I cant say that i know a whole lot of science about it, but i feel that the sun is very important to our health. Not only does it feel great to lay out in it but it helps the acne on my back too, my skin on my face is crystal clear all of the time i dont think ive had a zit since starting rpd, but my back on the other hand still experiences cystic acne, not as bad as before, but still definitely there. However when i went on vacation last august with my family i went tubing for 3 hours and got very sunburned on my back and the next day my back acne was very near completely gone, im sure some redness would have been visible if not for sunburn but my acne is the kind you can feel as a lump in the skin and my back was completely smooth. I think that the reason my back still has acne is the lack of sun and air exposure. I tried to sit outside for 30 minutes to an hour most days last summer and it helped but i still had acne, this summer i hope to sit out for an hour most days and see if i can get all of my acne cleared.

I know the sun can cause cancer but isnt the primary food for cancer sugar so wouldnt a balanced rpd diet help limit the risk? Im not sure but i guess time will tell haha

wondering why the inclusion now of the greens or onions?

I feel that a large part of it may be simply a desire to have more variance in my diet as it was getting kind of monotonous since my supplier for meat has been out of lamb and goat for several months, but partially ive been looking at my digestion sometimes with all meat my stomach would get upset i would be nauseas starting an hour or two after a meal on occasion for no apparent reason as most of the time with the same foods i would feel great, but now if that happens i normally can eat something like green onions just 3 of them or so and it fixes it very quickly. Also my poops though for a long time they were getting to be formed better as zero carb went on they started to be more wet and they just were not improving anymore, but since adding the greens there now very well formed much more consistently.

I imagine beef cheeks are similar to beef tongue. If so, how do you eat so much? I tried cutting up the tongue into small pieces. It took forever to cut and then chewing each small piece also took an enormously long time. What's your strategy?

In what form do you get your fat? Sliced or grounded? Again, I wonder with envy how you manage to eat such great quantities?

As far as beef cheek goes i actually have yet to try tongue so i cant make the comparison there but i really love beef cheeks they are a very tough piece of meat but they are very flavorful. I normally just slice off pieces with a knife and chew and swallow like i would with any other muscle meat though haha i use a serrated knife and pick up the cheek then push the knife through in between my fingers and slice it apart while i hold it in the air as opposed to slicing it from above while its on the plate. I dont know if that makes the difference but it never takes me very long at all really maybe 30 minutes if i had to guess and im normally taking my time at it.

With fat i get it as frozen vacuum sealed blocks of sliced back fat, i will say there is a tremendous amount of variance with the fat i get and that has a lot of effect on how much i can eat at once. My number 1 favorite kind of back fat is golden yellow with black/brown webbing on the surface i assume is blood vessels or something of the like, its almost always incredibly rich and flavorful its what i crave most but i cant eat too much or i feel sick. After that i also really like the white/yellow fat with similar webbing its normally very desirable in flavor as well but not quite as rich i can eat a lot of it at once and its totally fine. Then sometimes i get fat which is very very white and is much drier and doesnt really have much flavor honestly, this fat doesnt really bother me at all its not like suet where its so dry and crumbly it just sticks in your mouth but the best things i can really say about it are that its fat i can eat that doesnt repulse me. The only kind of fat i really dont like is a pale yellow and appears very very smooth in its consistency, whenever i chew it its almost squishy and the flavor really puts me off though i can let it warm up to room temperature and then its not bad normally all other fat i love straight from the fridge.

I dont know if any of those descriptions made much sense or were very helpful, i definitely have to recomend back fat over suet very strongly though as ive never been able to eat suet i threw out 16 pounds because i needed the room in my freezer for other meat and i didnt have time to make soap or candles. I also have to say i cant imagine ground fat is very good at all, honestly ground meat in general is the bane of my existance i ordered 4 pounds at one point because it was cheap and i ended up feeding half of it to my dog it was just like mush like i didnt find the flavor desirable and i just need something i can chew.

