That makes sense, thank you for your help!

Today i went to a cookout for a friend/coworkers birthday, all of my coworkers know about my eating habits and i could have just not eaten and it would have been understandable but in the moment under peer pressure i ate maybe 8-12 ounces of cooked beef, i wouldnt have felt so bad about it i know that one cooked meal is not the end of the world but after i ate it i found out it had been marinated in beer as well, and consuming grain derivatives on top of the cooked beef makes me more uncomfortable.
The only other thing i consumed was a substantial amount of homemade guacomole which i presume was raw and i assume mostly paleo friendly assuming i didnt accidently eat a piece of someones chip that had broken off in it.

My stomach just feels kind of heavy now and i know that i really shouldnt stress about this because thats probably more dangerous than the minor amount of gluten and other toxic compounds i consumed at least in this small comcentration. I just want to know what other people might do in this scenario? Should i fast the rest of the night to give me body a chance to deal with the toxins? i know that this one meal isnt going to set me back in health any noticable amount logically but i just wish i hadnt broken from my dietary ideals even momentarily.

What do you guys do when you attend a social event do you just bite the bullet and eat cooked food as long as its still within paleo guidelines or do you only eat what minimal raw paleo options that happen to be available?

Part of my problem is i was out of meat until this afternoon i received more fresh, so when i attended i hadnt eaten all day and my resolve was weakened if i had had meat i think i could have eaten a meal before going and i would not have been hungry and weakened to temptation.

Never tried cheek tho. I bought it once, it looked like tongue, but my dog stole it.

This is actually really funny the first time i ever tried cheek it got stolen by my dog as well! I left it on the counter to thaw out while i was working out and the second he left my sight he went to the kitchen and i came out and it was in his mouth. I yelled at him and took it back though and then i rinsed it off and ate it 

Today i ate ~
1 pound of beef cheeks
1/2 pound beef of shoulder roast
1/2 pound of beef back fat
Some green leek leaves of a single large organic leek

I was doing zero carb for some months but ive recently been eating fibrous vegetables mostly green onions or kale or leek though im slowly expanding. My typical day always includes muscle of beef or sometimes fish and beef back fat and then a few times a week i eat an organ meat like liver or pancreas or sweetbread.

I was just curious if anyone has had an issue with cystic acne but only concentrated on the back and on the neck? Back in the days i used to eat a SAD diet i would get it terrible on my face, back, and neck, since changing my diet to cooked paleo i had gotten rid of it on my face mostly, and after switching to raw its been basically nonexistant like my face is as clear as can be. But after all this time even though my back has improved it still has a enough that occurs that it makes me wonder if i could be doing something better.
Ive thought of the sun factor i definitely dont get as much sun on my back as i could but a couple times a week ill go out and get an hours worth, i walk or bike several miles most days and so my face always is able to get a good bit of sun but i dont know if thats whole issue.
Right now ive been doing zero carb for a couple months i think it was july 23rd i started, my only cheat is occasional roquefort cheese or katamala olives but i havent even eatan those in quite some time. My typical day is either beef or goat as well as beef back fat at around 3 or 4 o clock, then around ten o clock ill eat either more beef and fat or an organ of some kind or fish. Im definitely getting enough fat i eat quite a lot of it, i could probably stand to drink more water and i do have about 4 shots of espresso every day. I tried to quit drinking espresso but i work with it and i was so angry all the time and i ended up just starting again but with much less than before.
ive had some strong cravings for the cheese and olives lately but ive realized that both foods are very salty and so i may be primarily craving that, i salted my meat yesterday and plan to incorporate it more but im not sure if that will help.

I understand that your right it probably is the safer option to see a doctor first and then go from there, if its not much better when i wake up tomorrow ill go to one and see what they say. I cant imagine it would be an allergic reaction as i havent changed a whole lot of things that would have chance to get in my eye, ive stopped washing my hands at work with there antibacterial soap so it could be from rubbing my eyes after contacting someone elses germs instead of from raw meat.

However i did just eat a bunch of raw oysters for the first time and then immediately followed them with beef and back fat and after a short time i ended up experiencing somewhat bad chest pains for about 2 hours and now thats mostly stopped but i have itchy bumps around my ankles. It seems strange that i would have a skin reaction somewhere that never was touched with oyster residue and also it seems like reading online i would have pains in my stomach more than my chest if it was an allergic reaction to the oysters, im not sure if it was the oysters or if ive got something else going on related to my eyes as well.

Do any of you have reactions to one kind of shellfish but not any others? Ive had shrimp, lobster, octopus and scallops all raw and never had a bad reaction and also clams and squid but cooked, i suppose it definitely could be that i was combining foods improperly just because i ate one thing right after the other or it could be something in the water where the oysters were harvested. I have 2 left out of 14 and at this point i feel like i should just throw them out but part of me wants to eat them tomorrow and see if i react again.

