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Primal Diet / New community website
« on: October 04, 2009, 10:40:53 pm »
There's a Primal Diet-oriented community website/forum etc. on this link:-

primaldietfriends.com

It's closed and requires an invitation and a supplied code.

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Suggestion Box / More additions
« on: September 23, 2009, 05:22:07 am »
I'm now seriously planning to do a hygiene/lifestyle thread for newbies. I'll recommend my own suggestions but I will add any other suggestions from others.

What I use:- organic tea-tree deodorant(kills bacteria).

2) Mouthwash(full of chemicals)

3) Dental floss sticks for removing bits of meat from my teeth.

4) Soap(normally use the cheaper soaps, don't bother with organic or whatever as I generally dont' mind as long as it doesn't get into my digestive system, just on my skin).

5) I use speacilised herbal toothpaste(antibacterial).

6) I also sometimes use a deodorant product  called "Trust" antibacterial deodorant, which is herbal-based and lasts for several days after use.

7) I don't bother with shampoo except perhaps once every few years on a whim. My hair can get greasy very easily after eating any cooked animal fat, but since I so rarely eat such fare these days, and my hair tends to self-clean itself quite quickly so  it's not an issue.

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Suggestion Box / Further suggestions wanted
« on: September 17, 2009, 05:02:30 pm »
This is a new thread where people can post any suggestions they have  re improvement of rawpaleodiet.com and this forum.

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General Discussion / Iris colour change on a raw animal food diet
« on: September 16, 2009, 04:16:32 pm »
I'm curious to know whether others have also experienced iris colour change like me. Please state what particular foods were related to any iris colour change(could well be that no particular food was responsible) and say what your original iris colour was and what it now is, if there was any change. For example, consuming dairy rapidly darkened my normally brown irises to an almost coal-black state over the years pre-rawpalaeodiet, my irises then changed to green or greeny brown on the outside with dark brown in the centre after a c.3 years into rawpalaeo, with only very small changes in iris colour since then.

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Hot Topics / The dodgy Weston Price
« on: September 12, 2009, 07:20:32 pm »
Here's a text I copied from the other rawpaleodiet (yahoo group) which points out the some of the flaws in Weston-Price:-

Here's a report re Incas and tuberculosis found pre-contact:-


http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0205/feature5/index.html

Here's a study showing tuberculosis across pre-Contact America:-

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1580139

Here's a link re Inuit and disease in pre-Contact times:-

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/74885/abstract?


There are many other issues, of course, Weston-Price did a whirlwind tour

http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/holisticdent.html

around numerous native tribes and made wide-ranging assumptions that these
native tribes all had supposedly perfect diets, despite the fact that those
native tribes' diets varied very widely from each other. Then he made arbitrary
claims that all criminality was caused by diet and Pottenger even made some
dodgy claim re homosexuality being caused by poor diet(yet current studies show
homosexuality as being present in some species in the wild despite having great
diets). One of the worst and most fraudulent)claims that Price ever made though
was that he had temporarily improved the mental retardation of a Down's Syndrome
patient solely through surgery - which is ridiculous as Down's Syndrome's mental
impairment is due to genetic factors re faulty cell-division etc.:-

http://pediatrics.about.com/od/birthdefects/f/down_syn_causes.htm

So, anyway,the worst claim Weston Price made was the supposed perfect health of
native tribes in pre-Contact times. He claimed that they were decimated,
population-wise, by health problems after abandoning their traditional diets and
taking up Western-style diets. Yet, when one actually looks at the evidence, one
finds that native tribes actually died very quickly as a result of
settler-introduced diseases like smallpox , well before they ever adopted
Western-style diets by 19th/20th century times. Ironically, I even found that
Maori health/lifespan actually improved considerably only after they adopted a
western diet c.1900

http://www.abc.net.au/rural/events/ruralhealth/2005/papers/8nrhcfinalpaper00603.
pdf

http://www.nzbr.org.nz/documents/publications/publications-2006/maori_eco_develo
pment.pdf

