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Journals / Re: Round 2: From addiction to recovery
« on: January 24, 2010, 11:13:59 pm »
However with this said I'm not sold that lvl's words are not inflamatory. Throughout this little ordeal she has not commented once on my approach to the situation. Instead of saying how she would have handled my specific situation she gave examples that I had already explained how I would handle. She gives me the impression that I handled my dinner situation incorrectly without telling me what I should have done. Perhaps she purposefully is not trying to validate my experience so that I do not have to rely on validation from others for support as is her contention that I get too much validation from others. Maybe shes trying to validate her own methodology of living by judging me.

If I had been in the situation I would not have said anything about the diet to these people

because of my personality

I'm not you

You did what you wanted to do and that's fine

I was suggesting another tactic, one that I'm more comfortable with and I explained why I prefer that

It's not up to me to validate or not validate you, which is why my comments are open-ended - take them or leave them. I deliberately avoid telling others what I think they should do or should have done.   

No harm intended.

General Discussion / Re: How to consume bones?
« on: January 24, 2010, 10:02:08 am »
Is there an advantage to eating bone rather than eggshell? Eggshell is easier to prepare

Hot Topics / Re: Probiotics?
« on: January 24, 2010, 08:47:25 am »
Is it the acetone kind of bad breath?

I don't know what could be done about that, or about the breath in general

My dog has gotten really foul breath since I quit feeding her veggies (she's now ZC), but she's also 12 and not in stellar health any more, I don't know if there's a connection

Good luck!

Journals / Re: Round 2: From addiction to recovery
« on: January 24, 2010, 08:01:57 am »
I didn't mean to derail you

You're moving through difficult times, admirably, looking after your health, that's what counts!


Journals / Re: Round 2: From addiction to recovery
« on: January 24, 2010, 07:37:28 am »
You avoided my question again. I appreciate your thoughts though I would have liked my question answered.

I didn't avoid your question, that requires intent  :) I missed your question, I'm sorry...

Is this your question?

For instance, when someone invites me to dinner I can simply say that I eat raw meat and can sit and chat with them which is a simple, reasonable and perfectly acceptable answer for most people. Or I can lie, evade the truth and have "integrity" and do what? Seriously what? This isn't a rhetorical question. What if I really don't want to eat anything they have to offer?

By integrity I don't mean "telling the truth," I mean "being true to yourself," which doesn't always mean saying aloud how you feel

As in "integrated"

Anyway, some specific examples I've used are (more or less):

At a party at someone's home:

I'm fine for now, thank you. What a great selection!

      (followed by some appreciative conversation about the food)

At a restaurant:

I'm just going to have a cup of tea, but do order what you like. I'm just not very hungry!

      (because I ate my raw meal at home before the occasion)

At a buffet:

      (I selected a small variety of foods and nibbled on vegetables, no comment necessary)

I also don't eat with others often because the eating together is a bonding event and if I don't participate it could be misunderstood. I suggest alternative activities, such as hiking or a visit to the park, or a visit between mealtimes. Sometimes I choose not to attend an food-oriented event at all with no hard feelings to anyone.

I'm not terribly social and don't have to deal with this often, so perhaps others could provide suggestions?

I hope this is the question that you meant, if not, please clarify

Journals / Re: Round 2: From addiction to recovery
« on: January 24, 2010, 05:53:54 am »
I really liked my explanation and I think I handled it quite well and proud of myself for speaking up. I suppose I want appraisal from others now, feeling a bit weak minded at the moment. I want others to see that I am right.

You don't have to have others to validate that you are right, that's what I meant. You can be right within yourself without needing to divulge anything - to anyone.

From my own experience, which may or may not be useful to you (I thought that it may be, which is why I offered it), it seems that you are leaning on others for help and it's great that you can and great that others help. However, I found that eventually it was time to "get on with life" and I wasn't ready for it; I didn't recognize any qualities of my own to build on. I had constructed my self-definition on others' validation/help. When I started making improvements in my life I would be shattered if others didn't really care or disagreed. Sometimes they were even harmful to me due to the power and information I had given them. I found that I needed to start keeping some things personal - not hidden, but precious. That's the "sacrament" aspect of eating for me. There are other areas of my life that are precious as well, also "sacred." Private.

So sometimes dinner should just be dinner. Sometimes everyone would appreciate some simplicity. Maybe this was not the case in the event you described. I wasn't commenting only on that incident, but in general. And generally beyond diet as well.

I'm not trying to provoke or be vague. I hope you have ease and health.

