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Hot Topics / Ray Peat podcast...interesting!
« on: February 05, 2012, 12:49:26 am »

What do you guys think of him?  I don't like that he doesn't seem to care too much about food quality, but if you take his suggestions and use your common sense about eating only quality foods, it could make sense. 

I was particularly facinated by the part where he mentions what happens when you try to "starve" yeast by eating a low-sugar diet...and how he explains that its better to fix the underlying problem, and then the yeast overgrowth will just take care of itself.   I think that bit is around 37:00 or 38:00  This makes so much sense with what I've heard about low carb diets sometimes making yeast overgrowth worse, because the "yeast can adapt", but I never heard how it did it before...*shudder* pseudo-hyphae!!! :-P

I know some here are critical of him, but I've been reading a lot of his stuff lately and it does make sense...
He also has an intreging article on MS and hypothyroid/high estrogen:

Whadd'ya think raw paleo friends??   :-)

Health / Infectious causes for autoimmune disease?
« on: January 23, 2012, 02:18:58 am »
What do you guys think about this info saying that MS and other autoimmune diseases are caused by bacteria and viruses?  I am reading "Fear of the Invisible" right now, and it seems to be pointing towards the fact that viruses are natural substances produced by cells (perhaps when they are toxic), not contagious things.  I am just sort of confused now, because of all the stuff I've heard about how bacteria/viruses/parasites and normal and can be beneficial...but then if there is a lot of evidance that people with MS are infected with a bacteria and they improve when given antibiotics....HMM??  And somewhere it said that Dr. Wahl's diet was anti-microbial?

This is where I read it:

Health / Can you help me figure out this symptom?
« on: January 21, 2012, 06:06:33 am »
I was wondering if I write out what I am eating, you guys could point out what you think the most likely culprit to causing intestinal gas would be.  I used to get it REALLY bad especially after meals (where my stomach would look so bloated it looked like I was pregnant!) when I was eating mostly cooked food paleo; now its barely noticable by looking at me, but I can feel it and it bothers me in a sort of underlying general "uncomfortable" feeling.  Plus, it's obviously not normal to have excess gas in your intestines!
If it helps, it seems like it usually shows up as "gas" in my lower intestines, because by doing certian yoga poses it will eventually work its way out.  If I don't do this, and just let it sit there, it seems to constipate me? 

So I can't figure out if its what I previously ate, or what I just ate that is causing it!  It really has no smell at all.  Some days it goes away, but not often.  My going-#2 pattern is usually pretty regular now, every morning after drinking my citrus tea/eating fruit.  When I tried eating salads for a couple of days (before my meat by at least 30 min) it *seemed* to be a little worse, maybe. 

Another concern is that along with this gassiness, I haven't been feeling the best lately; not sure if I'm low vitamin D, or its just the cold weather, or if its something I'm eating, but I feel sort of lethargic and spacey a lot.  My tingly feet thing seems to be going away, though--I rarely feel it any more.  I do have some fermented CLO coming in the mail, and have been sporadically going indoor tanning.

What I'm eating~
Morning--about 1 piece of fruit (usually apple, orange, or grapefruit) and a glass of warm water with lemon or lime. 
About an hour later--some type of meat and fat maybe with some sea salt and/or fresh or dried herbs, with fermented veggies (ginger carrots or sauerkraut or radish kimchi) for a condiment.  Sometimes some soured cream mixed with bone marrow and raw honey.
Afternoon (once I get to work)--about 1 piece of fruit (same), maybe a little piece of raw milk chedder, and some more warm water with lemon/lime.
5pm--meat/fat/fermented veg/marrow+honey/fermented dairy again.  Sometimes a few in-shell hazelnuts.
9:30-10pm-ish--whatever meat/veg etc that I have left over from my 5pm meal.
11pm--a small snack of either fermented dairy/hazelnuts/marrow/leftover meat etc.

General Discussion / Bison meat too lean?
« on: January 18, 2012, 07:02:57 am »
I have been getting grass fed bison lately, because it is the only meat I can find fresh.  I really like the taste and the fact that its fresh!  However, I read on the Archevore blog that grass fed bison is very lean; even more so than wild game (?!).  Does anyone know if this is true, or how it compares to grassfed beef for leannness?  And how much extra fat would I need to eat to make up for its leanness?  I do eat about 1/2 cup (not packed down) of bone marrow/butter/coconut oil/and/or/suet per that enough extra?
Is it so lean its not worth bothering with? 

