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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Fat adapted and fasting glucose
« on: September 16, 2010, 11:34:05 pm »
carbing up helps you grow.  It's just easier to eat carbs than to eat protein, hence all the fatties we see around us.  I could just eat a double serving of meat, but overeating meat is hard when you're in ketosis. 

Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Fat adapted and fasting glucose
« on: September 16, 2010, 06:07:27 am »
Carbing up with fruit sucks.  It doesn't fill glycogen levels as well as a glucose polymer does. 

Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Fat adapted and fasting glucose
« on: September 15, 2010, 11:47:00 pm »
I've noticed that when I try to carb up I end up being in a diabetic state.  Not just blood glucose numbers but actual symptoms like blood pressure and water retention, all from a slice of pizza or so.  I've seen my blood glucose as high as 120 post exercise after a carb up.  If I continue eating carbs it seems my body relearns to regulate it better and the diabetes goes away.  I wanted to try a cyclical ketogenic diet, but it's just too painful for me.  It's either I stay in a fat burning state or a carb burning state, constantly changing states sucks. 

Exercise / Bodybuilding / Fat adapted and fasting glucose
« on: September 13, 2010, 11:53:35 pm »
hey all, it's been a while. 

I was just wondering if anyone else have been playing around with low carb and checking their morning glucose levels.  I just notice after not eating carbs for a long time and eating carbs puts my next day fasting glucose in the low 100s.  If I'm just eating meat it stays in the 70-80s.  Anyone else notice this phenomenon?   

I definitely think it is more than just having thick blood.  I remember in the hospital I had to keep eating chocolate to keep my heart rate controlled.  That's what lead me to believe that something in the chocolate was anti-adrenergic.  That's why I started drinking cocoa.  2 months later my cardiovascular system is back to normal. 

Take it or leave it. 

Your heart rate shouldn't change just because you eat zero carbs.  I eat zero carbs from time to time, I don't notice the heart rate issue.  I only notice it when I eat to much muscle meat.  It has everything to do with rabbit starvation.  That's how it starts, I've been there twice.  The first time I had it, I was extrememly lean, and I thought it was because I didn't eat enough fat.  This time around I had fat stores and had a worse reaction than last time, indicating I was missing something in my body, but it wasn't fat.  You have any idea how many freaking magnesium tablets I had to take to slow me down?  Where do you find the most magnesium in a cow?  The bones, that means you have to eat more stock or soup made from real bones.  After a period of time after going zero carb and eating muscle you will become somewhat more hyperthyroid, this goes back to zinc building up and copper becoming deficient.  The more zinc dominant the faster your metabolism becomes.  There were times I couldn't even eat a quarter of a chicken, everytime I tried to eat more my heart starts to beat really fast.  It took me a little over 2 months to be able to eat normally again.  Now I handle eating large amounts of meat without dealing with blood pressure and pulse issues. 

If you go zero carb and don't feel good, don't keep going with it.  That's your body telling you something is wrong.  There's no trial period like that going zero carb.  If you feel like crap, you're doing it wrong. 

I don't think my advice is bad, the guy can try a little chocolate with nuts, it's not going to kill him, but it can make a world of a difference.  The worst it can do is that it doesn't work or you can listen to Tylerdurden, the low carb god, and just suffer with a runaway heart. 

Sounds like the beginning of rabbit starvation.  This is not normal.  Ketogenesis just means ketones in blood or urine, it shouldn't make you have a strong/fast heartbeat.  Your problem is a imbalance.  Go eat some chocolate and/or nuts, that will fill you up with magnesium and the theobromine will help calm down your anxiety. 

This is what I'm talking about people, can't eat muscle meat forever.  Get your liver and kidneys in your diet.  Stop eating like civlilized people and eat like humans are suppose to.  Good luck. 

Thanks man.  It's hard.  It seems a lot of people in here have no clue about how much food it takes to see gains or really know anything about bodybuilding nutrtion.  Glad to see someone understood it. 

Dieting is only miserable if you don't have enough protein or fat.  Most weight loss diets are high carbs, which messes with hunger.  I can skip days without eating easily doing low carb. 

Alright then, try it.  The average american eats a ton of carbs too.  Carbs put you into anabolism.  Like I stated before, if you eat carbs with protein, the protein will go towards building structure.  What average american eats low carb?  Go work out hard everyday and eat a 1lb steak only and see how much gains you'll get. 

The only time nitrogen has to be excreted is during the breakdown of amino acids.  Unless you plan on running a marathon everyday, there's is no reason your body is going to break down that much protein for energy, unless you have some kind of metabolic problem. 