I cant say for sure its gotten better since going zero carb but i know its gotten better since going raw in general, ive felt really good since going zero carb in terms of overall health i have a lot of energy and my digestion has become very regular i have almost no flatulance and my stools have become well formed again i got a little bit of diahrea when i started for the first couple weeks but that has ceased.
I do plan to continue cutting down on caffiene i think plants can still be medicines and teachers but coffee isnt really either too me at this point i would rather be tired when i should be and have energy when i need it than rely on it for such things.
I will look into the brain fm sessions, i have been making a good attempt to being meditation back into my life in more parts of the day i generally will meditate before sleeping but rather than maintaining the last bit of awareness im of course just trying to let go entirely, it definitely has helped me a lot in being able to sleep when i want though and i know its an extremely benificial practice in many ways.
How does one feel after 5 days of fasting im sure it wouldnt be as hard as it would seem at a certain point but having only gone maybe 20 hours fasting at the longest it seems like it would be a very powerful state? Im sure you would stop being hungry and perhaps have energy but i would think your mind would be all over the place theres no way i could go to work during something like that

That sounds like a good idea with the saline solution, thats awesome the doctor was interested in doing a more natural treatment as opposed to some things they could have done.
Ive never had a stie but ill definitely keep in mind if it were ever to occur i feel thats good information to be out here it could definitely help someone, i wonder by what method it was able to get rid of it.
I just woke up today and my eyes feel and look a lot better i can rub them and they are sensitive but its much less so than yesterday morning and last night, and most of the swelling seems to have gone down as well. I just continued using diluted vinegar over the course of the day and it seems to have helped.

Thanks everyone for your suggestions they are greatly appreciated, if theres any reasurgance of the issue ill try out some of the other methods and let you know how they work

Ill definitely check in with a docter tomorrow if the situation has gotten worse hopefully the swelling will have come down by then, thats interesting about the fasting i have heard things like that before, i would find it very difficult to go that long i think though, the longest i think ive fasted recently is 20 hours most days ill fast 16 for intermittent fasting. Ill keep in mind looking into some essential oils, would those be used topically after being diluted or internally?

Really though arent they just going to give me localized antibiotics if i go to an doctor? Its only been going on for two days i applied more diluted acv and the swelling has gone down

I dont think this is the exact article i read but its something,

-https://www.google.com/amp/s/arstechnica.com/science/2017/03/neanderthal-teeth-tell-tales-of-diet-and-medicine/%3famp=1

It talks about more than one specimen with one being meat heavy and the other eating primarily vegetation, one thing in common however is they both eat mushrooms. I think it speaks that the one that was eating predominately meat free also had a dental abcess and bad bacteria in their colon, but mushrooms i think can be a boon for good health.

I like to think im relatively in tune with my body now a days, i definitely would never go back to the way i lived before, cooked paleo was one thing but eating all the SAD things i used to rely on my entire time growing up was one of the most destructive things i never knew i was even doing to myself for the longest time.

Ive kept strong with the raw foods but ive had trouble finding too much variety that sounds appealing, ive just been eating carrots, beets, tomatoes, mushrooms, garlic, ripe home grown peppers and then im making sauerkraut currently too.

 Does anyone think its a coincidence that all the things that are appealing to the palate have higher quantities of sugar as well? Like i feel as though if it werent for the sugar such vegetables would taste just like more bitter ones like the crucifers, i dont know if they really still have less antinutrients as well or not, i know tomatoes supposedly have a lot of lectins which arent good but they taste pretty good raw and have less sugar than fruits. I dont necessarily think all sugar is a bad thing like if it were entirely toxic to the human body i cant fathom why it would taste so good to us obviously it isnt all bad, but it would seem that all the cultivated fruits i have access too have much more sugar than they would wild and arent great for my digestion. Im just curious if something more bitter such as kale leaf would necessarily be a bad thing, I did actually have a good time passing myself today so i feel with the roots things may go well but i would like more variety if i can find it.