General Discussion / Frozen bone marrow
« on: January 18, 2012, 02:03:01 am »
Does anyone know if fats like bone marrow are more or less damaged by freezing than meats?  I'm guessing less because they have less liquid in them? 
I am just wondering, because I can get fresh marrow bones for $6/lb or frozen for $1/lb...sooo thats a big price difference! :-P

General Discussion / Storing organs...
« on: January 14, 2012, 11:46:06 am »
I'm getting ready to place another order from NorthStar Bison.  I'm planning on ordering every 2 weeks to keep shipping costs down.  This first time, I just got 2 roasts, and hung them in my fridge, and they are keeping very well.  Now this next order, I wanted to get one roast and then some heart and tongue.  I am wondering what the best way to store those are to keep them fresh(ish)?  I remember reading that organs don't keep as long as muscle meats do (some people freeze them?).  I want to avoid having to freeze anything. 
Should I just hang the heart and tongue like the roasts?  Would it be OK to skin the tongue right away or should I leave the skin on until I'm ready to eat that part? 
And, does anyone here have any tips for skinning a raw tongue--its so tricky! :-S

General Discussion / Making high meat out in the open VS in a jar?
« on: January 06, 2012, 11:43:48 am »
I remember reading somewhere that someone was ageing high meat just on a plate in the fridge, VS in a jar.  What do you guys think about doing it that way?  Will it take longer?  End up with a different kind of bacteria?  From what I hear, its the kind that grows with oxygen that you want, correct?

I just much prefer the drier aged meat to the slimy sort.  Now that I finally have some fresh bison, I think I'm going to make a little of both, and see how it goes.

General Discussion / Dairy vs. fruit
« on: January 04, 2012, 12:15:57 pm »
I seem to kind of go between raw fermented dairy or raw fresh fruit as the "accompaniment" to my other animal foods (meat/eggs/fat).  Not to be eaten together, but I mean as kind of my other major source of calories.
I *thought* the dairy was causing me some MS symptoms, so I stopped it, but the symptoms still seem to(tingling in my feet when I bent my neck forward) kind of just come and go regardless of anything. 
I am eating more fruit now, and no dairy.  But because of my location, getting actually ripe, fresh, local, organically grown fruit is preeety much impossible.  And I just can't help but feel that imported, force-ripened or not really ripe, mostly non-organically grown (or factory farm organic), or frozen fruit/berries isn't really something I should be including in any significant amount in my diet.
I know Tyler isn't a big dairy fan, but I was wondering what everyone else thinks.  Should I give it another try?  Other than the MS symptoms that it might not even be causing, it makes me feel fine--no other symptoms of intolerance.  I usually eat it as kefir or butter.

Hot Topics / Germ theory information
« on: January 03, 2012, 01:38:41 am »
Hi everyone!
I am looking for information on the germ theory of disease; basically why it isn't true and what the alternative explanation is.  I have read what AV says about it, and I feel like his theory might be right, but he maybe has the explanation kind of wrong (like about how eating cooked vegetables can "cause" a disease instead of bacteria etc).  The virus = solvents, and bacteria & parasites = janitors, and "healing crisis" theories do make sense, but I'd like to find a more in depth, scientific explanation for them.
Your own words, links to articles, blogs etc...are all welcome!!
I did a search here and found some stuff, but nothing that definitively answered my question.

General Discussion / Fruit & Veggies and living in a Cooold climate ;-)
« on: December 29, 2011, 11:39:00 am »
I feel best including some carbs in my diet.  I live in Wisconsin, and from about October to May, nothing really grows here.  I'm even having trouble keeping my indoor herbs alive!! :-(

I do feel good eating berries, but the only organic ones I can afford are frozen.  Are frozen fruits/veggies as big of a deal as frozen animal foods?  I can get coconuts, to make coconut cream, but they are not organic.  I can get organic mangos and pineapples, which I also feel good eating, but obviously not locally.  I just don't know how beneficial fruits are that have to be picked probably not-ripe, and shipped thousands of miles...:-S
Really the only fruits available locally on a sort-of consistant basis are apples, but they don't make me feel as good as other fruits. 