I am not denying that Weston Price contributed a lot of positive information re
diet in many ways, but it is highly misleading for people to cite Weston Price
and claim that cooked foods are healthy as long as they are not too processed.
In fact, if one reads Weston-Price more carefully one finds that the healthiest
tribes he visited all incorporated a degree of raw animal food into their diets,
hardly an endorsement of cooking. Plus, there are other factors, it's been shown
that reducing the amounts of AGEs in the body can be done by adopting caloric
restriction(AGEs are short for "advanced glcyation end products", 1 of the types
of heat-created toxins produced by cooking food)- and it is well known that
native tribes did not have a constant food-supply and were routinely subject to
caloric restriction at times, thus helping them to ward off, to a partial
extent, the more serious negative effects of a cooked diet. An additional point
is that these native tribes did huge amounts of exercise each day, quite unlike
most Western contemporaries(except Olympic athletes), so were able to partially
protect themselves against cooked diets as a result. Here's a study of the Masai
which shows atherosclerotic tendencies in that tribe, somewhat mitigated via
exercise:-

http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/95/1/26

Excerpt:- "The coronary arteries showed intimal thickening by atherosclerosis
which equaled that of old U.S. men. The Masai vessels enlarge with age to more
than compensate for this disease. It is speculated that the Masai are protected
from their atherosclerosis by physical fitness which causes their coronary
vessels to be capacious. "

Geoff





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Off Topic / Inflammation linked to Alzheimer's
« on: September 12, 2009, 07:15:07 pm »
Here's a New Scientist(2-paged) article on the direct link between inflammation and Alzheimers'(and we all known about the link between cooked food consumption and inflammation):-

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20327253.700-new-look-at-alzheimers-could-revolutionise-treatment.html

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Suggestion Box / Spam post removed
« on: September 12, 2009, 04:47:04 pm »
I've just removed 2 blatant spam posts advocating some cooked/processed "palaeo treats". IMO, we should NOT allow  promotion on this forum unless the foods are both raw AND palaeo(obviously if people ask on the primal diet forum where to buy raw dairy and the like, that is permissible, but the above website couldn't fit into any of the forums, really).

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Off Topic / Cordain palaeo newsletter
« on: September 12, 2009, 04:37:15 pm »
Human growth hormone (GH), as you might suspect, is necessary for childhood and adolescent growth. Youthful levels of GH promote a healthy metabolism and an optimal ratio of lean muscle tissue to body fat.

Among adults, GH deficiency is associated with excess body fat, and a decrease in extra cellular water volume1. Those with GH deficiency may also have a lower bone mineral content, lipid abnormalities, decreased insulin sensitivity, and decreased fibrinolysis1. The process by which a fibrous protein (fibrin) involved in the clotting of blood is broken down is known as fibrinolysis.

Lipid refers to a fatty substance in the blood. A lipid disorder increases your risk for atherosclerosis, and thus your risk for heart disease, stroke, high blood pressure (or hypertension), and other health problems.

Reasons for growth hormone deficiency

Several studies have shown that the amplitude of GH pulses (GH is released from the pituitary gland in a pulsatile manner2) is reduced for both men and women as we age3.

For men, GH secretion declines 50% every 7 years beyond 18-25 years of age2. This aging effect on the 24-hour mean serum GH is twice as great for men as it is for pre-menopausal women, so estrogens may limit the decline in GH2.

Obese individuals, however, show profound suppression of GH secretion at any age2. Poor nutrition, inadequate sleep, and lack of physical fitness can also contribute to a decline in circulating GH that is independent of age4.

Risks of growth hormone therapy

GH replacement injections can cost up to $10,000 a year. Unfortunately, such GH treatments have been linked to increased risk for developing soft tissue edema, joint pain, carpal tunnel syndrome, and gynecomastia (abnormally large mammary glands in males)5.

Safer, less expensive alternatives

There are healthier and less costly ways to increase your GH levels. These include weight management, exercise, healthy sleep habits, reduction of high-glycemic-load carbohydrates, and specific nutrients.

The Paleo Diet can be very helpful for increasing GH levels. This way of eating maintains the correct balance of calories from carbohydrate, protein, and fat to improve blood-lipid profiles, and lipid abnormalities are associated with GH deficiency. This balance also reduces your risk of heart disease, stroke, and high blood pressure because a lipid disorder increases your risk for atherosclerosis.

Emulating the amount of daily energy that our hunter-gatherer ancestors obtained from carbohydrate, protein, and fat also helps you to feel fuller, and burn more calories. This is key to managing your weight, and obesity can suppress GH secretion at any age.

