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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Raw pork
« on: June 13, 2014, 04:22:21 am »
I've gone past rare and into the bleu zone with the pork so I've got the hog on a leash right now, not quite by the horns. It is very delicious. I'm just waiting until I can get some good quality pork. Slanker's has some that is supposedly "wild caught," which I assume means they just keep them on their farmland and don't feed them.  I at least would get something that is organic and well raised if I don't get the Slanker's. This has kind of slipped my to-do list, but thanks for reminding me, I will get it done. I can't bring myself to do it with the same supermarket stuff I feed my dogs, though I give it to them raw and they don't have worms crawling out of their ears yet. Wait,  shit, maybe they do. One of them developed hematomas on his ear flaps which could be caused by parasites.  Now I'm a bit worried.

I used to do a split routine like what you mentioned, but I found that my hands were being overworked by this and would fail before the muscle I'm targetting in the exercise. When I do the full body in one day my hands get adequate rest and recovery.

I agree that fasting too often is potentially risky, but it can be done in a safe way. From what I understand fasting is mostly unhealthy because of going in and out of ketosis and could cause protein loss or be dangerous if you are underweight. I think I am ok because I stay on a ketogenic diet in between fasts so the fasting just improves my adaptation. I've been doing this for a while and still have plenty of weight to lose. If I happen to eat myself out of ketosis, then I will take a week or two off of the fasting so I have time to re-adapt to ketosis more gently. This prevents me from breaking down any muscles and organs while fasting. Plus I feel fine. I am strong enough to walk or hike every day and never experience any dizziness or weakness. If it felt like it wasn't good for me, I would stop.

I drink spring water and distilled spring water mostly. Sometimes sparkling mineral water. I am aware of the structured water concept, but I am around so much negative energy in my current living situation, I don't think it would help at all.

I have been overweight my whole life, since I was a toddler. I never got to experience life as a thin person, so this is something I want to do for myself. I spent many years being around 400 lbs so I am also doing it for health reasons. I don't accept that "I am who I am" if that means I am going to die before I reach middle-age. Being overweight is not natural, it is triggered by environmental toxins, vaccines, and food additives. I lost most of my weight just by eating the ketogenic diet but my metabolism is so damaged that the weight my body tried to settle on was still 100lb overweight. The only way I can approach a healthy weight is through calorie restriction. I am not able to eat small meals without feeling like I am torturing myself, so fasting wisely and safely is what works for me. I get to eat my big satisfying meals over the weekend and its enough for a net muscle gain with my workouts, I don't gain back weight because I control protein and eliminate carbs, and I'm never hungry when fasting because I am already into a deep ketosis when I start.

General Discussion / Re: Temporary Sleeping Aid?
« on: June 06, 2014, 05:11:45 am »
Get a boring book and read it in bed. Math and science textbooks from school are perfect for this. Any sciency book will do. The more formulas,references, and definitions, the better. Works every time, guaranteed. Just keep at it until your eyes start crossing the words on the page, then shut the lights and knock out. Be careful, this is a powerful method. I often fall asleep with the book still in the bed so soft-cover would be ideal.

Getting good sun during the day and keeping lights very low for an hour before bed is helpful too. TV, tablets, and phones before bed are too bright. At least for me, cell phone radiation has the effect of making me drowsy during the day and keeping me up or waking me up at night. So try turning off all your phones, wifi routers, etc. an hour before bed. It should help.

Health / Re: how to handle anxiety/stress/panic attacks
« on: June 06, 2014, 05:01:01 am »
Practice breathing more slowly and deeply using only the lowest part of your abdominal muscle and keeping your diaphragm relaxed. Somehow this forces your brain out of the anxiety state by triggering relaxing thoughts and blocking the anxious thought. It will also prevent an attack if you use it before a situation that you know provokes anxiety. You want to use the lower abdominal muscle to create a vaccum that gently pulls on the diaphragm instead of using the diaphragm to push on your rib cage and internal organs. Ideally your rib cage should remain still throughout the breath. Practice taking slower breaths as you get good at this, it will become second nature.