What do you other cold-climate-living people do regarding fruits and veggies?

Hot Topics / tanning bed VS fermented cod liver oil VS vit. D3 supplement??
« on: December 25, 2011, 06:46:43 am »
As far as I know, these are the 3 options for me, for getting vitamin D during the winter.

I can go to a tanning salon and use one of the "medium pressure" beds (I think closer to the sun's UV ratio--at least compared to the "high pressure" beds) once a week or so, for about 12 min, but I don't know how safe this is regarding EMF's and how accurate the ratio is.

I can take raw, fermented CLO, but I think I need to take a lot to get enough D, correct?  Not sure how much?

I could take a vitamin D3 softgel supplement, but that is unfortuently synthetic and I don't think synthetic supplements have all the important components the natural substance would have.

I've been kind of going between the first two...just not sure which is best!! :-(  Obviously natural sunbathing in the sun is best, but not an option for a large portion of the year here.  I have multiple sclerosis and am focusing on healing from this, so although I know my ancestors here probably were just slightly deficient during winter, that's probably not a good option for me. 

General Discussion / Getting fresh seafood delivered?
« on: December 19, 2011, 12:16:16 pm »
I live in Wisconsin, so obviously not near anywhere I can get good-quality fresh seafood.  All of the fresh seafood at grocery stores here is farmed (and probably previously frozen) and the one wild-caught thing I can find (salmon) is frozen and I'd rather a saltwater-only fish because of the parasite issue, if its going to be a staple in my diet.  I really want to include some seafood in my diet, though--especially some type of fish for sashimi and oysters or scallops for the vitamins.

I've been doing a lot of searching online, but I'm not sure which place is best to go with.  Shipping from most places is INSANE (like the ones in CA and WA), so it'd be nice if I could find somewhere at least sort-of nearby (like maybe east coast/FL?).  Any suggestions?  Thank you so much! 

General Discussion / Chronic wasting disease and raw venison
« on: December 19, 2011, 02:06:31 am »
I live in Wisconsin (Appleton/Green Bay area), where I believe there has been deer found with chronic wasting disease (caused by a prion).  I have a friend who is going to give me some fresh ground venison (that he butchered himself), but because of CWD I am a little leary of eating it raw.  What do you guys think?

General Discussion / Which Aajonus book to get?
« on: December 18, 2011, 10:21:16 am »
If I can only afford one, should I get "we want to live" or "the recipe for living without disease" ?  I can't decide!!  If it helps, I already know his back-story from podcasts, and would mainly be interested in the science behind raw food, and what to do for specific health problems re: raw food, and recipes. 


General Discussion / Vitamin D and tanning
« on: December 11, 2011, 05:02:17 am »
I did a search and came up with a few threads on this, but nothing conclusive.  Since its winter again here in Wisconsin, and already WAY too cold to expose any skin outdoors (plus I think we're too far north to actually have the sun close enough to make vitamin D at this time of the year).  I have been doing a lot of research on the best way to get vitamin D, especially because of my location and the fact that I have multiple sclerosis which is linked to vitamin D deficiency. 

From what I've learned, it seems that the best way would be to use tanning in a sunbed to make vitamin D.  Now I just need to find somewhere that knows something about the UVA/UVB ratios that thier beds make!  Apparently the "medium pressure" beds make a ratio more similar to the sun, and are best for D production. 
I'd love to be able to find something I could afford to buy and use at home, but for now I think I'll just be using tanning salons.

Ideally, I'd just spend all summer outdoors to soak up enough to last me (since your body can store it) but I work full-time indoors (for now....) so I'm sure I didn't make enough over the summer to hold me over the winter.

What are your thoughts?  What do other northern-living people here do for vitamin D in the winter? 

Journals / Sile's Journal
« on: December 10, 2011, 08:24:52 am »
Sile's (pronounced: SHEE-la) Raw Paleo Journey, begins!

Well, I guess it makes sense for me to start a journal, as I'd like to keep track of how I am feeling as I start eating more raw (especially animal) foods. 

