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Here's an article claiming that Neanderthals died even younger than late-palaeo Cro-Magnon:-

http://blogs.sciencemag.org/newsblog/2009/02/nasty-brutish-and-short-neande.html

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Suggestion Box / Forum policy
« on: January 16, 2010, 05:34:55 pm »
On another RVAF diet group it is apparently forum policy not to discuss anything illegal(the topic had been about smuggling in fruit or dairy in a particular US state). I view this as ridiculous as we should not consider ourselves bound by stupid outrageous laws designed to prevent us from eating healthy raw foods. So if you want  to discuss getting round bans on raw dairy or whatever, feel free to do so.

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Suggestion Box / Spelling Mistakes
« on: January 13, 2010, 03:24:27 am »
I just did a quick check of some of my earlier articles on rawpaleodiet.com and noticed a few spelling-mistakes in 1 article. Now, these mistakes were made due to the speed of my writing rather than any error(I happen to be a former prize-winning spelling-bee at school!), but I would appreciate it if readers notice such things and report it in this forum, in future. Thanks.

In the meantime, since I seem to be the primary contributor, I'll make a pledge to deliver the Cordain paleodiet critique within a week or 10 days. More to follow, after that(I've somehow managed to delete the half of my Cordain review I had before, so this will all take  a lot of time).

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Off Topic / Healthy food in space?
« on: January 13, 2010, 02:50:45 am »
One of the biggest hurdles in the RVAF community, I have always felt, was the fact that NASA and similiar space agencies always loved using highly processed foods for their astronauts.  Now, here's an article where they've finally grasped the possibility of using healthier foods for the astronauts:-

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/6967327/Michelin-stars-for-space-station.html

Of course, they haven't got to using raw yet. However, I always recall that one of the biggest benefits re raw animal food diets was that I stopped experiencing muscle-wastage. I wouldn't be surprised, therefore, if the less processed a food is in space, the less muscle-deterioration an astronaut experiences within a specific time-frame.

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Off Topic / The Evil of Supermarkets
« on: January 10, 2010, 07:49:12 pm »
Here are 2 articles , one on the dire state of British farming and one on the desperate need to encourage the production of local food, not food transported across the seas for 1000s of miles:-


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/agriculture/farming/6958013/The-dairy-farmer-reduced-to-tears.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/6958025/Is-this-the-end-of-food-as-we-know-it.html

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Off Topic / Sinister UK attempt to control our food-supply
« on: January 06, 2010, 02:51:44 am »
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/6932602/Restaurants-and-takeaways-to-provide-health-warnings-on-menus.html

Note that the godawful creep in charge is a vegetarian.  I greatly fear that there will be taxes on meats in the future. At first, there'll be only taxes on unhealthy meats, but it'll eventually cover organic/grassfed meats as well.

The whole article is deeply sinister - at first glance, there are some good signs such as trying to get restaurants to offer only free-range meats /sustainable fishing(which is a joke as farmed fishing reportedly indirectly ruin wild fish).But it's clear that there is a deeply sinister vegan-based attempt to wreck our food-supply. Yes, I know I normally loathe most conspiracy theories, but this is self-evident, with a vegetarian Minister, Climate-change advocates, and PETA etc. all aligned against us.

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Off Topic / Political Spectrum Poll
« on: December 30, 2009, 11:38:05 pm »
Well,  I think, I've covered most, if not all possible options. How would you vote? You have 2 votes to cast, in case you feel split between 2 options you want both of.


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Off Topic / Raw palaeo toughness
« on: December 30, 2009, 11:23:31 pm »
OK, here is a poll determining how far people are willing to go with the rawpalaeodiet. You are allowed up to 5 votes, potentially.

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Hot Topics / Bacteria protect against diabetes etc.
« on: December 28, 2009, 08:03:27 pm »
Here's a link:-

http://www.aussmc.org/good_bacteria_diabetes.php

which claims that bacteria protect against type 1 diabetes. Of course, it also says the usual rubbish about eating fibre-rich foods, but at least it admits that raw mother's milk is the best probiotic food helping to counter diabetes type 1.