On the topic of high meat do you guys think the risk is actually that high? Like ive only been sick once in the past year i have a good immune system which im sure improved each day with raw foods i would feel like the worst thing that could come of it would be a purge if your body really didnt want it, that is interesting though that robinlove was trying it and then just dropped off the radar, i would feel like if she had a terrible reaction we would have been the first to hear about it once things cooled down though. Though i do believe that eating rotten meat frequently or in quantity could have negative results to ones health i can see how doing it seldomely could be benificial. Honestly the high its said to produce sounds intrigueing ive actually eatan mushrooms on more than one occasion and it generally results with positive change in my life like a reset button on the consciousness. I read somewhere on here about a person who was new to the raw diet and they ended up having there intestines colonized by some sort of bad bacteria and had health reprecussions causing them to give up on the diet, but people were saying that it probably colonized the fresh meat in her fridge first and it just got bad from there, this has kept me cleaning my fridge once a week or two weeks but even if i ate some high meat and had negative consequence it wouldnt scare me from the diet i know this is the way to go. Im not necessarily jumping to try high meat i havent made any preperations yet but i would give it a chance at least once.

That makes sense that feeding the ducks that way has effects down the line as well. I know that organic meat means nothing ive avoided anything that isnt grass fed or pasture raised i actually just placed an order for this next months meat and i got some more variety, i ordered beef again but also duck, lamb, and some pork not too much of any one thing as i want to see how i like the other meats.

 One thing i was reading i worry about slightly however, i order all my meat from white oak pastures and though their beef and lamb are 100% grass fed it says theyre pork is offered peanuts as supplement and both their pork and poultry is offered grain and soy supplements. This was almost a deal breaker to me in terms of getting variety but it says free choice and so i would hope they arent eating a substantial portion of the feed in their diet, but i should probably work harder to find a local farm for meat other than beef or lamb. Part of what makes it hard is they have better prices than the truly local farms i called before i found them online and i only work at starbucks even from them a substantial amount of my income goes to food.

That was an interesting read its definitely food for thought, im guessing you mean to point out the healthful effects of many strains of bacteria in general in relation to high meat or is the one they mentioned likely to be present in meat as well? I have yet to make the jump to trying high meat im sure i can find details as to how to do it right in previous threads here but one thing i read someone say in passing before is that the bacteria in high meat wouldnt be the ones that are actually useful in eating fresh meat, i dont know how much that makes sense to me but i suppose that the organisms are benificial regardless if so many people claim positive effects from the consumption of it.

Thank you for bearing with me and the various questions i feel more sure of what im doing and i plan to continue on from here truly raw in terms of food with the exception of coffee and espresso, i know i should do something about those factors as well though i dont know if im ready to give it up yet.

Ive never actually met a militant vegan in person, but of all the ones i have known the only caveat of their diet has been the exclusion of animal products none of them have ever been actually healthy in any way. It could be just my age group maybe older ones with more on the line make an attemp at something someone could at least be logically misled to think is healthy, but they almost all have still subsisted on grains and processed foods like vegan cinnamon rolls except for one that i currently work with who eats lots of soy and legumes and potato.
I dont think that theyre bad people for the most part but i think theyre horribly wrong and i would rather eat feedlot meat than be a vegan any day i think that the best cant be the enemy of the good, i dont think theres any possible way to live a vegan diet long term without suffering and i believe that eachs own personal health should be the top most priority you have, and as bad as it may sound even if it might be at the expense of animals locked and caged in their own feces. I was eating slightly over a pound each day of feedlot brisket or chuck for months before i finally switched to grass fed and though it is terrible what they do to the animals and we need to do something to fix it if i couldnt afford 10-15 dollars a day for quality meat i would still take lesser quality meat over soyburgers and pounds of beans.
Vegans say that their way would end world hunger but the only crops which would feed everyone and the growing population would simultaneously destroy our health as well as that of the land through cash cropping leading to soil depletion, i think it would be short time before the right disease came along and just wiped everyone out. One cow could feed an average family for months on months if we're not throwing away all the fat and 'undesirable' parts. What we really need to do is focus on developing mixed farms on larger scales that can provide healthy happy meat which simultaneously fertilizes the land to grop quality plant foods, any vegan who has a problem with killing an animal for food which has lived a fulfilling life prior is in denial of their own human nature and the nature of life on this earth.