Other aspects of the Paleo Diet also help with weight management. The diet supplies nutrient-dense foods, while avoiding refined grain, sugar, and vegetable oil. Although these offer few vitamins, minerals, or phytochemicals, they contribute more than 36 percent of the energy in the average American diet.

The Paleo Diet also offers another key strategy to help maintain optimum weight and increase GH levels. It reduces high-glycemic-load carbohydrates that contribute to obesity and suppress GH secretion.

While GH deficiency is associated with below normal bone mineral content, the Paleo Diet helps to reduce the risk of osteoporosis. By maintaining an optimum sodium-potassium ratio, the diet not only reduces the risk of osteoporosis, but that of hypertension, stroke, kidney stones, gastrointestinal-tract cancers, and asthma as well.

Specific nutrients shown to increase GH levels

Even a relatively small amount (2,000 mg) of the amino acid glutamine has been shown to boost plasma GH levels6. Glutamine occurs naturally in many Paleo Diet foods, including meat (3 ounces of meat contain 3 to 4 grams of glutamine), fish, and eggs. Glutamine is also highly concentrated in raw cabbage and beets. Be aware that cooking can destroy glutamine, particularly in vegetables.

Another amino acid, arginine, can increase the release of GH when the body is at rest. Combining arginine intake with exercise boosts GH levels even more7.

High in protein, the Paleo Diet supplies many protein-rich foods that contain arginine. This includes eggs, meat8-10 (grass-fed beef, chicken, lean pork, turkey, and wild meat), nuts, (almonds, Brazil nuts, cashews, coconuts, hazelnuts, pecans, pinenuts, pistachio nuts, and walnuts), seafood (salmon, shrimp, and tuna), and seeds (flax, pumpkin, sesame, and sunflower seeds). Raw garlic, onion and watermelon also contain arginine.


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Off Topic / Challenge to out of africa hypothesis
« on: September 09, 2009, 05:05:24 pm »
I've always argued that the multiregional hypothesis was far more correct than the out of africa theory. Here is an article featuring the discovery of hominid ancestors outside Africa(in Georgia). Now, granted, they claim that once Homo Erectus originated in Eurasia, they then emigrated to Africa before setting out again. A very unlikely scenario, but , probably, they don't want to challenge the out of africa theory outright until more hominid skulls are found elsewhere:-

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/a-skull-that-rewrites-the-history-of-man-1783861.html

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Off Topic / High fat diet effect on cognition
« on: September 08, 2009, 04:37:46 pm »
Here's an interesting article on the negative effects of (cooked/processed) high fat diets:-

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/08/090811143548.htm

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Off Topic / Non-diet-approaches
« on: September 03, 2009, 09:41:32 pm »
I have an interest in other non-dietary methods as they've been useful in the past. I've for example tried subliminals fromThinkRightNow, c.3 years ago, which helped(no other subliminal products helped, though).

I'm curious as to what others have found out re non-diet approaches. After all, diet can't teach us how to make a million dollars or invent something new or whatever, it can only help our nutritional health. So, other approaches are required for other matters.

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General Discussion / Commercial lamb note
« on: September 02, 2009, 03:58:09 am »
Just checked the wikipedia entry for omega-3s and it confirmed what I'd thought, that most commercially-raised/nonorganic-raised  lamb is fed on grass. The US is the only exception as they generally feed them on grains etc.:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega-3_fatty_acid


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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Exercise Study
« on: August 31, 2009, 07:52:52 pm »
Given past dodgy claims by Gary Taubes that exercise doesn't help re health, here's 1 study that proves the opposite:-

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/6114544/Brisk-daily-walk-can-halve-risk-of-dying-for-elderly-men.html

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Suggestion Box / Brilliant!
« on: August 27, 2009, 05:20:40 pm »
I don't know who persuaded him(perhaps GS?) but, after a whole year of trying to get rawpaleoforum and rawpaleodiet.com  listed on the massive "PaleoDiet" archive website (in the mailing-list section)(see below), the website-owner put them up(I think I checked only a couple of months ago and it wasn't there). Anyway, this should prove a massive boost re membership, over time, as the above website is THE main resource-page for (cooked) palaeolithic diets, and most of our members either come from a raw vegan/fruitarian background or a cooked palaeolithic diet one, for obvious reasons. This is a major coup!

http://www.paleodiet.com/#maillist

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Hot Topics / Study on harmful effects of cooked low carb diets
« on: August 25, 2009, 07:31:18 pm »
Here's a study in the daily telegraph newspaper on the harmful effects of cooked low-carb diets:-

 Home ScienceAtkins-style diets can clog up arteries, claims study
Atkins-style low carbohydrate diets made popular by their celebrity disciples may clog up arteries and lead to heart disease, a study suggests.
 