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Off Topic / The Gods Of The Copybook Headings
« on: December 28, 2009, 01:22:00 am »
I once published Rudyard Kipling's poem "If", here on this board. A more famous poem of his is "The Gods Of The Copybook Headings". It refers to the copybook headings British schoolboys wrote, which involved quotations from famous people as headings. This thread is therefore for people to post their favourite quotations as they come across them through life. As this is the start of the thread, I will post the full version of Rudyard Kipling's "Gods Of The Copybook Headings" as my first quotation:-

"The Gods of the Copybook Headings

AS I PASS through my incarnations in every age and race,
I make my proper prostrations to the Gods of the Market Place.
Peering through reverent fingers I watch them flourish and fall,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings, I notice, outlast them all.

We were living in trees when they met us. They showed us each in turn
That Water would certainly wet us, as Fire would certainly burn:
But we found them lacking in Uplift, Vision and Breadth of Mind,
So we left them to teach the Gorillas while we followed the March of Mankind.

We moved as the Spirit listed. They never altered their pace,
Being neither cloud nor wind-borne like the Gods of the Market Place,
But they always caught up with our progress, and presently word would come
That a tribe had been wiped off its icefield, or the lights had gone out in Rome.

With the Hopes that our World is built on they were utterly out of touch,
They denied that the Moon was Stilton; they denied she was even Dutch;
They denied that Wishes were Horses; they denied that a Pig had Wings;
So we worshipped the Gods of the Market Who promised these beautiful things.

When the Cambrian measures were forming, They promised perpetual peace.
They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would cease.
But when we disarmed They sold us and delivered us bound to our foe,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "Stick to the Devil you know."

On the first Feminian Sandstones we were promised the Fuller Life
(Which started by loving our neighbour and ended by loving his wife)
Till our women had no more children and the men lost reason and faith,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "The Wages of Sin is Death."

In the Carboniferous Epoch we were promised abundance for all,
By robbing selected Peter to pay for collective Paul;
But, though we had plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "If you don't work you die."

Then the Gods of the Market tumbled, and their smooth-tongued wizards withdrew
And the hearts of the meanest were humbled and began to believe it was true
That All is not Gold that Glitters, and Two and Two make Four
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings limped up to explain it once more.

As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man
There are only four things certain since Social Progress began.
That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,
And the burnt Fool's bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire;

And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,
The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!  " Rudyard Kipling.


I love this poem as there are so many loaded connotations re the horrors of gun-control etc.

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Display Your Culinary Creations / Muktuk Photo
« on: December 27, 2009, 08:44:47 pm »
Here's a photo of rotting whale blubber(or "muktuk") a traditional Eskimo dish which the latter prefer eating raw:-

http://www.birds.cornell.edu/bigyear/photo-gallery/alaska/MuktukSlice_Vyn.jpg

 I'll be putting it on rawpaleodiet.com sooner or later.

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Vitamin C is key to creating stem cells
Vitamin C could be used to overcome hurdles in creating stem cells for treating human diseases, scientists believe.
 
Published: 5:00PM GMT 24 Dec 2009

The vitamin boosts the reprogramming of adult cells to give them the properties of embryonic stem cells.

Scientists who made the discovery believe it may help them overcome long-standing problems in creating the reprogrammed cells, called induced pluripotent stem cells (iPSCs).

 


Embryonic stem cells have to be extracted by cannibalising early stage embryos obtained from fertility clinics. IPSCs, on the other hand, are made in the laboratory from ordinary adult cells by altering their genes.

Many experts believe iPSCs are the future of stem cell medicine, since they behave in a similar way to embryonic stem cells and are also capable of developing into a wide range of tissues.

The conversion of ordinary cells into iPSCs is highly inefficient and difficult to achieve. Often the cells age prematurely and stop dividing or may die, a process known as senescence.