General Discussion / Re: Help with diet.
« on: January 24, 2010, 03:18:08 am »
I can't know what your health situation is, particularly regarding inflammation/endocrine function/metabolism... I don't even know what my exact situation is because I've had some physiological problems unrelated to diet

I will tell you about my reduction in carbs

I'm not eating only meat. I'm now eating 3 servings of fruit a day (actual servings, such as 1 small or 1/2 large banana). I was consuming 16+ servings of carbs a day in the form of dates, wine, bread, and fruit (along with some raw meat and fat)

I had inflammation of the gut and endocrine problems and wanted to get that resolved through diet

When I cut back I had headache, fatigue, trouble focusing my eyes, sweating, anxiety, heart palpitations, puffy eyes, and insomnia

I had to eat more RAF in order to compensate for the loss of calories from carbs

I got gall bladder twinges for a few weeks

However, despite this suffering, my gut improved, my mood improved, and my blood sugar stabalized. I would eat half an orange if the symptoms got too bad.

I'm still not feeling fabulous but I'm feeling much better. The symptoms subsided. I'm more tired than I was (I think my body is being required to actually digest now) and sometimes I still get low blood sugar.

There is a disagreement on this forum about how many if any carbs are healthy. I personally am following as closely as I can the Homo Optimus Diet ratio of

protein 1 : fat 2.5 - 3.5 : carbs 0.5

I also eat other low-carb plant foods that are close to this ration naturally, such as avacado and sunflower seeds. The only carbs I'm really eating are the 3 fruits a day.

I don't want to go deep into ketosis (fat/protein-based metabolism) because of my compromised health. I'm metabolizing fat and protein better now (as confirmed by the ketostix urine tests and my decrease in "induction flu" symptoms) but also can eat some fruit without a problem (1 serving with each meal)

I don't know if I'd be better off eating no carbs. Some seem to do well with zero-carb, others don't. Maybe I'll reduce carbs further in the future

My goal is to be well and continue to be active. I'm a 41 yr old woman. I'm not an athlete, a man, or young.

As a rule, i never trust anthroplogists, they continously come up with crackpot theories based on very little real world evidence

from David Macaulay's Motel of the Mysteries

Journals / Re: Round 2: From addiction to recovery
« on: January 24, 2010, 01:46:19 am »
There's a difference between "hiding" and integrity (interpersonal wholeness), which is what I meant to convey

The boundaries I meant are a matter of *allowing* yourself to be and thereby *allowing* others to be, not *holding in* information. Simply not disclosing because it's not necessary or relevant.

Ordering the same food, but not feeling that you have to justify or explain it... Doesn't mean anything except that you eat what you prefer, as others do...

Having a particular diet can be self-definition and social posturing in one extreme, or it can be a sacrament in the other extreme

These personal decisions usually fall somewhere in between for most people

Just food for thought...

Glad you enjoyed the yoga. An hour can be a long session. I've done Bikram yoga and enjoyed it, the climate enables metabolism and respiration to permit an uncommon depth (for those of us who do not practice in a jungle!)

Journals / Re: Round 2: From addiction to recovery
« on: January 23, 2010, 10:57:43 pm »
I don't seem to have trouble telling people I don't know about my diet ... standing up for what I am doing without having to ever go into an argument or getting defensive when I am challenged.

Another tactic is to keep it to yourself. If you are aiming for personality integration (as it seems that you are through your efforts to heal your addictions), you will have to reconcile your "place in the world" as well.

"You" are neither your role in relationships & society, nor the perceptions of others. Personality integration requires boundaries; enlightenment is the dissolution of the boundaries; but you can't do the latter without the former. Addiction is dependence on the external. To "break" addiction, you develop internally what you seek externally. Part of the challenge is realizing exactly what that is; the other part is the interior construction/deconstruction.

Give yourself the gift of some privacy. You are receiving a lot of help from others, which is fine, but you will have to develop your self-image independently if you want true healing.

It's brave and commendable to open yourself as you have. I'm just suggesting that you may want to use the diet as a healing tool psychologically as well as physically since nourishing yourself is the most intimate of acts and since raw paleo is unusual and bound to attract meddling attention.


PS: I hope the yoga class went well. It's a great way to learn about yourself!

General Discussion / Re: Best way to start eating raw meat
« on: January 23, 2010, 10:31:14 pm »
I also like my meat warm

Leaving the pilot light on in my oven keeps the temp at about 95 F,

I lightly salt my meat & put it in the oven for several hours until it's warmed through and dry on the surface


I'll bet there would be a lot fewer Americans becoming vegetarians and vegans if they heard about how to do it properly from cultures with a much longer history of the practice like Hindu vegetarians. :)

There is also a physiological conditioning required to sustain the yogi - yoga, in the true sense - which regulates breathing, heart rate & circulation, digestion, etc with biorhythmic focus; and the caste system provides social structure for the practice 

A yogi doesn't eat vegetarian/vegan and then go off to work under artificial light and deal with people all day, or jog a mile, or undergo pregnancy, or stay up late watching TV...

