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I've recently started to consume more animal fat... which is incredibly hard, as my body interprets as "too cleansing" if that makes sense... but I could be wrong.

When eating raw animal fat, tons of it gets stuck to the roof of my mouth, and it's also very hard to chew.

What I did one day, was take the fat, put it in a glass jar, and put it out in the sun for a couple of hours.

Once I retrieved it, I noticed that it had been lightly cooked... and tasted delicious! My thought was that... if we ate meat and fat back in the day, that meat and fat most likely would have been exposed to the sun. There wasn't a "refrigerator" that existed back in the day.

Even this method of taking food out of the fridge 2-4 hours before it's time to eat doesn't work for me. If I wake up, I want to be able to eat. Also I'm in the position that, sometimes I get distracted, and then distracted to the point where I'm too hungry to wait, and then I have to order fast food or something. I need my food strategies to be flexible to my metropolitan life.

More than that: I can't really leave food out. The flies get to it and lay maggots (which might be fine in the country, but flies out here are disease laden).

With all of that being said: what I want to do, is heat up the fat that I eat in a toaster oven... for 30 seconds to a minute. My uneducated opinion is that this will allow my food to be more on demand for me... get around the fact that I'd like to not have to take my food out of the fridge 2-4 hours in advance, and it will adequately mimic how we eat fat in our ancestry (exposed to the heat of the sun).


I mixed raw egg yolks that had been sitting on my kitchen table (by recommendation from this forum... essentially high eggs?) with some natural raw honey (ambrosia, so pollen, royal jelly, propolis, and honey).

I felt nauseous that entire day, and from that day on till today, I have had diarrhea each day.

My assumption: my liver, which had been feeling bloated, with me not eating the right things... it definitely feels reduced in size. I definitely feel like this cleaned out my liver somehow, but maybe it did it too fast.

It's either that, or it's what other people are suggesting on forums other than this one, that maybe I picked up some bacteria of some sort.

In any case, I really would like to stop the diarrhea, as it hurts. Would eating more raw meat, or making sure to only lightly sear my meat solve this? Also, do you think it just cleaned me out too efficiently, or I actually got food poisoning?

Sometimes I buy meat (salmon in this case) and put it in my fridge (which isn't the coldest.)... and then I throw it out if it gets a little smelly. When it gets smelly, is it just turning into high meat? Can I eat it? It still looks pink and looks like it's fine.

Also... does the taste of this eventually become good? Can I eat it with hot sauce?

I'm trying to buy some organ meats. I found this really excellent deal on NorthStarBison, but they only offer it as frozen:


That calculates to around $12 per pound of organs, and that's WITH shipping. That's insane. My thing is this.... you hear on this forum a lot that fresh is better than frozen. But then some people say that eating frozen isn't that bad. I can order all these items individually (to get them fresh) but most likely they'll be a lot more expensive. Thoughts?

Journals / the6step's journal
« on: May 16, 2017, 12:46:58 am »
So I've been at it for about 2 weeks or so. I did immediately cut out all dairy, cooked foods, vegetables. I've only been eating fruit, raw eggs. I ate ground beef 2 times the first week, and now this week I've been struggling trying to choke down some lamb liver & heart, cutting it into small enough pieces to swallow and putting it right in. I've also been doing coconut manna.

I feel seriously sick. Like every time I get up, I'm seriously dizzy, and it's hard to tell whether my body isn't getting what it needs, if I'm putting something bad in it that it doesn't like, or that I'm detoxing. I'm gorging on some strawberries right now as I didn't have much fruit over the weekend, and I've been struggling on the raw meat end... the taste is really hard to deal with.

I skipped this morning because my body is reacting crazily but I've been trying to do 6 eggs in the morning and 6 at night. I also still believe my liver is acting up... so I'm going to do some malic acid this week in preparation for my egg yolk liver flush.

I am starting to have a lot of self doubts... I'm still young and I want to date and now that I don't drink alcohol, don't eat bread, don't eat anything cooked, I have no idea how I'm going to meet new friends, or meet new girls for that matter... and I'm still unsure of the diet, and I'm unsure of the health of the people that are on the diet.

So yeah that's where I am right now. My body is telling me if I try to put any more raw protein in it right now that I'm going to have serious problems (I'm at work and feel like throwing up) so I'm going to stick with fruits maybe for a day or 2 and see what happens.