Completely static holds (not slow-motion) are very good for building tendon strength, which is important to help avoid damaging tendons when lifting very heavy weights.

Interesting, I always wondered why people did this. I figured it was to strengthen the secondary stabilizer muscles. I have problems with shoulder injury when I progress to heavier weights, I will have to try this out.

I've kept up with this program mostly and I am making gains. I haven't been measuring my muscle percentages scientifically, but visually they are clearly getting larger and strength is increasing, though more slowly than it has in the past. I don't know if it is because of the frequency or because I am not a teenager any more. More likely, my roadblock is that i am using freeweights with no rack or spotter so I have to stop one rep short of true failure or risk injury or breaking my select-techs. I suspect I could benefit from a second workout in the week if i am not pushing through failure, but i still beleive the once a week routine may be more appropriate if I am working with a trainer/spotter and really tearing up alot of muscle fibers on my last rep.

Another factor is that I am water fasting monday-thursday for weight loss and working out on fridays, which may  be negating the benefit of the extra recovery time for the lack of protein. I think it is safe to assume that if I am makling any gains given the fasting and the lack of intensity, one could make good progress, if not equal to or better than bi-weekly workouts, correcting for these two variables.

Health / Re: Weird Reaction?
« on: May 29, 2014, 12:46:57 am »
I had that same reaction once when I ate an adrenal gland. It also gave me stomach pain for 2.5 hours. I never had an issue with adrenals after that, just that one. very strange.

fyi, cashews and pistachios contain the poison ivy toxin urushiol. raw cashews are never raw, they must be steamed by law to break down most of the toxin

About the lack of a full immune response with fever: If this really is the case I would guess it may be a sort of survival mechanism to prevent overstressing the body with loss of fluids and increased thermogenic fat loss during prolonged fasting or starvation.

With the flu-shots, a couple things lead me to this position. I have noticed and heard the same observation from others that the ones who get the flu shots are usually the first ones to get sick or catch a cold. I know they say this is a common "immune reaction" from the live attenuated virus and is normal, but I'm not sure if I really buy that. I also find it suspicious that there needs to be a new one every year when the other dozens of vaccines given are either given just once or boosted after several years. If I were an evil scientist, I would think the perfect delivery route to test genetic manipulations and infections on the population would be through flu-shots. They are all documented and tracable down to the exact vial a patient received a shot from. It would be a simple matter to check someones medical records a few months down the line and cross-reference it with the flu-shot they received to conduct a covert study. How is an inspector to tell the difference between a "live attenuated" virus and a live virus? We have to assume that the attenuation process went smoothly. If they were to alter the genetic code of the virus, and insert live ones mixed into the vial, nobody would be able to tell without doing a pcr test on the vial. Even if someone went to the trouble to do this, the pharmaceutical company just says "oops," recalls the shot that was discovered for contamination from unknown source, and nobody is the wiser. The way I see things, if there is an opportunity for someone to take advantage of a system for a profit or benefit, then you have to assume somebody is doing just that. Even if I am just being very paranoid, and none of this is really happening, I would still not take a vaccine ever again just for the poisons they admit are in there.

I had the same problem with eggs. I used to cook them over easy to get at the raw yolk without having a reaction. I can eat duck eggs totally raw so give that a shot. I would also agree with Mr. Durden that you should make raw animal foods the focus of your eating, and not just seafood. Include some land animals. Lamb, bison, and duck tend to be much better tolerated than beef, pork, and chicken. That is a long list of plant foods, you may want to consider an elimination diet to figure out what is causing your issues. If you are eating any of that stuff because you think its good for you and not because you like the taste, I would just stop.

