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General Discussion / Re: Can we do without vegetables/greens?
« on: October 24, 2012, 12:53:50 pm »
Quote from: TylerDurden on October 24, 2012, 12:20:39 pm
Chlorophyll is useful to plants re photosynthesis, not useful to animals. Animal foods provide all the nutrients a human needs.

The proponents of green juice often glorify chlorophyll. I read somewhere that once upon a time medical doctors used chlorophyll to treat serious illnsses but later on abandoned the practice because chlorophyll loses its potency after a few hours.

Anyway, if animal foods do provide all the nutrients a human needs, I am content.  Thanks.


 
Quote from: TylerDurden on October 24, 2012, 12:20:39 pm
Few people care to eat raw broccoli or raw kale, for example.

I do not care about raw vegetables in general.  But I like broccoli stems (without the rough peels).

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General Discussion / Can we do without vegetables/greens?
« on: October 24, 2012, 11:27:56 am »
It seems many people on this forum do not eat much vegetables/greens. That goes against the popular diet recommendations which do have the support of much scientific research. 

Does animal food have all the nutrients that are in vegetables/greens? What about chlorophyll?

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General Discussion / Re: American Veterinary Medical Association voting against raw pet food...
« on: October 18, 2012, 12:51:30 pm »
I think they have to do that officially. If they officially support raw pet foods,  they could expect many lawsuits brought against them from pet owners who would claim their pets get sick from raw pet foods...for the sake of getting millions of $$$.

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General Discussion / Re: for Dorothy and other chicken-egg-experts
« on: October 09, 2012, 11:29:58 am »
Thank you, Dorothy. It sounds like you grew up in a chicke farm! ;)

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General Discussion / Re: for Dorothy and other chicken-egg-experts
« on: October 09, 2012, 03:35:30 am »
Thank you, Dorothy. I will try to pass your advice on predators to the farmer.

What does black sunflower oil (which the farmer feeds his chicken) do for the chicken?

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General Discussion / Re: for Dorothy and other chicken-egg-experts
« on: October 08, 2012, 12:11:16 pm »
Quote from: Dorothy on October 04, 2012, 12:01:13 am
If you can ask the farmers if there is a particular brand of food they feed because I know most of them. Also ask if they supplement with anything besides the feed. Some human leftovers can really increase the nutrition of the eggs - if it's good food with some meat in it that is. If the chickens get to scratch through a compost pile for instance that is a big plus. You also want to ask how many chickens get to forage over how many acres. I have known people to say that their chickens get to forage - but when you go to see it there isn't one stick of grass left and doubtfully one bug either.

You want the good egg shells even if you aren't eating the shells directly btw because shells are porous and will absorb toxins - especially if the bloom (covering the chicken naturally puts on the egg to preserve it) is washed off.

If the eggs never have any dirt or poopies on them I would start to doubt if they weren't at least wiped. Some farmers consider "washing" different than wiping with a wet cloth because selling eggs that are dirty could get them in trouble - so sometimes you have to press the point asking if the eggs are exactly as they found them in the nest. If the eggs are not washed you know of course not to put them in the fridge right? Putting eggs in the refrigerator changes them. If the eggs are unfertilized they will stay fresh longer.

There is a thread here about using eggs to make a supplement that you might want to search for as there were some negatives that you might want to be aware of. Are you just eating the shells or processing them in some way?

Dorothy, I obtained the information about the chicken/eggs of the farmer I purchase eggs from. He has 18 hens and 6 roosters although he is getting rid of some of the roosters. [He had dozens of chickens before but predators have kept getting them.] The chicken rotate to different plots of a grassland over 100 acres. [His chief business is raising sheep.] The chicken feed is organic feed from a San Antonio farmer who gets his feed from mid-west. There is no brand. Just bulk feed.  He also gives his chicken organic sunflower black oil. He gets only about 3 dozens of eggs each week for sale. He calls his eggs pastured fertile eggs. He wipes the eggs clean, which is OK with me.

How does this sound to you? I feel I trust this farmer.  If he passes your examination, then I will need to pray about the predators situation. I do not want all the hens getting killed.

If I wash the eggs and place them in the fridge, how long will they keep in the fridge?

I did not find the thread about the negatives of eating eggshells.

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General Discussion / Re: for Dorothy and other chicken-egg-experts
« on: October 05, 2012, 10:18:39 am »
Dorothy, I thought olive oil goes bad in room temperature?