Welcoming Committee / Re: Saying hello as well
« on: January 23, 2010, 06:06:48 am »
Welcome, glad you're having success and comfort with paleo/raw paleo

I asked 2 different US vendors of grass-fed meat about why pet food meat was different from human grade meat and one said it was "scraps that could have been on the floor" and the other said it was "what was lying around," which I took to mean that it may have been unrefrigerated for awhile, or in an uncovered tub... in other words, meat that wouldn't pass inspection standards due to the handling of it.

Perhaps others have more enlightening information on the subject. I don't eat pet food meat, but my dog does (and likes it very much!)

vastly increased skull-size compared to the rest of their bodies

The size and configuration of a woman's pelvis is a critical factor for human birth

I'm not comparing human birth with *other* animal births, I'm comparing paleo, pre-modern and modern human childbirth

In any case, a nourished woman with a properly developed pelvis will have a better chance of ease in childbirth, so go paleo!  ;D

Women were more likely to die in childbirth in palaeo times.

Don't have any data on paleo childbirth, but apparently a properly nourished woman of good genetic stock (with a healthy psychology) can give birth easily. The idea that childbirth was a horrible and deadly affair is only true for early "civilized" women. Now it's just typically horrible (prolonged and painful with intervention required) but not deadly thanks to hospitals

Not that paleo childbirth, or any childbirth, was always easy or without causalities, but childbirth events were probably not a big factor

My guess is that accidents and climate exposure were probably the most deadly

I've also read about and watched a program that depicted the practice among nomadic groups of abandoning the sick and the elderly in "hospice camps" - the group would move on without them, leaving them with a small store of food and some supplies if they couldn't cross a river, climb a mountain, keep up, etc. There were no attempts to help them. In the program, no one, including the elderly, seemed upset about it.

Welcoming Committee / Re: I just thought I'd say hello ...
« on: January 22, 2010, 10:00:22 am »
Please keep in mind when you read this forum that many of the members (and at least one moderator) are addicts; some know it, some are in denial. Their posts reflect this.

carb addicts?

Welcoming Committee / Re: I just thought I'd say hello ...
« on: January 21, 2010, 11:40:32 pm »

That very well could be the cause

Welcoming Committee / Re: I just thought I'd say hello ...
« on: January 21, 2010, 10:08:03 pm »
I also ate lots of fruits & veg, nearly vegetarian, also broke into sweats after eating (which gradually increased to every few hours as blood sugar regulation went haywire)

Also had digestive problems transitioning to a fatty protein based diet, including frequent bowel movements (I attribute to poor digestion/assimilation of fat & protein)

Pink urine seems concerning, maybe you ate too much protein right away? Stressed your kidneys?

Go slow. It's taken me about a year to transition (not counting the few months I just coasted)

Welcome and best wishes

General Discussion / Re: Recommend Sashimi or Sushi Recipes for newbies
« on: January 21, 2010, 05:40:55 am »
I dont know why all raw paleo'rs go for filets & steaks

Not all do, in fact many here do not

Are your guests new to raw paleo?

General Discussion / Re: Recommend Sashimi or Sushi Recipes for newbies
« on: January 20, 2010, 09:23:08 pm »
Use leaner, well-trimmed cuts (such as tenderloin, fish loins), thinly sliced

include garnishes such as kimchi, ginger, radish...

prepare a careful and colorful presentation

provide plenty of napkins and utensils

Nobody goes home talking about a tray of bologna from the supermarket. This is your chance to shine!

Welcoming Committee / Re: Mabuhay or greetings from the Philippines!
« on: January 20, 2010, 08:15:34 pm »
Welcome, organicliving!

I recommend reading through the archives of this site, there's a lot of good material to help you get familiar with raw paleo.

Primal Diet / Re: Women Attracted to the Scent of Butter ...
« on: January 20, 2010, 08:41:18 am »
I use activated charcoal

I've never seen this fine enough to rub into skin, only granular. Do you grind it yourself or acquire it in powder form?

General Discussion / Re: How much raw meat do you eat?
« on: January 20, 2010, 06:45:08 am »
typically for most ppl, how long does this phase last before the body
is fully adapted to fat-based?

For me it was a few weeks. At first I cut back on carbs significantly and became extremely uncomfortable (within days) so I went back to several servings of fruit a day and phased out more slowly (within a few weeks).

I still eat some fruit but maintain trace ketones, which I'm comfortable with. 

I found good info on this transition on low carb forums, since that is really the focus of those diets.

General Discussion / Re: How much raw meat do you eat?
« on: January 20, 2010, 05:50:31 am »
I've been through this recently too, I found it's an adjustment phase to fat-based rather than glucose-based metabolism.

General Discussion / Re: Raw Dairy Withrawals
« on: January 19, 2010, 08:39:36 pm »
cravings for it and some anxiety

It seems you are meaning "dairy" as "liquid milk"

There is a lot of sugar in milk

Your symptoms are the same as withdrawal from sugars rather than specifically to milk

Not all dairy products have the same composition, ie the difference between butter and milk

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