Well if you actually read my post you would understand that I am referring to health that allows for the best in the individual's performance, not in comparison to other athletes. Therefore, it is a direct measure of personal health. Check and mate.

One that allows peak cardiovascular and strength performance, without drugs.

why don't you go tell native tribes to stop doing grotesque piercing too while you're at it?

"Who here hasn't gotten some type of mood benefit or gained better overall emotional health on this paleo diet?"

I found that ZC didn't benefit me in this regard. I now believe ZC is an idealized diet like 811 but in the opposite spectrum.

proteus u sound depressed

my two cents: RUN RUN FAR AWAY FROM ZC it was a disaster for me

I agree that those ingredients are atrocious, but through a feeding bag, what sorts of things do you have access to substitute that? If you remove the relatives feeding bag you would be in a lot of trouble from many people around you who will have a problem with that ethically and otherwise. It is a very frustrating position indeed but unless that patient is consciously asking for alternative treatment, the situation will be very hard to change.
The other thing with traumatic brain injury is that miracles are apparently truly rare. A person in a coma for more than 2 months has a very slim chance of ever waking up. SO, at some point (after several months) I guess one must face the painful question of whether keeping the patient alive through a feeding tube is truly really beneficial to the patient or more beneficial to the relatives who are not ready to let go. Its a tragic subject.

"remember that it has not just nutrients but animal starch."


uhhh.... animals have glycogen not starch

I guess the danger with this type of thing is to have yourself be made into an non-self-intended spectacle.

OK, so when I first embarked on ZC, I held the assumption that I need not be afraid of consuming any amount of fat (in the form of beef backfat) and weight/adipose gain wouldn't be an issue. I figured appetite would guide my instincts on when to stop eating and such.

I tried it both ways, high fat and moderate protein, and moderate fat and higher protein. Here's what I found:

High fat/ moderate protein: WEIGHT GAIN. But great sustained energy. Body deviates from being lean.
Amount eaten (probably 1/4 pound fat to up to 1 pound chuck meat)

High protein/ lower fat: Weight gain also.... because I ended up eating a lot more meat because my appetite wasn't fulfilled as quickly. Eenergy did not last as well throughout the day.
Amount eaten (probably 1/7 pound fat to up to 2 pounds chuck meat)

If I eat NO meat and STRAIGHT fat, I can only stomach about 1/7-1/8 pound maybe? It doesn't taste too good by itself and appetite is killed fairly quickly. Perhaps I should eat fat until my appetiete is slightly killed, then consume the meat?

Bottom line is, I'm wondering what the latest agreed general consensus is on fat and meat ratio... There are some contradictory info in the Journals... For example, Lex states high fat causes weight gain for him. Kristel's journal begins by reflecting the same opinion, but then her last posts before she went inactive in 2008 states she advocates HIGH fat.

My experience with raw paleo ZC has been weight gain ONLY, I have not lost any weight at all... I don't really like to keep gaining endlessly if it it isn't lean mass. Am I just eating too many calories? WHat do I need to do to get a balance between energy and relative leanness?

Any inputs appreciated...

I don't agree that its a failure to have an optimal bias.

For example, a person depressed can be thinking that people around them are focusing on their weakness or "defect" (whatever that may be) when in reality, no one is doing that. People are too busy with their own lives. So in this case, the depressed person is viewing the world with the distorted reality, not the other way around.

Depression is not strictly psychological.

Diet plays quite an important role. As far as diet goes I would suggest not doing ZC, and make sure you are getting the essential vitamins. Avoid/limit sugar in most of its forms at costs. Stay away from processed food. (Things most people on the forum do already but anywho...)

Otherwise:

* When you feel ready, work with a physician to wean off the medications.
* Watch comedy shows and or movies and things that make you laugh everyday.
* You have to stop waiting for "your calling" in life to be revealed to you. Opportunity doesn't seek you. YOU seek it. This means that you have to set your own goal for yourself and go after it. This realization was the biggest turning point for me in the past. DO whatever it takes to accomplish that goal. Start small, then gradually work big. You will gain confidence, and with that comes hope for the future. Without hope for a better future, depression will seem never ending.

Dima, hoping for the best for you. If you feel the need to discuss anything, feel free to PM me.
Regards,
Ray