The lemon juice recipe is from a Chinese website (but I made some changes). Lemon juice has to be very fresh or the eggshells will not dissolve. The glass bottle holding the mixture has to be tightly capped for 48 hours. I use juice of 12 lemons for 12 crushed eggshells. The mixture will produce bubbles right away as calcium begins to dissolve into lemon juice. After 48 hours you may start to drink the mixture. If you add icy water and honey, it will taste like lemon soda, quite tasty. The mixture may stay in the fridge for at least one week. I throw unresolved shells into my morning smoothies. One medium-sized eggshell contains 2 grams of calcium. The website says this is calcium citrate, the best calcium supplement.

Thank you for telling me to get eggs without chemical coating.

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General Discussion / Re: for Dorothy and other chicken-egg-experts
« on: October 04, 2012, 04:28:49 pm »
Dorothy, thanks for answering my question and sharing some more knowledge.

The farmers wipe their eggs, which is quite alright with me, for I use the eggs within a few days. Actually I am not sure I like to wash dirty eggs myself. I am a city girl you know.

I will ask one farmer (whom I prefer over the other) the questions you suggest next time I see him.

I cover  the egg shells with fresh  lemon juice and calcium will dissolve into the lemon juice and then I drink the lemon juice diluted with water. Sometimes I blend 1/2 shell with fruit.


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General Discussion / Re: How Dangerous are Cooked Paleo Diets?
« on: October 04, 2012, 04:02:55 pm »
I read somewhere that,  if  50+% of a meal is raw food (by calories I assume), then the body's immune system (white blood cells) will not react.

Just for damage control. I am not advocating cooking food.


I also read this somewhere:  The author's 80-year-old father was diagnosed with cancer. The father refused to go through the painful treatment suggested by the doctor. Instead, he went back to his old home in the countryside and pulled the vegetables growing in his backyard and boiled them as his main diet. He passed away peacefully at 94.

I think health is a combination of many things. Raw diet is very  important. But it is not the only thing.

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General Discussion / Re: How Dangerous are Cooked Paleo Diets?
« on: October 04, 2012, 12:22:47 pm »
Gently cooked greens is quite healthy IMO.  Too much cooked fatty grain-fed pork made me feel very bad.

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General Discussion / Re: for Dorothy and other chicken-egg-experts
« on: October 03, 2012, 11:19:58 am »
I visited a famer's market where two farmers were selling chicken eggs. Both farmers said their chicken free roam and are supplemented with organic feed without soy.  One farmer's eggs were about medium-sized. The other farmer's eggs were uniformly extra small.   Does the size of eggs mean anything?

I bought from both. I don't feel their eggs taste especially delicious. But that is OK. The important point that their eggs were unwashed and were not coated with chemicals. I am using the egg shells to make my calcium supplement.

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General Discussion / Re: clam and oyster have parasites?
« on: October 02, 2012, 11:13:07 am »
Dorothy, if you ask for it, the WF downtown store will order raw grass-fed beef liver for you. Call on Monday to place an order for the coming Wed.  It is frozen though. About $5 a pound.

The pork blood the Asian market sells is fresh raw blood by a Texan farm situated near Austin.

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General Discussion / Re: clam and oyster have parasites?
« on: October 02, 2012, 06:45:40 am »
Dorothy, thank you for your response.  Yes I think it might be worth it to eat grain-fed blood for a couple of months just to bring up my iron level. Actually I just bought some pork blood from the Asian market on North Lamar. A box (about one pound) of pork blood is $1.18.     BTW, how come this Asian market can get pure blood from the butcher in spite of the Texas law?   It appears very fresh, because some blood is still liquidy, not congealed.  There is even the name of the butcher on the box.  [Don't tell Texas law enforcers please. ;) ]

BTW, WF claims that their grass-fed beef from local farms has never been frozen.

Tyler, thanks.

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General Discussion / Re: clam and oyster have parasites?
« on: October 02, 2012, 02:46:07 am »
Quote from: goodsamaritan on October 01, 2012, 01:19:41 pm
Joy, all that meat blood plasma is good for you.  Helped cure my son's TB when he was 9 yrs old.

Try same day killed red meat unwashed, never refrigerated... Delicious.