Adding vitamin C to the cell cultures was found to hold back senescence and make reprogramming much more efficient.

Experiments with both mouse and human cells showed that the vitamin accelerated genetic changes and boosted the transition to a reprogrammed state.

Dr Duanqing Pei, from the Chinese Academy of Sciences in Guangzhou, who led the research, said: ''The low efficiency of the reprogramming process has hampered progress with this technology and is indicative of how little we understand it.

''Further, this process is most challenging in human cells, raising a significant barrier for producing iPSCs and serious concerns about the quality of the cells that are generated.

''Our results highlight a simple way to improve iPSC generation and provide additional insight into the mechanistic basis of reprogramming.

''It is also of interest that a vitamin with long-suspected anti-ageing effects has such a potent influence on reprogramming, which can be considered a reversal of the ageing process at the cellular level. It is likely that our work may stimulate further research in this area as well.''

The research is published online in the journal Cell Stem Cell.

Vitamin C's powerful antioxidant properties may be the reason why it assists cell programming, the scientists believe.

The vitamin neutralises damaging molecules called reactive oxygen species (ROS) that are believed to hamper the generation of iPSCs.

But this cannot be the whole story, since other antioxidants do not appear to have the same effect.

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Suggestion Box / Further rawpaleodiet.com updates
« on: December 23, 2009, 01:48:50 am »
I'm just writing this down for memorisation re updating for  rawpaleodiet.com. I really need to add that article by randy Roach about raw-food-eating bodybuilders of the past. There's still the tedious book-reviews I have to do re taubes/price/the half-finished Cordain piece etc. - terribly boring stuff which I can only face if I steel myself to stay up a whole night to do each book review. I think I'll add some (or most) of the info for newbies threads, maybe in more completed/expanded form on rawpaleodiet.com(I'm surprised they haven't been viewed that much on this forum, so far)

Other than that, I could make a link to the "what are you eating?" thread as it's very useful.

I have no idea what to put in the exercise section. Perhaps an article or two emphasising the superior strength/physical fitness of Neolithic and Palaeolithic peoples by comparison to modern man(that trireme article, for instance). Possibly some articles on bodyweight training( I don't imagine that weight-training can really be viewed as "palaeo"). The news/updates section is only for major overhauls of the site, I presume.

Feel free to comment or suggest other additions to that site.

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Important Info for Newbies / Abbreviated Terms Used By Rawpalaeos
« on: December 21, 2009, 11:46:06 pm »
SMD= Standard Modern Diet
RPD = Raw Palaeolithic Diet
RVAF diet= Raw Vegetable and Animal Food Diet.
HC= High Carb.
AGEs= Advanced Glycation End-Products.
ALEs= Advanced Lipoxidation End-Products.
PAHs= Polycyclic Aromatic Hydrocarbons.
NSAs= Nitrosamines.
HCAs= Heterocyclic Amines.
AV= Aajonus Vonderplanitz.
PD= Primal Diet.
GCB= Guy-Claude Burger.
WAPF= Weston.A Price Foundation.
SF= Sally Fallon.
LC= Loren Cordain
WP= Weston-Price.
RAF= Raw Animal Food
HG= Hunter-Gatherer
SAD= Standard American Diet
LC= Low Carbohydrate
VLC= Very Low Carbohydrate Diet
ZC= Zero-Carb Diet(ie all-animal food diet).

PD= Paleolithic Diet.

IF=Intermittent Fasting.

SFAs= Saturated Fatty Acids.

PUFAs=Polyunsaturated Fatty Acids.