Suggestion Box / This site deserves better focus (and stickies)
« on: May 12, 2017, 11:14:29 am »

Let me first just say that this is radical stuff. Thank you for having a place for people to talk about it, and thanks for the continued effort to educate people about what you believe is a superior way to live. I’m a couple of days in… I can’t wait to say that I’m apart of the people that finally found their way health wise. That being said, I’m going to jump straight into the deep end here.

What I want to do first is take a sticky from 2008 from Tyler and spruce it up a bit. No offense to Tyler of course, it is from 2008 and he probably spends way more time contributing to this site than I ever will. Read this first and compare it to the link.

Subject: Dairy
"No matter if it's (pasteurized or raw) milk (even A2), cheese, yogurt or kefir, dairy is bad for most of us. Dairy is linked to all sorts of diseases and conditions including:

* heart disease [1]
* osteoporosis [2]
* dementia [3]
* depression [4]
* autism [5]
* strokes [6]
* multiple sclerosis [7]
* rheumatoid arthritis [8]

and more [9]. Calcium[10], hormones[11], lactose[12], casein[13], and sugar[14] are the most likely culprits and are unhealthy in even low quantities for most people. Fermenting it doesn't change that equation either! (yogurt, kefir, etc) A healthy raw paleo diet of JUST eggs & organ meats replaces ALL needs for dairy (protein, magnesium, b12, k2, biotin, folate, enzymes & probiotics) and has it’s own nutrient profile outside of that!. In the face of this information, why continue to do dairy?

We have some theories, but we’ll drop one here: casein, found in all dairy, acts as a stimulant and can trigger the same receptors that cause addiction[15].

As always, experiment and find out what works for you. Some of our members do well on dairy, but a vast majority don’t. We'd wager that a big portion that do well on it either will experience symptoms later down the line, or don't realize they experience them already, and we have a lot of anecdotal (and empirical) evidence to back that up. In the face of the dangers of dairy and an alternative diet that provides superior nutritional value, there's no reason to participate in dairy other than taste (similar argument for junk food).

Dairy has only been consumed for the past 9,000 years by humans. There is absolutely no reason to believe that we've had time to evolutionarily adapt to it. Don't let your addiction to milk dictate your health.


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[Pretend all the rest of the sources are here)


This is by no means perfect but I’m hoping to illustrate my point with this.

Ok so now that I'm done with that, here's my suggestion. This forum needs to focus on it's core. I come from the curezone world and I've really been spoiled by carefully put together resources covering specific topics very rigorously and thoroughly while still maintaining some user friendliness. I've been on this site for a little more than a week, and I've begun to get a little frustrated at how difficult it is to get the full picture of a specific topic (dairy, vegetables, etc) without having to search multiple other threads for relevant information not summed up in one spot , or dealing with the actual stickies which seem to be provided in a less graspable way… for people who may not be great on understanding the science, the language, or the verboseness of the explanation usually meant for the more battle hardened people like myself. That being said even I'm a little fatigued from my first week here, trying to build a picture.

Now, I know what you're going to say:

"oh the6step... you see, a lot of the information here isn't set in stone. It's up to the reader to educate themselves and find out what's true for them, as we're all different, in different environments with different genetics and predispositions".

And you'd be right but wrong at the same time. I do a lot of research in my professional life and in my free time such as this. For a person like me, it's much, MUCH faster to form my own opinion from people on both sides of the argument rather than people who attempt to remain bipartisan whilst having a definite opinion, assuming both parties have shown to be open minded, even keeled and non dogmatists.

After much reading of the sticky, a bunch of threads, some of the main contributors, some of my own research, and a lot of anecdotal opinions from people, the consensus was that dairy overall wasn't ideal for most people, and being asymptomatic doesn't mean anything because kids eat absolute shit for years in todays society and get by. Also, everything is relative. There’s a guy I think that can control his body temperature, but we still tell people to wear certain clothing in certain weather, because generalizations are important.