Thank you. I will try to wash less.   I have been a cleanness freak all my life though. ;)
Quote from: TylerDurden on October 01, 2012, 03:16:50 pm
Actually, I found the Dune 1984 movie to be very uplifting. There were certain scenes such as these two which were just great:-

Dune - Shai Hulud - David Lynch



Re Fantasy:- Fantasy is a quite different genre from Science Fiction. Fantasy involves swords and sorcery, dragons and other  guff. There is also a travesty called "Science Fantasy" where the two genres are mixed in an unholy combination.

I see you have a scientific mind. I am a literary major and I just enjoy a good story. I cannot care less how the books are classified.  :)

By the way, I checked my city library's catelogue.  They have a number of books titled "Dune" by Frank Herbert but the books have different publishing dates (like one is 1984 and one is 2001...) Which "Dune" book are you guys talking about?

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General Discussion / Re: clam and oyster have parasites?
« on: October 01, 2012, 01:01:50 pm »
Dorothy, I did not get iron deficiency from RP diet. I adopted RP diet only this year.  I was on a near-fruitarian diet for years before that, which I think is responsible for my iron deficiency. I had my first physical one month ago and the doctor said I am excessively iron-deficient.  (I am fine otherwise.)   No wonder I have felt a lack of energy these past several years.

Is Dune a good science fiction? Then I may read it. I love great fantasy books.

I will go get ionic iron drop tomorrow.  Natural Grocer carries it.  An HEB pharmacist told me it is eaiser on GI than the pill form but it will still cause GI upset. I am going to try it anyway. If unfortunately I cannot tolerate it, I will devise other solutions.

I have been eating raw chicken hearts from Slankers. I am a cleanliness freak so I wash my meat well before I eat it--not much blood is left after the washing. Even if I could get raw grass-fed blood I would probably cook it.

I went to a farmer's market this morning and asked a lamb farmer what he did with his lamb blood. He said the butcher place got it. It sounded like it is illegal for the butcher place to give back the animal blood to the farmer. I wonder why.

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General Discussion / Re: clam and oyster have parasites?
« on: October 01, 2012, 02:14:07 am »
Quote from: TylerDurden on September 30, 2012, 09:44:35 pm

I should add that all humans already have natural levels of uranium in their bodies(along with tiny doses of all other elements). These microdoses are too small to have any effect on human health.

Really! I did not know that.
May I ask if your career is in the scientific field? Just curious.

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General Discussion / Re: clam and oyster have parasites?
« on: September 30, 2012, 08:59:54 am »
Quote from: Dorothy on September 30, 2012, 08:22:46 am
Joy - I mentioned hamachi when talking about Quality Seafood. My husband and I LOVE hamachi GS!
Nothing to do with iron Joy. Too bad there is no place to buy blood. That would probably fix you right up. ;)


Actually almost all Asian supermarkets (include the big one on North Lamar in Austin) sell blood. It is sometimes called "bloody tofu" in Taiwan. It tastes tasteless like regular tofu and one will have to add spices to make it taste good.  (I am talking about cooked dishes of course;  for generally speaking Asians do not drink raw blood. :o)  It is commonly eaten by Taiwanese. I actually used to like it (and still do  but I just do not eat it anymore because of concern for its cleaness.)   100 grams of pork blood contains 45mg of iron, which is twice the amount of  iron contained in liver (without Vitamin A overload) and it has other minerals in balanced amounts. One can eat a big bowl of it at one sitting .  It is considered a nutritious food item traditionally. 
 
 I have been debating with myself as to whether I should eat it for a couple of months (in cooked form, since the supermarket blood is from unhealthy chicken/pigs from crowded animal farms) just to bring up my body's iron storage.  Is it worth it? I mean to think of all the unhealthy stuff that might be in the grain-fed pigs...

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General Discussion / Re: clam and oyster have parasites?
« on: September 30, 2012, 06:15:32 am »
Dorothy, Thank you! I definitely must try ionic iron supplement.

GS, hamachi is called yellowtail fish here. I tried it a few times over the years but did not like it. But what does hamachi have to do with iron? It has 0 mg of iron.

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General Discussion / Re: clam and oyster have parasites?
« on: September 28, 2012, 12:43:13 pm »
Quote from: Dorothy on September 28, 2012, 03:45:16 am
Joy - I, nor anyone I know who has taken it, has ever felt digestive upset from ionic iron. I found something for you that might help you to understand iron better. Go to the second post - it's by Andrea - at the link below:
http://www.obesityhelp.com/forums/amos/4110318/low-iron-questions/

You give me hope!  Now is this ionic iron an over-the-counter medicine or do I need a doctor's prescription to get it?