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Hot Topics / Interesting youtube video
« on: December 18, 2009, 03:44:06 am »
I've often made fun of Aajonus' "coyote experience" given that it is so unlikely. However, 1 guy, a fan of AV on the other group, posted a youtube video of a photographer who talked about meeting a leopard seal who kept on offering him penguins to eat:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxa6P73Awcg

Despite this video, I still don't believe a word of what Aajonus claimed re the coyote "meeting" or other supposed "mystical" experiences. I mean, Aajonus clearly was trying to attach a religious-like emphasis to the story(ie adding the theme of fasting in the desert(much like Jesus' 40 days/40 nights; and then there's the classic theme of humans being fed by canines(remember the Romulus/Remus myth?); not to mention the obligatory pseud mention of encounters with Native American chiefs and the Inuit(very fashionable since the movie Dances With Wolves).

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Off Topic / Fasting diet
« on: December 16, 2009, 03:11:05 am »
Reading the article below has made me realise that I need to advise caution when recommending even small fasts or Intermittent Fasting. Some people simply can't handle even those kinds of fasts, and longer fasts are even worse in this regard:-

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/12/15/very.low.calorie.diets/index.html

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Off Topic / New RPD term
« on: December 11, 2009, 07:26:16 pm »
We all know the various terms used for raw, palaeolithic diets such as RAF/RVAF etc. I've just discovered a new one:- "paleo hygiene":-

http://naturalhygienesociety.org/review/0601/food2.html

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Hot Topics / Interesting cooked-palaeo blog
« on: December 11, 2009, 07:04:52 pm »
Interesting blog which seems to confirm my past point that caloric-restriction/fasting's main benefit is the reduction of cooked foods(and therefore a reduction of intake of heat-created toxins such as AGEs etc) in  a SAD-eating person's diet, as opposed to just fasting in general:-

http://paleocron.blogspot.com/2009/11/cr-high-dietary-ages-longevity.html


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Hot Topics / New Cordain Newsletter
« on: December 08, 2009, 06:14:00 pm »
Well, this current claim  is heavily disputed within the RVAF community, and even I don't believe in it , but here is Cordain's latest newsletter:-