By Richard Alleyne, Science Correspondent
Published: 7:00AM BST 25 Aug 2009

The weight loss regimes are popular because they allow followers to fill up on proteins like red meat and cheese as long as they avoid carbohydrates such as pasta, bread and potatoes.

The slimming plans, followed by the Hollywood actress Renee Zellweger and the singer Geri Halliwell, seemed to offer the holy grail of dramatic weight loss without the sacrifice.

But there have been claims in the past that they are bad for your health, make your breath smell and can even lead to memory loss.

This latest research on mice suggests they could also double the chances of developing atherosclerosis, a clogging up of the arteries that can lead to heart attack and stroke.

The findings also showed that the diet led to an impaired ability of the body to form new blood vessels and therefore recuperate after a heart attack.

The researchers concluded that the diets “could be having adverse cardiovascular effects” on those who follow them.

Cardiologists at the Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center at Harvard University decided to research the health affects of the diets after treating followers for heart attacks.

At the height of their popularity in 2003 an estimated three million Britons were thought to be on the Atkins Diet.

In order to determine the effects on humans, the study, published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, tested two different diets on mice in the laboratory.

The first were on an average western diet of 43 per cent carbohydrate, 42 per cent fat and 15 per cent protein and the second on a low carbohydrate, high-protein diet of 12 per cent carbohydrate, 43 per cent fat and 45 per cent protein.

After six weeks those on the low carbohydrate diet had nearly double the clogging of the arteries (5.4 per cent) compared with the normal diet (2.2 per cent).

The difference was maintained after 12 weeks, with the mice suffering 15.3 per cent and 8.8 per cent clogging of the arteries.

A control group of mice on a high carbohydrate diet – making up 65 per cent of calories – suffered the least furring of the arteries.

The study found that the increased risk came despite normal indicators of heart disease risk, such as cholesterol, being unchanged in the animals fed the low-carb diet.

“It’s very difficult to know in clinical studies how diets affect vascular health,” said Professor Anthony Rosenzweig, Director of Cardiovascular Research at BIDMC.

“They tend to rely on easily measured serum markers [such as cholesterol], which have been surprisingly reassuring in individuals on low-carbohydrate/high-protein diets, who do typically lose weight.

“But our research suggests that, at least in animals, these diets could be having adverse cardiovascular effects that are not reflected in simple serum markers.

“This issue is particularly important given the growing epidemic of obesity and its adverse consequences. For now, it appears that a moderate and balanced diet, coupled with regular exercise, is probably best for most people.”

Last year the All-New Atkins Advantage diet was launched which claimed to offer the same weight loss without the health worries.

Even though it relaxed the rules, it still relied on ketosis - where the body breaks down its own fat because it is starved of carbohydrates.

   
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/6081712/Atkins-style-diets-can-clog-up-arteries-claims-study.html

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Off Topic / Disgusting things people do
« on: August 24, 2009, 06:22:09 pm »
I just went to Hampstead Health to swim in the outdoor pond there on the Saturday, and as usual went to pick some wild blackberries from various bushes in the park. Imagine my horror to find that there was some bog-roll left at the bottom of 1 bush I'd been picking from. Absolutely disgusting how people are prepared to ruin the environment! It's 1 thing when some sick degenerate drunkards go in for pissing and defecating on the backberry bushes present in some outdoor London railway stations but when it happens in a park, it's just foul.

I also wonder if any degenerates ever piss in the pond I'm swimming in(there is a loo right next door, but you never know).

It all just makes me despair. I enjoy swimming in pristine ponds and the like but when there are sick people willing to piss etc. in such places, one realises just how far we've sunk as a species.