Im glad to know freezing shouldnt be too detrimental to the benifits of the meat, i would consider investing in my own fridge at some point where i could adjust the temp and hang everything but at this point in time ive got a lot of bills that are going to take up most of my free money so it may be a good while.

I do agree variety is most likely important though i do enjoy beef quite a bit still. I left out that ive been buying wild caught fish about once a week as well ive had raw swordfish, salmon, tuna, octopus, and black drum with swordfish being my favorite. But i worry about eating some other land animals raw still i know its said that its really no cause for concern some of the things such as liver flukes or trichinosis but at the same time i havent pushed the envelope yet. Ive had raw lamb but only from tom thumb which gets its grass fed meat from australia and i dont know how i feel about it traveling so far and being raised in unknowable conditions, i could order pasture raised pork or a variety of different birds duck or turkey or chicken, do you eat white meat of birds or do you mostly favor red meat of goats, lamb, pork and beef?

I will order some bone marrow this next shipment but it seems like its a lot more expensive than the back fat at 6 dollars a pound including bone weight compared too 3 dollars a pound for the pure fat, i have had cooked grain fed marrow and i really liked that but it seemed really hard to scoop out before i cooked it will grass fed marrow be easier to extract without heat? Also do you worry at all about your omega balance? I could get pork jowls for only 2 dollars a pound which ive never had but appear to be mostly fat, but if im following the logic of the 3-6 balance then would it be bad to eat it too often or is that not really an issue when your not oxidizing your pufas cooking them?

What your saying about vegetables is interesting if im not misunderstanding you your saying that overall theyre likely going to be a net loss of nutrtion as opposed to a gain, would you say thats in all amounts or is there a low quantity which may be benificial that can be determined by taste and what about lactofermented vegetables?

On the topic of fruits do you avoid the ones that are highly modernized or shelf ripened such as apples? I do really enjoy plums and cherries i wouldnt mind going back to eating more fruits like i used to and seeing if i feel better with them. But at the same time i feel as though fruits are an addictive food for me and i feel that isnt a good thing, i think i used to be insulin resistant as well and so that partially is what led to me cutting consumption, but at the same time if you listen to ray peat supposedly fruits are the best thing for your thyroid and so im sure theres a balance that is good. Not that im saying i listen to ray peats advice i think alot of what he says is totally crazy and hes just a sugar addicted old man, but at the same time even though i would never try and eat the way he prescribes doesnt mean i dont think there are some gems to be learned from him.

I appreciate you anwsering my questions i respect your opinion quite a bit from the posts of yours ive read! i hope that im not too varied on what im asking that i should be starting a new topic i look forward to hearing back from you whenever your time permits