 "The Paleo Diet concept lies in its ability to simply uncover apre-existing diet – a universal diet and dietary characteristicsconsumed by all humans until very recent times. The notion that omega3 fatty acids promote health (as demonstrated in the scientificliterature) is quite recent – as recent as the past 30 years. Thenotion that high protein diets may prevent disease and promote healthand well being is newer still. Further, the recognition that dietaryacid/base balance has anything to do with optimal health is barely inits infancy. Virtually, without exception, each and every one of theseso-called nutritional “discoveries” in the scientific literature aretreated cautiously, as if they were curious anomalies, rather than thepredictable and highly probable findings that they actually are – hadonly the evolutionary template been employed. In this and subsequent Paleo Diet Updates I will comment upon thelatest scientific findings which increasingly lead to the inescapableconclusion that the evolutionary basis for human nutrition representsthe grand unifying theory the discipline so sorely lacks. Recent Scientific Findings: Acid/Base Balance One of the major nutritional characteristics of ancestral human dietsthat have been almost totally ignored in both the lay and scientificliterature is acid/base balance. Pick up the latest best selling dietbook, be it a reincarnation of Dr. Atkins Diet Revolution, The SouthBeach Diet or whatever, and I can guarantee you that it will not eventouch upon this crucial concept. Briefly, let me review the basic concept. All foods upon digestionreport to the kidney as acid, base or neutral. Acid yielding foods areall cereal grains, meats, cheeses, fish and salt. The only baseyielding foods are fruits and vegetables1, 2. Fats, they typicallydisplace base yielding fruits and vegetables, they are partiallyresponsible for the net acid load in the typical western diet3, 4.There are a number of adverse health effects either partially orwholly caused by a net acid yielding diet including: osteoporosis,hypertension, stroke, calcium kidney stones, age-related musclewasting, asthma and exercise-induced asthma2-6. For more informationvisit: http://www.thepaleodiet.com/nutritional_tools/acid.shtml. In the June issues of both the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition7and the Journal of the American College of Nutrition8, two articleswere published that reinforce the concept that net base yielding dietspromote strong bones and may prevent bone mineral loss andosteoporosis. Study #1 In the first article7, the authors report the osteoporosis preventingbenefits of high intakes of fruit and vegetables in a cross sectionalstudy of 125 girls and 132 boys between 16 and 18 years of age, 120young women between 23 and 37 years of age, and 70 men and 73 womenaged 60 to 83 years. Increasing consumption of fruits and vegetableswere associated with greater whole body bone mineral densities in theboys and girls aged 16 to 18. In the older women 60 to 83 years ofage, greater fruit intake was associated with a greater bone mineralcontent. No statistically significant associations were found in theyounger women or older men between bone mineral measurements andconsumption of vegetables alone. Strengths: This study is rigorous for two reasons. First, actualweights of fruits and vegetables were assessed using a 7 day fooddiary and secondly bone mineral data were carefully adjusted for bodysize using dual energy X-ray absorptiometry (DEXA) machines. Withoutadjustment of body size, DEXA measurements may not truly be reflectiveof bone mineral content or density. In many dietary studies foodintake is compiled not by daily diaries, but rather by 3 day recalls –a process which is notoriously inaccurate. Weaknesses: This experiment is classified as a cross sectionalepidemiological study. All epidemiological studies cannot show causeand effect between diet and disease, but rather only associations.Fruit and vegetable eating is associated with enhanced bone mineralstatus, but we cannot conclude from this epidemiological study thatfruit and vegetable consumption causes greater bone mineral health. InNew York City, there are always more fire trucks at bigger fires.Hence, more fire trucks are associated with bigger fires, but morefire trucks do not cause bigger fires. Conclusions: As far as epidemiological studies go, this is a great onepointing in the direction that fruit and vegetable consumption mayimprove bone mineral status, but further, more powerful dietaryinterventions (in which fruits and vegetables are actually fed tohumans and markers of bone mineral health are measured) will berequired to make a stronger case. Study #2 In the second article8 researchers led by Bess Dawson-Hughes at TuftsUniversity in Boston conducted a dietary intervention in 40 healthymen and women over age 50. For 60 days, the subjects were put oneither a high fruit and vegetable diet (base yielding) or an acidyielding diet in which cereals replaced fruits and vegetables. Thesubjects consuming the acid yielding cereal diet experienced increasesin serum PTH (a hormone marker of increased bone breakdown), a loss ofcalcium in the urine and increased bone breakdown. Strengths: In order to show cause and effect between diet and disease,scientists utilized 4 procedures: 1) epidemiological studies, 2)tissue or in vitro studies, 3) animal studies, and 4) human dietaryinterventions. When there are discrepancies among the various types ofexperiments, human dietary interventions represent the "trump card,"and these results prevail over the other procedures. This studyrepresents the first long term (60 day) human dietary interventiondemonstrating that an increased dietary acid load promotes changes inblood markers of bone breakdown. Weaknesses: To conclusively demonstrate beyond a shadow of a doubtthat net acid yielding diets promote bone mineral loss in humans, thissame experiment should be carried out over a longer period (1 to 2years) and actual changes in bone mineral content (as measured by dualx-ray absorptiometry [DEXA] machines) should be made, along with theblood markers of bone loss that were measured in this study. Conclusions: The study represents the most powerful experiment to dateshowing that dietary acid/base balance is crucial for long term bonemineral health in humans. Despite this evidence, the notion of dietaryacid/base balance has been completely ignored by the USDA in their MyPyramid Dietary Recommendations for the US public10 and by virtuallyall of the best selling diet books. Perhaps it is high time that theevolutionary basis for optimal human nutrition be incorporated as akey component when making public dietary recommendations. Osteoporosis is a huge health problem world wide, afflicting 1 in 3women and 1 in 10 men over the age of 55 years9. In the US 10 millionAmericans have osteoporosis, and costs are estimated at $17.9 billionannually9. Healthcare practitioners and the general public need tounderstand that there is more involved in the prevention ofosteoporosis than just calcium intake and vitamin D."  Ken

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