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General Discussion / Re: clam and oyster have parasites?
« on: September 27, 2012, 10:36:47 am »
Thanks to all for good suggestions. I will keep them in mind.

Quote from: Dorothy on September 27, 2012, 04:53:11 am
If I were you Joy I'd get some ionic iron drops Joy. Iron is very hard for the body to absorb in any kind of pill form.

Will  this liquid iron supplement cause the same kind of stomach pain and cramps as iron pills?  Right now I am less worried about how much iron can be absorbed from a particular form of iron supplement than that  iron supplement irritated my stomach and bowels.   If any iron supplement has a reputation of not disturbing stomach/bowels, I will take it--it is better than nothing.


Quote from: eveheart on September 27, 2012, 09:24:54 am
I don't know Austin from a hole in the ground, but yelp came up with this one: http://www.qualityseafoodmarket.com/

The question with QUALITY SEAFOOD is its quality: Does it add preservatives to its seafood? Its website does not say it does not. I think that means it most likely adds preservatives.

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General Discussion / Re: clam and oyster have parasites?
« on: September 26, 2012, 10:27:43 am »
Many thanks to all who responded. Now I will try these shelled seafood... I hope I will find them palatable,


Dorothy, I seldom spend money at restaurants, now that I know how to be picky about the quality of foods--thanks to all you who are on this forum. Besides, I am already spending big bucks buying seafood from WF and I want to be a little bit frugal in other areas.  [According to my research, shrimps at HEB and Fiesta all carry preservatives. The shrimps at WF seafood counters do not have preservatives. So now I only shop most seafood at WF.]  Thanks for the Port A Cafe tip though. I will keep this in mind. If some day someone will take me there then I will know what to order.  ;)


BTW, do you guys  think one might absorb more iron from raw foods than from cooked foods?  It seems mission impossible to me to eat that much raw animal organ/clam  in order to take in iron in an amount that is  anything close to the 45 to 90 mg of iron (daily) my doctor prescribed. [I might eat one pound of cooked pork liver without distaste, but I could only finish a couple of bits of raw liver at one seating.]

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General Discussion / clam and oyster have parasites?
« on: September 25, 2012, 12:37:03 pm »
My doctor prescribes an iron supplement for me because I am excessively deficient in iron and he said I need to bring up my iron level quick. I tried 2 iron supplements and I could not stand the stomach cramps side effect.  So I am trying to take in iron through food.   My research told me that clam and oyster are exceptionally rich in iron. Now I have always had the notion that raw shelled seafood (clam oyster mussel) are particularly prone to parasite problems. I would lik to know the view of people here.

BTW, I know liver also carries a lot of iron. But I am afraid of Vitamin A overload. (My doctors wants me to take in 500% of RDA iron for several months). I also know chicken heart has a good amount of iron. But I have to eat well over one pound of chicken heart to come close to the iron contained in the iron supplement my doctor prescribes. I cannot do that everyday.

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Question about weight-lifting
« on: September 24, 2012, 11:02:44 am »
Quote from: cherimoya_kid on September 24, 2012, 10:40:10 am
Eventually, for many people, aging is going to make their joints more fragile and prone to overuse injuries.  It's important to be aware of that. 

My point is that static holds will let you maintain your exercise program much longer than moving against resistance.

An interesting point. Is it a well-proven point scientifically?

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Instincto / Anopsology / Re: GCB's book and questions about instinctive eating
« on: September 13, 2012, 12:22:54 pm »
Alright. I will go a step further and eat ony unfrozen seafood and see how I feel.  I guess I can afford it since I do not spend any money on medicine.  ;D   Thanks.

BTW, I do not believe my forefathers were apes. I believe I am the highest creation of the Almighty God. :D

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Instincto / Anopsology / Re: GCB's book and questions about instinctive eating
« on: September 12, 2012, 11:40:26 am »
Francois, Thank you for your kind reply.

I guess I could get unfrozen seafood as my city is not far from the Mexican gulf, although no doubt it will be more pricy than frozen seafood. So far I have only eaten frozen seafood. One reason is the price. The other reason is that I read that many times frozen seafood is tastier/fresher than never-frozen seafood, since never-frozen seafood may be several days old when it gets to the customer, while frozen seafood is likely to be frozen hours after they are caught from the sea.

What is the reason you do not eat frozen food? I understand frozen food only suffers minimal nutrient loss. And I do sense the "stop" feeling while eating previously frozen shrimps  these past two days.

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