re: Why would honey make me sick?
« on: December 24, 2011, 07:12:55 pm »
I have tried many different brands of raw/unheated honey also honeycombs - 30 -40 minutes after eating honey the blood sugar is rising substantialy. For example if blood sugar is 98 mg/dl before eating then it goes to 150 - 160 mg/dl 30 -49 minutes after meal. I dont see how rising blood sugar can be good for anyone but maybe i am wrong

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General Discussion / Re: Natural Hegiene's Claims about viruses
« on: June 29, 2010, 06:12:46 am »
Are you on raw paleo diet?

No, I eat raw eggs every day and raw milk sometimes but never tried raw meat.
BTW after 2 day water only fast my temperature is fine - it was 38.5 - 39 C for 4 days. So maybe Natural Higienists are correct about fever and fasting. I read that most people with shingles get well on 4 th or 5 th day so I am not 100% sure if the improvement came from fasting

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General Discussion / Natural Hegiene's Claims about viruses
« on: June 27, 2010, 02:25:56 am »
Hi All,

 I am interested what do you think about Natural Higiene's practitioners claims that viruses are helpfull and we don't have to kill them - i am now with herpes zoster and have high tempreture for 5 days and see no improvement. I also got constipation among other simptoms /usualy i don't have this problem/ - and i can't see how constipation could be beneficial for the body. There are many testimonials about the opposite aproach - to kill parasites and viruses. What about Hulda Clark, Miracle Mineral, Coloidal SIlver, Coconut OIl, Propolis, Grape Seed extract and many others methods - they have very good testimonials. I can agree that some microorganisms are beneficial but no way to agree about - malaria, or flu for example  

Also many natural treatments claim that improve immune system and she kills viruses and  other pathogens - ok so who is correct immune system os Natural Hygienists?

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He didn't want to talk about the veggie juice issue, and for sure is ignorant around the dairy issue. He recommended me to go with fish and chicken to get my lymph nodes to calm down. I also wonder if he's right about the fruit diet causing my spleen to get enlarged...

 Aajonus seems right -   http://drbass.com/aboutfruit.html

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