I would just think taking such action as that would lead to higher chance of reaccurance, i would rather let my body figure out how to deal with it so it doesnt happen again.

Greetings all of you, so i have been raw for several months now and am doing very well, ive been mostly zero carb for about a month and i do have some questions as far as that regard but that is for another time, right now my most urgent need is to know if i need to be worried about an infection in both of my eyes?
Yesterday they hurt when i rubbed them and did not feel great but today its even worse and they are both extremely swollen. Im pretty much entirely positive its from rubbing my eyes after touching raw beef without washing my hands, this actually happened before maybe 3 weeks back but to only one of my eyes and it never got so bad as to where it was very swollen, all i did last time was put diluted apple cider vinegar in my eye and it got better after 2 or 3 days. I just want to know if you guys think i should be worried about this enough to actually go to a medical establishment or if you think it will be fine if i just do what i did last time?
My thinking is that right now my body is not entirely accustomed to the bacteria found in the meat and this sort of thing will become less common after my body has built up an immunity to the germs, im already ingesting them without issue so i would think that should help since my body already fights them off fine internally, but do you think i may have an underlying immune system weakness from eating zero carb that may be why its happened twice in relatively short time?
I like eating zero carb a lot of other foods ive tried seem to stop me up i can feel them sitting in my intestines the next day, meat never does this though on the contrary i feel as though i do not have a complete fecal evacuation all the time im hoping that will fix itself in time.

What do all of you do if you aquire an infection? Herbs to boost immunity? Sea salt externally? Ive used acv many times for wounds in other parts of my body and it has always worked to stop any infection from occuring my main concern is i dont want to go blind if it doesnt work now that the infection is already set in.

I love shiitake mushrooms there my favorite ive had though ive only had the white grocery store ones, portabellos and oysters. Ive had portabellos raw and there alright but i get easily sick of them i can only eat half of a large one before i cant handle any more of the tatse, shiitakes on the other hand tast great to me and it seems like everything ive ever read about them is extremely positive. There the only kind ive been buying recently and i dont even wash them, there not organic because the kroger near me only carries the one kind but ive read they cant use very many pesticides on mushrooms because theyre extremely senstive to such things and would look unnatractive to the consumer, this could be incorrect however.
Either way they never give me much digestive trouble in the 1-2 ounce quantity i eat them in i never feel sick from them but if i dont chew them well enough i can see them in my poop. I would say shiitakes are a great addition to a diet. I would be hard pressed to find the article again but i read that when looking at food remains in a preserved ancient persons teeth all they found was meat and mushrooms there was no other plant material they could detect, this of course only speaks for that specific person in that environment but i think it does say something of their healthful qualities that it was the one plant food the people were incorporating into their diet.

I will go ahead and try making some high meat in the near future, it does sound rather intriguing and i know the importance of having good gut flora. I can totally see how it would feel really great i already feel awesome after i eat plain raw meat im sure part of that effect is the bacteria and part is just the quality energy from the food itself. It only makes sense that bacteria in balance are good for our health in pre modern circumstances without soap it would be impossible to avoid their presence even if you cooked all your meat you would be eating with hands still covered with the raw meat germs and all other kinds im sure most all of the kinds of bacteria in an environment would end up making a presence in your gut if capable of surviving there.

Pumpkin, though i cant say what continues to cause continuation of the hemorroids exactly i entirely credit there formation to a high consumption of deep fried shrimp and chicken at my old job as well as large quantities of poor quality nuts at the same time. At that period i was also eating oats in the form of plain oats mixed with egg and honey and microwaved, lots of fruits, and i would eat cooked meat and vegetables in olive oil once a day too but i think it was the nuts and fried foods that were just tearing my insides apart, ive always had an addictive personality when it comes to foods and when all the fried food was free to me i had a very hard time resisting even though i knew it was killing me. Whenever i was eating all of these things it was like my stomach would be incredibly uncomfortable most the time and especially when it was time to poop and it would come out as diahrea but it was like i could never wipe it all off i would wipe countless times and after a short period of days i started feeling slight pain and getting blood by the end of wiping, i was eating this way for some months before i finally stopped and then i was still eating amounts of margerine from meats cooked on the grill which didnt make me feel much better. I quit this job and continued eating nuts in some quantity regularly for several more months before starting to only eat macadamia nuts and then none at all. But even without nuts fried foods or any grains at all it seems like i still once a week at least will wipe and get blood, after having been eating raw meat and the microwaved vegetables for 2 months i feel as though it was helping a lot and things have improved but two days ago after eating fruits in slight quantity the day before i actually had a resurgance again, and so i think ill continue to stay away from fruits again and stick to raw meat, raw vegetables that are pleasant raw, and then some fermented ones as well. Im hoping this will be the anwser if i need to i will go zero carb but right now i have carrots, beets, and mushrooms as well as some cabbage im going to ferment with cayane peppers i grew.