Today I ate:

Snack:  1 cup of carrot/celery/lettuce/cilantro/lemon juice with a splash of raw milk kefir

Breakfast:  salmon sashimi with raw coconut aminos and lemon juice, gok du gi kimchi (fermented radish with korean hot pepper), small bowl of chicken bone stock (eaten first).  Took 1 HCL capsule.  Everything seemed to digest very well.  Didn't feel tired after; actually had almost a "high" elated feeling.  Afterwards, had a normal poop (LOL sorry if this is TMI, but being constipated is one of my major issues and makes me feel terrible when I am), although I did still take 2 tsp. of natural calm magnesium last night.  Might discontinue this or at least go down to 1 tsp. tonight.

Supper (at work):  "french" steak tartare (raw beef chopped up with egg yolk, fermented kale, parsley and tarragon and salt--pretty good, actually), the rest of the salmon, about 1/2 cup of raw milk kefir with cinnamon and a tad of manuka honey, and about 1/2 cup of chicken bone stock (eaten first).  Didn't take any HCL, but drank a tiny bit of dandelion infusion bitters before to stimulate digestion.  Everything seems to be digesting well this time, too.  No "lump" feeling in the back of my throat (that I usually get when I don't take HCL with animal foods).  And I don't feel tired, which I almost ALWAYS did at this time at work.  Do have a tiny bit of throat-cleary-ness phlegm, but not much.  Not sure if this is related to the milk???  My sinuses are clear, which is where I used to get phlegmy with milk.  Maybe I'll cut it out for a few days and see how I feel.  It just feels very healing to me, so I'm not sure...and its SO YUMMY.

Oh, and also pooped (normal looking!) again just before eating supper, and it is SUPER rare for me to go twice in a day!!  YAY!! ; )  ....sorry, again, TMI I'm sure
I am also super-psyched that I ate a decent amount of veggie fiber today (compared to no fiber at all, as I was eating the last 3 days) and have had *NO* abdominal bloating.  NONE!  My stomach looks completely normal just after I ate, when before it would blow up to looking like I was 3 months pregnant!!
And I do seem to digest raw meat more easily.  I feel more nourished with less (like the amount that comfortably fills my stomach) whereas with other food, a lot of the time I wouldn't feel "satisfied" even after my stomach felt STUFFED.

Later I'll probably eat more of the steak and bone broth before I leave work (done at 10:30pm) and probably some carrot/zuchini/mayyyybe apple?  juice if I decide to forgo the magnesium, before bed.

I'm also hoping I come to like the flavor of raw meat.  I really gotta remember to take it out of the fridge a few hours before I eat!  Much better at room temp than cold.  The salmon was delish, though...but then again, I already love sashimi.  Unfortuently I haven't had any luck finding fresh grassfed meat or wild it was all previously frozen (wild alaskan, for the salmon.  Thats good, right?  My husband was worried about it not being technically sashimi-grade, which is apparently flash frozen?  I though most wild seafood was flash frozen at sea?)
<------any insight on this fish issue is welcome!

General Discussion / Candida/SIBO causing bloating ... fiber question
« on: December 09, 2011, 10:53:05 am »
I have a feeling that I have something called "SIBO" (small intestine bacterial overgrowth) to some extent (hopefully not so bad!) because whenever I would eat vegetables or fruit, my stomach would bloat a lot, and I would get a lot of gas in my intestines, which are pretty typical symptoms.  It got especially bad when I started the GAPS diet, which is aimed to heal the gut, but I guess because I upped my veggie intake so much, and started taking a lot of probiotics orally, it really aggrivated this.  As far as I know, its mainly the fiber that feeds the bacteria, and oral probiotics can contribute to the problem since they pass through the small intestine. 

For the last 3 days, I've just been eating meat/fat/veggie juice/raw kefir and eggs, to hopefully help heal this.  But I really feel like I need some more veggies and fruits back in my diet!  With being this low-carb, I am feeling quite low energy and woozy, and HUNGRY.  And I'm already skinny, so I don't need to lose any weight!!  Just heal my gut : )

On the GAPS diet, I was eating everything cooked (simmered in water or broth), but now I am wondering if it would be better to eat some raw veggies and fruit?  Would it be better to gradually ease into raw veggies by eating cooked ones first, or should I go right to the raw ones?  I know cooking does create some toxins, but which would be more digestable?  I just don't want to get that horrible bloating back!  But I am eating some veggies when I get home from work, or I think I might pass out from hunger!!!!!!  I just can't stomach the thought of any more raw meat or marrow right now.  And the suet is even worse : (

Also wondering about candida--I do have a slight whitish coating to most of my tongue, if I don't brush it off.  I have heard, though, that candida can feed on ketones, so going super-low-carb doesn't help necesarrily.  And I do tend to feel better with some carbs (veggies/fruits/raw dairy) in my diet.  HMMMmmmmmm
Thanks in advance for any advice!