What about fasting? Humans are known to be extremely well adapted to long periods of famine. The ketosis that goes along with this is a zero carb ketosis by default. The gut does just fine without any fiber to ferment and the gluconeogenesis and glycerol conversion are covering all brain needs for glucose. I beleive to get the best benefit from ketosis it should mimic the fasting state as close as possible with regard to macronutrients and even be alternated with 1-5 day fasts to get the added benefits of autophagy. I've read that the heart muscle runs more efficiently on ketones and the glial cells in the brain, a huge portion of the brain by mass, can not burn glucose directly, but must convert it first. They can burn ketones directly. It seems there are going to be trade-offs in energy efficiency with whatever metabolic path is taken. I think if you are going for ketosis you should go all the way. If you are eating enough carbs of any source to cause your ketone production to cut-back or delay your adaptation to ffa ketone sparing metabolism then it is doing more harm than good. If you want to measure your carbs and protein with a digital scale and take just exactly enough to find some sweet-spot where there is no excess protein to convert to glucose and no want of glucose to trigger muscle breakdown, I don't understand why all the fuss over gluconeogenesis, but more power to you. I'd be interested to know if that makes you feel better or changes anything noticable or measurable.

I had a similar experience to this about three months ago, so I thought I would share. I had been ZC/carniviorous for about 5 years and vlc for 15 yrs prior, excluding some infrequent relapses. It had been over a year since I have been sick. There were some instances when I felt I had caught something, but never got sick. It just sort of went away, which is interesting because you mentioned something about quarantining infections and not dealing with them in ketosis. I've never heard of that, but it may explain the phenomenon. i was just assuming my immune system was stronger in ketosis and able to knock it down before it became systemic.

Anyway, one day I had shut down my ketosis after celebrating with some friends out for dinner with some sugary cocktails and desserts. I decided to speed up my return to ketosis by jumping straight into a 4-day water fast the next day. Big mistake. Apparently this fasting exaggerates the temporary immune system shutdown that occurs when transitioning into ketosis from carb metabolism and I caught something on day 2 of the fast, probably at school. By day 3 I had a high fever up to about 105 and tachycardia. The likes of which I had never seen. No other symptoms really, just runny nose. it was just staying at about 190-195 bpm and normal for me is 70-75. The next day I decided to try some peppermint herbal tea, another big mistake. This triggered some sort of allergic reaction when it hit my fasted stomach and it became difficult to breath and I was wheezing. Coincidentally I had a physical scheduled for the same day so I went to the doctor.

They said my ekg was abnormal and they tried to hospitalize me for observation and further testing. I refused to go, for fear of radiation exposure and worse infections. They also said my LDL was extremely high and HDL was low, though my triglycerides were excellent and I had no sign of blood clotting. Also my ketones were very high. A good report if you ask me, but they tried to give me statins nonetheless. Of course that was refused as well. I opted to do my further testing at the doc's office after i was over the cold because I was sure the ekg problem was caused by my breathing difficulty, not any underlying problem.

I did the halter-monitor and the stress-ekg, both of which were now normal. I refused the echo-cardiogram because I had read a study in which they were using ultrasound as a contraceptive and were able to sterilize mice for 6 months with just two exposures of 20 minutes. For all I know, the test could be creating arrhythmias much like how the cat-scan could trigger cancer. I recently heard of someone who was otherwise healthy and went to have an mri for back pain and the machine triggered a fatal heart attack.

I didn't eat any carbs but I did break the fast early and started eating after leaving the doctors office but the tach. and fever lasted another day or so. My theory about the strange infection was that we are constantly being experimented on and the people who take flu-shots are being used to spread new infections for testing every year. I am intrigued by this concept of quarantining infections on vlc/zc, it would seem to fit with the timing. Like as soon as I ended the ketosis, some infection I had caught months earlier and never dealt with suddenly came to the surface and triggered the fever.
Could you reference where you heard about this?

This experience was part of my motivation for trying rzc, but I had been eyeing these forums for a while before that. I was consuming large amounts of cooked animal fats and cholesterol and I was interested in how switching to raw would affect my cholesterol numbers. I should have the results of this experiment in another week or two with a VAP cholesterol test.

I don't follow dr. kruse, but i have browsed his site before. I, for one, would especially trust a doctor who had their medical license suspended or is being otherwise attacked by the medical profession. This usually means they are speaking the truth about health and affecting enough people positively to be seen as a threat to the bottom-line of pharmaceutical companies. To be crazy in this crazy world is to be right.