The first thing i want to say is greetings to all of you and thank you for everything youve made this place to be! Ive been browsing this forum for maybe 2 months now and this is the first post ive created.
For the past 3 years ive been on a health journey which started with little improvements going onto mostly cooked paleo for the whole last year, though i felt a lot better eating cooked paleo i still could tell that something was missing. Ive been dealing with hemorroids that started while i was working at a mexican restaurant and eating a lot of fried foods as well as mounds of nuts when i wasnt working, i stopped eating the fried foods around 10 months ago and i quit that job entirely around 8 months ago but up until around 5 months ago i would still gorge on nuts from the grocery store bins. I know about the huge amounts of rancid omega 6 they likely contained and i could feel how terrible they were for me i would get terrible gas and stomach bloating and my hemorroids just wouldnt heal so i gave up the nuts and for that last 5 months my diet consisted of about a pound of muscle meat, several tablespoons of either butter, coconut oil, or olive oil; and large quantities of organic vegetables of all different varieties, as well as maybe 1-2 fruits each day. But my problem was the hemorroids still wouldnt heal and i just still wasnt abounding with energy like i knew i could be i knew something still wasnt right with what i was doing but i didnt know what. I knew that i needed to have alot of fat in my diet but i didnt feel the fats i was eating were of enough quality to get 70% of my calories from and so i experimented with bringing up the amount of starches i consumed from sweet potatos but that just made matters worse. I actually at this point read about sabertooths story in vice online and also about the adventures of stefansson in the arctic before i found this place and browsed through a good quantity of information you have here.
Starting on june 7th i basically jumped right into the world of raw meat and i havent looked back since, i truly for the first time can eat and feel like im just given incredible amounts of energy. ive been ordering all my meat online its all grass fed pasture raised beef, basically my diet each day now consists of: Black coffee unsweetened upon waking up but otherwise fasting until sometime in between 3-6, at that point i eat around a half a pound of raw beef usually chuck, rump, or shoulder, and about 1/3 a pound of raw beef back fat. After this i usually wait until around 10 at night and i eat another portion of similar quantity of both beef and raw fat then 1-2 hours later i eat more raw fat but this time mixed into a bowl of some microwaved broccoli or kale thats also containing raw garlic, either green onions or regular ones, and raw jalepeno or cayanne from some plants ive grown. I dont know the exact amounts of what i eat because i never actually measure anything but im pretty positive i get at least 95% of my calories from raw beef and fat. I also incorporate organs several days a week switching between liver, heart and pancreas. Ive felt really great doing this but i still have a few concerns and this is why i make this post.
1: all of the meat and fat i eat has been frozen i dont have the room in the fridge to hang my whole months worth of meat as i share the fridge and this is also the way it comes to me, is the meat being frozen entirely detrimental to ones health do i need to seek a farmer nearby and get fresh meat even though it will cost more? If you all think i would see much more improvements in health eating unfrozen then i will find a way to make the logistics work but it would be rather difficult.
2: do i need to have more variety in the kinds of fats i consume is having the foundation of my diet raw muscle and back fat dangerous long term? I have about 15 pounds of suet in my freezer but i literally cant stand the stuff unless i warm it up, its just so waxy and flavorless compared to the back fat thats chewy and creamy and melt in my mouth, but is this because the back fat is more pufa than the suet an is that an issue or no because it should still have a balanced 3-6 ratio?
3: though all my meat is entirely raw i dont like most cruciferous vegetables that way they taste so much better cooked, i know most people here recomend omnivorous over carnivorous but what kinds of vegetables do you eat raw? The only ones i really enjoy raw are cauliflower, onions and carrots, though i also like mushrooms raw, i would be open to eating more fruit but at the same time it seems like sometimes it causes me more digestive issues.

I really love eating this way and i dont plan to go back to eating cooked paleo my primary concern is trying to heal my digestive system and i suppose my colon as of right now, ive contemplated going zero carb but if my problem is simply that the vegetables im eating are cooked not raw ill switch to entirely raw omivore instead and see how it goes. If it helps to know some backround on physcial characteristics im ~150 pounds, 5'10'', 20 years old, male, and very active i workout around 3 days a week with weights and walk 3 miles a day 6 days a week, i dont need to lose any weight and im not really trying to gain any more muscle than i already have i just seek healing and immunity from the ails of the improper human diet.
I apologize in advance for this wall of text or if this wasnt the best place to put this! Hopefully i didnt beat around the bush with unimportant information too much i look forward to hearing back from some of you.