General Discussion / Leftovers??
« on: December 09, 2011, 08:30:12 am » is my first day eating raw.  So far I'm eating raw beef and marrow, eggs and some raw veggie juice.  I really overestimated the amount of raw meat I'd be able to eat.  So, now I have about anohter meal's worth of sliced up raw beef, with salt, pepper, ACV, egg yolk and curry powder. 
How can I store this?  Is it OK to store in the fridge and eat tomorrow?  I am very perplexed on how to store raw meats!
Thanks, and sorry for the silly question!

Welcoming Committee / Excited to heal with raw foods! : )
« on: December 08, 2011, 11:38:42 am »
Hello everyone!
I found this forum, after doing some searching around online for resources on eating raw meat.  Lately, I've just really been feeling this pull to eat at least some of my food raw, especially meats and fats.

A little background on me:  I'm 26, and up until about 2 years ago, I was eating your typical SAD--mostly cereal, sugar, bread, ice cream and skim milk.  UGH!  Then, my freshman year of college, half my body went numb, and I was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis.  Took the crappy drugs for most of college years, until I wised up and started researching nutrition my last year.  I started eating a more Atkins-style diet about 2 years ago, which quickly transitioned into a WAPF diet.  Then, about a year ago, my husband and I got into the paleo/primal lifestyle (cooked & raw foods).  As of about 4 months ago, I had another MS relapse (mild, but annoying) which I think was triggered by a virus and me not being very strict with my diet over the summer (lots of eating out/cheat days).  So, my husband is continuing on the paleo/primal diet, and I am currently eating the GAPS diet (gut and psychology syndrome) which is kind of like a detox and gut-healing WAPF/paleo style diet.  I do feel like a lot of healing has taken place in me, but I still feel like there is a missing piece, which might be raw foods!

So, since I'm a bit of a newbie here, I do have some questions, if anyone could so kindly answer them?

1.  I have access to frozen, vacuum packed grass-fed beef, pork, chicken, turkey, elk, and wild alaskan salmon for meat.  Also have access to pastured eggs--not sure if they are fertilized or if this matters?  As of right now I haven't been able to locate anywhere to get fresh raw meat or fish from.  Is this OK?  From what I've read here, many say fresh is best, but previously frozen and thawed in the fridge for a day or two is OK as well.

2.  What are your suggestions for healing gut issues?  I'm pretty sure I have SIBO (small intestinal bacterial overgrowth), because I have a lot of the classic symptoms (extreme bloating after eating a lot of veggies or fruit, sensitivity to FODMAP veggies/fruits, symptoms go away when I just eat meat or bone broth, meat, fat and eggs).  I'm currently doing just meat/bone broth/fat/eggs (cooked and raw)/veggie juice/raw milk kefir/raw honey, and the bloating has gone away YAY!  I have many veggie ferments going right now--sauerkraut, kale, salsa, kimchi.  Any other things that you guys do raw-food-wise to heal from bacterial overgrowth/leaky gut?  One thing I'm worried about is because I have an autoimmune disease, and am currently in the healing process, will my system be able to handle any challanges brought on by eating raw meats (like parasites, e.coli)?

3.  What would be the best way to start getting raw foods into my husband's diet?  In his own words, he has a very "discerning" palette LOL.  Meaning, he does like some different foods (kimchi, spicy things, sashimi) but not a wide variety and its hard for him to get to like new things.  Me--I'm the TOTAL opposite!!  I pretty much like EVERYTHING.  So far, we've both been taking raw liver "pills" swallowed frozen and whole.  We both like sashimi.  What's the next step--especially meat-wise?

Thanks so much!! I'm sure I'll think of more questions glad I found this forum!  I've been reading over posts for a couple hours now, and already learned so much : )
Also, feel free to direct me to other threads if something in my questions are already being discussed.


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