Thank you for this response. I do appreciate that you have done some research regarding this. If my earlier post seemed a bit agressive, it was. Just as your post was very condescending towards the zc camp. I just felt that several important concepts were overlooked to make an argument seem more plausible and that you were making the offense of assuming causality when there is only correlation with things such as lifespan and other points. I suppose the purpose of a thesis is to make an assumption, but there are just so many here. The concept of preferring pathways for their lack of energy requirement alone is not relevant in today's society with plentiful food available. I would be more concerned with whether they are doing damage along the way or not.

 Yes I am aware of muscle glycogen converting with rigormortis, I mentioned it as it applies to eating freshly killed meat and the contribution is small when compared to eating liver, the glycogen of which remains in tact.

I'd like to continue this debate if you would indulge me, though in a more gentlemanly manner. I must say its been a while since I have researched any of this and its possible that there is new knowledge out there. This is one of those things where you can't just take any study and run with it because there are vested interests that like to fudge numbers and mislead people when health is at stake.

General Discussion / I'm very egg-cited
« on: May 25, 2014, 12:25:36 pm »
sorry. I just found a source of duck eggs and have determined that I am not allergic to the raw whites like I am with chicken eggs. Now I can say goodbye to the last thing tempting me into cooking my food and go 100% raw no excuses. The duck eggs are so big and much yolkier. If you ask me, they are more delicious as well. Sionara chicken eggs.

I'm sorry, but I don't buy any of this thesis. Writing a post that is 10 miles long does not add to its validity. Right away three glaring problems strike me. There is no account for the glycerol that is released on fat breakdown being easily converted to glucose. There is no account for glycogen consumed in muscle and organ meats converting easily to glucose. There is no account for glucose being consumed directly in fresh blood. At best, gluconeogenesis is a temporary condition that is used to provide up to 100g of glucose per day until one is fully adapted to ketosis. If you overeat protein it will also kick in to enable the excess to be stored as fat. And 30g is high, if one is in deep ketosis that number should be more like 10-15. Even up to thirty should be covered no problem by a well balanced animal food diet that includes liver every day. If one is fasting, the ketosis will likely get to be deeper and the breakdown of ones own glycerol alone should cover the 10 no problem.

The short life span in carnivores is explained by the fact that their food and their competition is trying to kill them almost every time they eat. Eventually they get old and get gouged in a hunt or a fight and succumb to an infection or bleed-out. There is no need to complicate it any further than that.

I have been vlc for 20 years and zc/zpf for the last 5. Now with RZC I can see immediate improvements on my already near-perfect state. The only problems I've had were upon breaking the ketosis or going in and out too often. When I am strict for long enough to be fully adapted I can't even catch a cold.

I've never in my life indulged in fresh vegetation myself, but I don't see any reason not to include some fresh greens in your diet if you are into being bloated, having smelly gas, and large bowel movements being constantly rushed out of your bowels. If this process makes you healthier without affecting ketosis, then I am all for it. I find things get moving just fine if I am active.

I think a good policy is not to be afraid of your food unless it smells or tastes bad to you or it is trying to bite you back. Stick to grass-fed for the healthiest meat and try to get local so it will have the same parasites you are already used to. Like many have said before, they are everywhere and unavoidable in life. Your only defense is to be smart about it. Sickening yourself on cooked food for fear of parasites is a losing battle. Freezing is a good option if you are in a sickened state already and don't think you could handle a parasite, but if you are healthy you want the benefits of the bacteria that have not been weakened or killed in the freezer. Soil-based organism probiotics are a good insurance, they will defend your gut somewhat against harmful pathogens.

General Discussion / Re: Is Suet or Tallow truly raw?
« on: May 25, 2014, 10:12:52 am »
presumably, yes. Some would argue that animal fats are unaffected up to their smoke-point temperature, but there is more than just fat in suet, there is a cellular structure and tissue with proteins. If any of this makes it into the tallow or lard, for sure it is bad. Also you don't know if the tallow has been overheated unless you rendered it yourself. From my experience, I notice a big difference in taste between tallow and the fat in suet. The suet tastes much cleaner and healthier, the tallow has a toasted aroma. I would assume the fats in rendered tallow are damaged, unless someone knows for sure one way or the other.