So in my above rewrite, I made sure to lay out the general consensus, still leaving a bit of leeway for interpretation, experimentation and uncertainty. I also moved all sources to the bottom (just as wikipedia or a scientific paper would do... ), and made the writing more human and relatable, and to the point (and noticed how the subject is just one word now). Also I stripped things out like "lactose intolerence" because it's sending the wrong message. A common comeback of lactose intolerance is "oh well buy lactase drops to eat the lactose" which is true, and "oh well make kefir, it eats all the lactose" which is somewhat true, but it doesn't invalidate the major issues so don't give the reader the idea of wiggle room when there isn't any.

Looking around, most of the answers to most of the questions being asked in posts are either in some random thread or in someone's head and to me I really don't see why there isn't a bigger effort in this regard now that I've stumbled onto this place. I think this place is used for people to find answers to their problems, but also help other people and those efforts make people want to reciprocate and contribute back. In that light, there's no real reason in my mind someone can't come here and get a top down view of the fundamentals:

* There should be a sticky covering just foods and isolating them into categories of certainty. Bone Marrow / Liver / Eggs / Coconut Butter (low heat) / low glycemic fruit as championed sources and staples of the raw paleo diet, then you have veggie juice / high glycemic fruits in the uncertain category, and then pasteurized milk, GMO, as avoid (I don't even know all of them and what category they fall into, don't yell at me. This is just from a weeks research. I'm just trying to get your creative juices flowing). Literally just cover every food, note all the high level nuances, etc.

* There should be a sticky regarding storage and temperature. Refrigeration, non refrigeration. Leave a comment about "high meat" with a short explanation, linking to a sticky just about high meat as to not clutter this sticky. Cover raw foods in plastics / cans, frozen meats, de-thawing procedure, etc. For instance I’ll see things like “nothing in a can” but then coconut butter in a can is fine. Iron all of that out in one sticky.

* There should be a sticky regarding how to consume (chewing / swallowing, time, combining). For instance I know from my research this week that I should not food combine for the most part (adding coconut butter is allowed but is still debated somewhat by some of the top contributors). That means eating watermelon alone, and waiting around 3 hours (or an empty stomach) before eating something else. I know that for the raw diet, it's ideal to chew food less. I also know that it's ideal to have fruit around noon and protein at the beginning of the day. As a newbie I had to search for all of this information. Granted not everyone agrees on everything but I found the above was a general consensus with some few derivates and deviations.

* There should be a sticky JUST on vegetables. I still have no idea what the consensus is on vegetables... I didn't see any nail in the coffin. Again I'm not trying to debate that here, I'm jut saying someone new to this board shouldn't have to go searching post after post to get a decent picture. For instance sure we have a ZC board and people who believe that can go there but it's very obvious that ZC didn't work out long term for most people. Again, just spell that out, leave it up to interpretation and move on, even with vegetables.

* For all these stickies, the goal should be thorough and rigorous but simple and to the point, with citations and anecdotal evidence (both are important)

* There should be an effort to remove all non relevant stickies. There's some sticky about milk not being palaeo but why does a beginner care about that? The site is raw paleo but the point is health. It's much easier to go straight for the throat and tell the person that their health is the reason they shouldn't drink it, instead of trying to argue classification. It's attacking the wrong angle and you're going to end up having people read that and going to milk because a compelling argument wasn't made, and the information that IS there isn't digestable or relatable at all. There are stickies about making some book, the last post on it being 5 years old. We have a saying in User Experience... if everything is important, nothing is important. The things being stickied should be of absolute importance (either protocol (rules) or news happenings if it's that type of place). My favorite are the monstrous stickies that contain information that will be used again and again as education for a specific topic or branch of concern.

* Simplicity: shorter "Subjects" where relevant.

* Let people comment on the stickies to make suggestions (content, wording, citations, removing certain things), then every couple of months, un-sticky the last thread, create a new one with the alterations of your choosing, and then sticky that one. The only stickies that should be locked are non negotiables like rules and such.

All these things together would greatly help new people, entice new people to the board, cut down on repeating questions, and give people more room to have interesting conversations about things that aren't as set in stone. The goal would be to get the essentials and foundation that most of the veterans on the board understand implicitly and distill, organize and formulate them so that everyone can get on board with raw paleo.

I bought some grass fed ground beef, sirloin steak & chuck steak. They were all in the refrigerated section at my local organic shop.

I left the meats out for a little bit over 24 hours, just wanting to see what happens. It's a bit smelly, so I'm a little bit confused as to what to do.