If you read my post all i eat now is grass fed meat i spend 400 dollars a month supporting a real farm im not saying that i believe that feedlots are a necessary evil i said that there is a better way, im saying that there is not a lot for me the individual in the life situations im in to make much change in terms of remedying the situation, im saying that i personally would rather sacrifice the life of those animals than my own if it came down to it. Veganism is a steady course towards ones demise and there is no healthy way to live without animal food, does that make me greedy? Maybe. But one can not truly love those outside of oneself without loving oneself first, and i love myself far too much to make myself a martyr for such a cause when this is my only one chance to live.

If you actually expect me to believe air pollution is causing a greater need for protien maybe you should try a source, and that speaks nothing of the human bodies need for fat regardless.

If having refused to eat grainfed meats within the last 2 and a half months with the 3rd months meat headed my way now is taking no action i dont know what you expect, maybe you wish i was out in the streets protesting with peta instead of working and putting funds towards the solution?

Thank you guys for the feedback, ill see about trying some more land meats for some variety i believe you that parasites arent really a concern. I would like to try more wild game im sure it is of superior quality, out of curiosity would you still eat a suburban wild animal? I live nearby a stream and there are actually a lot of ducks which live there and i doubt it would be ultimately too hard to catch one, but part of the reason it wouldnt be so hard is because ive seen a lady feeding them before and im sure she was just feeding them bread so that might be a concern? as well as that they live in a stream probably 50% composed of road runnoff. There are alot of plants including wild carrots that grow around it but i dont know about the actual health of the ecosystem its probably not the greatest as far as it goes.

So the last two days i havent eaten any cooked foods at all, i went to the store and got cherries, a plum, a kiwi, green onions, carrots, an avacado and shiitake mushrooms all organic except for the mushrooms. Ive stuck to relatively low amounts of fruits each day yesterday i had the plum and avacado and maybe 6 cherries and then today i had a few blueberries at work along with 8 cherries, everything else has been raw beef and fat but this morning i had some heart too and im about to have wild black drum for dinner. I still dont know quite how i feel about the fruits i got some minor heartburn after the blueberries even though it was only about 2 ounces, but they also werent organic so it could stem from that. Ill probably stick with it for 5 days to a week and see how im feeling after that i may just go zero carb if its not working out or i may just rely on the carrots as i know they do me fine. Would you say that if i enjoy the taste of fermented vegetables that are raw than the fermentation has reduced the anitnutrients or is it just because the tanginess covers the bitter? I made lactofermented broccoli stems with leeks a cayanne pepper and some garlic last week and really enjoyed that.

Its good to hear its likely not something to be concerned about as far as the omega 3-6 ratio of foods when eating grassfed/wild meats of any kind i will let go of concerning myself too overly with it, but i probably will continue eating wild caught fish once a week or more just to be on the safe side sense its an enjoyable thing to do anyways and then theres no way to really go wrong with it. I also though have to say i wont start eating nuts again just because how badly they treated me in the past, im sure fresh nuts in moderation can be a healthy thing but it would seem fresh nuts are very hard to find and from the way they made me feel i think it could be possible i was minorlly allegic or just intolerant of them period. I never actually liked nuts at all as a child i hated them but then i tried them again when cooked paleo and couldnt stop eating them.

I agree ray peat is absurd like when i found out about him around the time i found this place it gave me pause because it flys so far out from everything i was thinking, i feel it was good for making me take a step back and think and i feel some logic is there i look at danny roddy and he seems pretty healthy, but i ate sugar rich foods long enough that i know they are death and ive read on ray peat forum so many people talking about all of the health issues theyre still having that are fixed with a diet like this and i know its not the way, no one would ever be able to live the way he proposes without the modern worlds structures. I will keep looking around at other gurus ideas for the perspective it provides but this place makes perfect sense to me and in just a month i feel like ive improved my health drastically i think this will be my home for the future i foresee.

Thanks for the response steve! Im glad to hear it sounds like im doing it right for the most part, thats unfortunate you cant afford grass fed it is alot more expensive even for the cheaper cuts. Im suprised you dont get sick of eating 90% organs in your diet! I think they taste really good on occasion but i couldnt base my diet around them without feeling sick i think. Thats interesting about the fruits it seems like ive read things of that nature around that there more meant to be eaten less toxins than vegetables, but at the same time it seems like the low amount of vegetable toxins is healthy so its confusing. Do you ever ferment fruits or vegetables?