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Ultimate Martial Arts
« on: August 22, 2009, 01:27:19 am »
I'd like to restart martial arts after a very long time away from Judo(I was a green belt). I like Judo for the hefty exercixse involved(it's like wrestling), but I'd also like something more combat-based, these days.

I've heard lots of good things about Brazilian Ju-Jitsu, but have also heard of how Ninjutsu-practitioners(led by Hatsumi) beat them hollow in Japan in those trial-fights that the BJJ guys like to setup to "prove" the superiority of their art. I'm certainly not in favour of any too specialist martial arts like taekwondo(too focused on the legs) or self-defence(like aikido). I want to kick someone's butt!

I've also heard of Krav Magna but it sounds too Israeli-specialised or whatever.

Anyway, any recommendations/suggestions?

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Primal Diet / Aajonus New conspiracy theory
« on: August 18, 2009, 07:21:47 pm »
Just got this e-mail from Aajonus re a new conspiracy theory re swine flu and vaccines:-

 Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:53:51 -0700
 From: optimal@earthlink.net
 To: optimal@earthlink.net
 Subject: H1N1 (Swine) Flu Vaccine Linked to Killer Nerve Disease GBS - British Govt leak
 
 In secret letters, the British government warned British neurologists of
 the potential danger from the vaccine. British neurologists say we
 should be duly concerned and decline the flu vaccine.

 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1206807/Swine-flu-jab-link-killer-nerve-disease-Leaked-letter-reveals-concern-neurologists-25-deaths-America.html
>

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Suggestion Box / Added review of Ray Audette's book "Neanderthin"
« on: August 18, 2009, 04:25:57 am »
OK, here is the link to my review of ray audette's book "Neadnerthin":-

http://www.rawpaleodiet.com/87/

Comments and suggestions, of course. Please keep an eye out for spelling-mistakes.


At this stage, it would be best if the next future book reviews are of Vonderplanitz's books as they are more central to a raw animal food-based diet.

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Off Topic / NHS attacks
« on: August 13, 2009, 06:52:26 pm »
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100006347/america-doesn%E2%80%99t-want-the-nhs/

Anyone been reading up re the attacks on the Biritish NHS by the US?

It's interesting. They do have a point re the abominable queues at british state hospitals, and the fact that the US health system is so bad that higher insurance premiums for the middle class won't solve anything(it hasn't for the British, at least).

Of course, private healthcare is an option but only if you're always healthy. if you get a problem and start claiming you end up either having to pay vastly higher insurance or you are prevented from claiming health-insurance coveering your past condition ever afterwards.

By contrast, the German and Austrian health-services are amazing. No queueing of any sort I could see, and professional behaviour  etc.

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Suggestion Box / Added review of Stefansson's book
« on: August 13, 2009, 06:04:05 pm »
This is just a note to  say that I've put my review of Stefansson's book "Not By Bread Alone" on rawpaleodiet.com. Here is the link:-

http://www.rawpaleodiet.com/75/

I can't claim to be a great literary critic so this is not comparable in quality to the times literary supplement in content but it addresses the main points of the book and encourages people to read the book before trying this diet. Given that a large part of the book is devoted to the rather obscure(and irrelevant to us) topic of  "The Pemmican Wars", I felt the need to leave that out, mostly.

I'll try to add my much shorter review of Ray Audette's book Neanderthin in a week or so.

In the meantime, let's hear comments, positive or negative. I will probably have to update it anyway, from time to time re addressing a couple of points.

The idea behind these reviews is to get people to read (most of) c.10 books which each cover a small part of raw, palaeolithic diet philosophy(there being no one book which is both raw AND palaeo). The books I have in mind are(feel free to disagree):- Ray Audette's Neanderthin, Loren Cordain's book "Paleodiet", Aajonus Vonderplanitz's 2 books, this book by Stefansson, perhaps 1 or 2 books by the (cooked, low-carb) Michael Eades,Weston-Price's Nutrition and physical degeneration book(going to take ages but I'll finish it eventually as it's a key work), and perhaps an Instincto book or two by Burger or someone else.

Obviously, any review of Burger would be best done by a Frenchman, I can do dr price's book as well(unless some masochist wishes to take on the job), GS could do aajonus Vonderplanitz perhaps(?). And so on...

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