General Discussion / Re: Best Red Meat
« on: May 13, 2014, 06:55:54 am »
I don't know if I'm thinking of the same thing, but grain fed lamb always tastes a bit fishy to me and has a funny smell. I think it has something to do with the soy in the feed. I read somewhere that the soybeans have this fishy effect on chicken eggs so I'm assuming its the same deal. But grass-fed lamb is always good.

General Discussion / Re: Best Red Meat
« on: May 11, 2014, 07:05:16 am »
Really? I actually find that almost all cuts are pretty tender when raw, it's when you cook them that meats like chuck and shank toughen up (which is why they recommend those for slow cooking). The shank we get is usually pretty tender unless the outside "skin" is really thick sometimes.

Yes, I meant tough as far as raw meat goes, it didn't approach the toughness that cooked meat could get to. It was just hard to cut with a knife and took some effort to chew.

I know its officially poultry, but technically duck is a red meat. I just walked away from my first plate of raw duck breast with the fat on and it was hands down the best thing I ever ate raw. Maybe even the best meat in general.  If you've never had this you should definitely give it a shot. I'm never cooking duck meat again.

General Discussion / Re: Best Red Meat
« on: May 10, 2014, 06:02:16 pm »
That shank meat was the toughest thing I ever ate raw. I see where you are coming from, that would drive me away from beef too if I got it all the time. I like to fill up on the fat and organs to save money, then I have some extra cash to afford some of the nicer cuts of muscle meat when I want. Bison steaks are very tender, but not well marbled. Even the grain fed ones are still lean.

I recently decided to try some grain fed beef steaks raw for the first time. They were just bland and disappointing. Even with all that fat, it was like wet chalk. Normally ribeye and shell steak are two of my favorite grain-fed cooked steaks, but trying them raw just made it clearly obvious how worthless they are. I would take the cheapest toughest cut of grass-fed over that any day, just because it has flavor.

General Discussion / Re: Best Red Meat
« on: May 10, 2014, 05:27:06 pm »
I tried elk, it was a bit more flavorful than the venison. There's always lamb and bison if you're not into beef right now. I'd also suggest trying some different cuts of beef before giving up. I find the various textures to be very different compared to the same thing cooked. For instance, the small fibers in top sirloin, especially the cap or the coulotte steak are great when raw.

General Discussion / Re: Optimal time to eat meat?
« on: May 09, 2014, 08:42:55 pm »
What usually happens in nature is the animal hunts between late morning and mid-afternoon and takes a nap immediately after eating. Then sleeps through the night on an empty stomach after it has digested for at least 3-5 hours.
I find this pattern to be best for me. When I eat protein at night it seems to all turn into sugar by morning and I will be out of ketosis if I ate a lot. If your meat is putting you in fight or flight mode, it usually means the animal was improperly slaughtered and suffered before it died. You can ususally recognize this meat because it will be very red and swollen with blood and water from the adrenaline rush in the animal.

General Discussion / Re: Fantastic Health Benefits of Butyrate
« on: May 09, 2014, 05:58:04 am »
What is the advantage of butyrate from RS over BHB from being in ketosis? Doesn't LCHF provide exactly the same benefits?

General Discussion / Re: Body pH
« on: May 08, 2014, 07:28:31 pm »
I agree, once you produce stomach acid, the ph of your food is no longer relevant. It just becomes whatever your body wants it at for digestion. All this about alkaline foods is just another ploy to get people to eat more plants and less meat. Carnivores ususally munch on greens when they have eaten too much or eaten something that does not agree with them. The phytotoxins in the leaves help them to throw up. When I see my dog going at the leaves in the garden I go and get the paper towels ready and keep him away from the carpets because I know its coming.

General Discussion / Re: How do you eat raw bone marrow?
« on: May 08, 2014, 07:19:04 pm »
I had the bone marrow, it was nice. I got a slice of shank with the meat still attached around it. The meat was a bit tough, but the marrow was soft and fatty. I think I was just worried it would be like the ones I get my dog at the pet store. They seem old and hard as a rock.

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