Is the smell because it's bad meat, and or because I left it in the plastic? Or is it normal for it to get smelly after 24 hours.

I started eating raw just yesterday. 4 raw eggs, 1 package of raw grass fed ground beef. I'm still alive.

So I'm waiting for a farm order so I don't have to go to the grocery store, but in the meantime (since it seems like it's better to eat raw eggs from grocery store rather than cooked food) I have some non-gmo, organic, "sunlit barnes and porches" eggs. One of the packages I have has been out for more than 24 hours, and I'm wondering how long these eggs can last non refrigerated.

The follow up question is the same question but for pasture eggs. I live in NYC so it might be difficult for me to get eggs "in the membrane and poop" as people were putting it on this other thread I was reading, so just assume they look like regular store bought eggs.

Welcoming Committee / Curezone dude saying hi
« on: May 06, 2017, 07:53:23 am »
Hey guys, what's up.

I'm a 30 yr old male, and I'm based in New york city. For the past couple of years I have really cleaned up my diet to fight my nonsensical belly fat and lack of energy. I take a lot of supplements, green juice, water. Within the past year or so I've become enamored with curezone, and I'm doing enemas, iodine, trace minerals, I'm off gluten, doing kefir, doing sulfur, vitamin c (skipping over vitamin d), filtered water (no fluoride). I sort of nailed down that I have liver problems due to 8 years on a vegetarian diet with no fat, and I have the symptoms to match (pain in my back on that side), so I've been doing non stop chanca piedra & malic acid for the last week and a half or so, gearing up for a liver flush.

I was researching the ideal diet for a liver flush, and really couldn't find a consensus, but both sides (meat eaters, vegans) seemed wrong and I just wasn't satisfied no matter how many times people said that there isn't a right answer.

So I did some Google searching on eggs to see if I could eat them (since I've been abstaining from protein and fat for the buildup to the liver cleanse) and I ran across this crazy egg liver flush, which I'd never seen given months and months of research. It used raw egg yolk, which was like whoa I've really went down the rabbit hole now... raw eggs?

Long story short, I landed up here. Been pouring through all the forum posts now, trying to get a feel for things. I want to bullet out some information, some questions:

1. I still have a great amount of fatigue, energy, circles under my eyes, and a bunch of other things. My gut feeling is the liver is the issue, so the short term goal is to get my liver flushed. I'm debating just up and trying the egg liver flush tomorrow.

2. I went out and had some raw sushi today but I guess sushi isn't really cared for on this forum, and neither is rice apparently.

3. I'm curious the stance on kefir. I know a lot of people have attributed it to better health, bacteria, the idea that the kefir eats all the casein, lactose & most of the sugar. I have a ton of milk & kefir grains in my fridge and had been gorging on it but I think they said that drinking kefir when you have digestion issues only makes it worse and that you have to wait until you get better. I'm still wondering if I should just completely forget kefir though.

4. I have a relationship with a farm thankfully that I get high quality untouched foods. I had mostly been getting raw milk from them, but I just put in an order for liver, kidney, heart, some fish, duck / chicken eggs and some bone marrow. I'm too scared to eat tongue, brain or thymus they had in stock for now.

5. I'm wondering if I should stop ALL of the supplements that I have. I do salt, potassium, magnesium, iodine (and sski), boron, sulfur, selenium, zinc (with a bit of copper), garlic, malic acid, I have tons of healthforce powders and pills containing stuff too long to list, vitamin c, glutamine, digestive enzymes, and I'm currently doing some liver cleanse and colon cleanse supplements. Can I continue to do some of these? They can't all be bad right?

6. I bought a bunch of bones from my farm with a small amount of meat on them. I was initially going to make bone broth with them, but now looking around here that seems like the wrong move? I heard some people just saying to leave the bones in the water... I don't know if I'm ready for that. Would I get benefit from the bone broth or should I just attempt to do raw bone broth?

7. Any specific things I can do for my liver, besides the egg cleanse?

8. What is all your takes on zappers?

9. I just found from here that you should just sleep on the floor? Anyone doing that find benefits from doing that?

10. I really for the most part don't like eating raw vegetables. Do I have to do this, or should I just avoid vegetables and stick to juicing or just drop vegetables altogether?

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