Jessica, I googled "ms. average american" and this website came up of what the average face of women in different countries might be (images of 100 women put on top of one another). Definitely the dude that made it's fantasy I would think as they are all beautiful - but interesting.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1355521/Average-female-face-The-Face-Tomorrow-Mike-Mike-project.html

Now put them in those sweatpants and sneakers and put them in a competition! Any of those average women I think would beat Mrs. America hands down.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

shes not super model thin though, give her a break
but yeah i agree, she could use a little more butt, thigh and belly:)
and a little less dye and silicon:o

LOL - If she didn't have so much "dye and silicone" she wouldn't be Mrs. AMERICA!

Mosquitoes and what our relationship with them would be living completely in the tropics full time over years and in touch with our plant helpers is misunderstood.

In the tropics of America they would call you "new blood" Tyler. Everyone that visits gets eaten alive until their blood adapts and as you live there you get less and less bites over time ........ and that doesn't even take into account that you can eat plants that grow in the tropics that change the taste of your blood so that the mosquitoes basically leave you alone - or at least you don't even feel them. Whether or not we catch diseases from mosquitoes is also very much like Lowen talked about - if you are eating a raw appropriate diet you just don't get them. Just like dogs and wolves living in the wild don't get heart worm from mosquitoes like the pets that eat cooked bad food do. Next time you are going to the tropics - eat tons of raw garlic for a few months and your experience might be quite different.

The point you made about the Antarctic being extreme is a very good one. Perhaps we are or could get adapted to outside of the actual tropics. You and Zi made an excellent case for that. But I would add that if our bodies would get adapted to more cold over generations then the same argument holds true that we have gotten more adapted to NOT being in the cold - so still - in the present - not in the future - we are not adapted.

What question is Lowen asking? Is he asking if we could adapt outside of our already adapted range or what is presently our adaptation - generally - as a species - at present?

If you go further and include the mind and the ability to build shelters with tools and to use clothing as part of the adaptation then it is clear that our bodies using these have adapted away from tolerance of the cold as most of us would die very quickly without those if placed suddenly into a very cold environment.

Doesn't adaptation imply the environment that is most appropriate for a species? Just because something can be survived through doesn't necessarily mean it is the environment that best suits. We are an animal that so clearly adapted to be able to survive heat that the argument that we are adapted to survive extreme cold makes little sense to me. We stand upright because to release HEAT - hair only where it is useful in the HEAT and we sweat all over our bodies.

You don't like heat, but it doesn't mean that your ancestors weren't changed to tolerate it it perhaps you have made slight adaptions to living in slightly colder places than where we first developed - but generally - as a species - the weight of the adaptions ----- at present ------ go towards surviving heat rather than cold.

And there is a reason that to most people going on a tropical vacation is like going to paradise. You as an individual don't like it and there might be quite a few like you. My preference for warmth and your preference for cold and Zi's preference never to be outside of temperature control does not a species-wide adaptation make.

If you put half of our entire species as it is today in the extreme cold without clothing and no human tools and you put the other half in the tropics without clothing or human tools - in which environment would the most survive?

If you gave all the people a choice of which they could go to, where do you think the vast majority would choose?

The question isn't if some of the people sent to the extreme cold can survive or adapt over generations. The question is what are our bodies adapted to at present.

And of course, we do have our minds so can live just about anywhere - even in space - which might be fun to try one day too.

I read Howell's book a very long time ago H-I-R..... so long that I can barely remember anything in it, but it do remember that it was a fascinating read at the time.

It's funny how one thing can lead to the next isn't it? The internet has truly changed everything. There is now a forum for eating raw meat - who would have ever imagined?!
 

The American Budwig followers say that you can use cottage cheese from the store as did Budwig herself as it was the closest thing we had here because raw milk is largely illegal. I tried the cottage cheese on myself and it made me so sick that I didn't believe that it could work to heal anyone - especially my dog who was a raw foodist too. But when I figured out how to make the raw quark that Budwig would have used in Germany in the 1950's I was amazed how good I felt from it. The people that get cured using regular cottage cheese must have diets that are outrageously bad to begin with if that will help.

Enjoy researching - Johanna Budwig is a great story.

Does anyone here have any experience or knowledge of shark liver oil?

Zi - did you feel like you could do the same naked?

That's quite a testimonial!..... and really cool btw.    What was the temperature - do you know?

H-I-R - I did interpret Lowen's question asking if our BODIES are adapted meant just the actual physical self and not our intelligent manipulation of the environment. Of course we are adapted if you include central heating!   

I do think that the whole question is different if you are including the natural protections that animals use against the cold that humans wear. My ability to withstand the cold changed dramatically when I went all raw too Tyler..... but I still wouldn't want to sleep outside naked when it's so cold that water freezes and how low it can get below that in parts of the US. Going outside when it's 40 F and enjoying some fresh air is one thing - but all night naked in an upstate NY winter - not many if any can survive that. I can't imagine any modern human even eating all raw paleo for generations being adapted to that. Maybe certain ancient lines were adapted like the Neandertal, but my northern white and unfurry self would die quickly me-thinks. 

I think why they probably say it's easier to digest is because goat's milk is naturally homogenized so doesn't necessitate the extraordinarily deleterious process of homogenization like people think that cow's milk does.

Tyler - perhaps why so many love laying on the beach is because they are vit d deficient and it's the only time most people tend to touch their naked feet and bodies directly to the ground - and of course the negative ions and the cleansing nature of sea water. When I lived in the tropics I spent most of my time outdoors in the shade in the forest gardening and doing stuff. That sterotype of vacations is very different than an every day lifestyle.

Tyler - would you really like to sleep outside in freezing weather - naked? Brrrrrrrr. It was almost freezing here last night and I thought to myself that I was grateful to have a shelter. Yesterday I had to work on my Meditteranean chickens' shelter to make it so that their waddles and combs wouldn't freeze. They do better in the heat of the summer here but need protection in the winter - like I think humans do. Frostbite is a real thing.

Culture is a very interesting subject, because it is all learned.  We raw paleo people are getting back to living the oldest and truest culture for humans.  That said, I have always wanted to travel the world and have grand experiences with other people and cultures.  I can't really do that the same way now if I wanted to stay paleo.  Sure I could pack a bunch of pemmican but I wouldn't experience the other cultures in the same way.  But thats okay.  I'm cool with that for now.

Hey, anyone ever realize how the word 'culture' starts with the word 'cult'.

The way we will have to travel now Max is to meet up with other paleos around the world and have our grand experiences that way! The other way really isn't worth the cost.

........ and no ....... never noticed the "cult" in culture. That's a good word to look up the origins of!

It would be interesting to have the reference of this study, but anyway it’s absolutely plausible. GCB and his friends got very similar results with wheat on the mice they used for experiments. The males didn't only try to kill each other when receiving wheat, one succeeded and the other one was found dead in the morning. So, not only coffee perturbs the behavior, but also wheat and to a lesser extend other cereal grains, cooked food and dairy. Dairy and wheat contains exorphins.

That's extremely interesting Iguana. I wish I could give you a link for the study but I read it before there was even the internet. I guess if we might have to add dairy and wheat onto the list of "if only we could get rid of"s. 

Question for you Iguana - how does brown rice fair in the list of grains and their effects? Whole grain organic brown rice never affected me very badly - as far as cooked foods go.