You need to read up on the strongman and bodybuilder diets of the past before the whole steroid and supplement craze came into.  Those guys ate tons of eggs, meat, milk, blood, etc... They didn't get strong eating a puny 150 grams a day.  Vince Gironda promoted eating 36 eggs a day on top of god knows how much steak he was already eating.  36 eggs a day is roughly 210 grams of protein already.  If you want to be anabolic, you need to up your protein period. 

300 grams is not a lot.  I don't see how you would grow with 150 grams without eating carbs.  If you eat carbs, it's protein sparing and all of the protein can go to building structures.  If you're low carbing, most of that protein will be used for energy.  The body doesn't store carbs for long term.  It has to store protein and fat for the long term.  No protein, no glucose, no immunity, etc.  That's why being muscular is better for long term health.  You don't live too long emaciated without muscles, look at all those starving skinnies in Africa.  In order to store protein, you have to eat it in excess.  Why do you think women respond to muscular men?  They're suppose to, just like men respond to a woman's chest.  It's all instinct.  If you're only eating 150 grams, you'll maintain, but won't grow.  Fat does not turn into muscle, protein does.  There's no nitrogen in fat.  You don't have to eat 300 everyday, but you do at some point if you want to increase your protein stores aka muscles.  How do you expect to grow without eating protein?  That's like 95% of the people in the gym, believing that working out makes your muscles bigger.  365 days a year and still look the same.  Those muscles need molecules from somewhere, it just doesn't come from outer space or another dimension.  Or the other way around, cardio all year round and still look fat and sloppy.  Women always compliment me on how great my skin is, I tell them I eat a lot of meat and fat, and they'll just say it's my genetics.  It just blows my mind how people don't think diet makes any difference.  We're all here because we understand diet does make a difference. 

I know protein slowly converts to sugar, that's why you should let your liver handle the glucose making instead of eating carbs.  To say that excess protein turns into fat, I personally went thru it, I did not gain fat, I gained muscles.  If you can't gain muscles eating that amount of protein, somewhere along the metabolic process, you're missing some vital nutrient or you are already at a genetic setpoint.  Go on any steroid forums, those guys are downing protein levels into the 500g.  If protein were a waste to eat, these muscle heads would not put much emphasis in it.  This should be common knowledge.  You really think ancient samurais and knights trained hard and didn't eat a lot of meat(protein).  The nobles understood this so well that they made laws that forbade the common person to eat meat, so they can have it all for themselves or their armies.  They understood that not allowing the peasants to eat meat would keep them weak and subservient, and besides it's a lot of work back then to raise animals.  Can't go passing around the good stuff to the "common man". 

Of course you don't want to eat liver all the time.  That's just like eating lean meat all the time.  You shouldn't eat anything all the time, but you have to eat it sometimes.  That just goes back to making sure your diet is balanced. 

it's not about fat.  It's about eating "lean meat".  The primitives knew they could not survive on lean alone.  Go look up the content of a steak on  I guarantee it doesn't have all of the vitamins and minerals.  You go on a diet of lean muscle meats, you will create an imbalance in your body.  Why do you think it's so important to eat liver?  That's where the copper and vitamin A is.  Keep eating this way and you'll be as nutty as the vegans.  No carnivore eats muscle first.  First they eat the organs, fat, and muscle and bones last.  You think your average bodybuilder knows how to grow?  I bet most of these guys wouldn't grow if you take their supplements away.  If your diet was so great you wouldn't need to take a multi.  You will not keep growing on lean meat, eventually you'll deplete all your vitamins and minerals, then you'll start dying. 

300g of protein is pretty normal and average.  That's about 2lbs. of steak and a dozen of eggs.  I don't buy the whole protein turns into fat business.  Glucose can only turn into fat if there's too much glucose in the bloodstream, which happens after eating a box of "goldfish".  I don't think the liver makes excessive amount of glucose.  I have not seen my blood sugar shot up that high after a high protein meal.  I don't think I put on that much fat when I was eating lean either.  Your body will upregulate protein metabolism though, which explains for the increased body heat, hence why protein is thermogenic. 

There's a reason why the old school bodybuilders mix their protein with cream.  Fat soluble vitamins are important bro.  Can't make cell membranes or testosterone without good old saturated fat. 

I like it that you were hardheaded like I am.  You'll figure it out for yourself when you get sick.  Good luck eating lean. 

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Itching
« on: April 01, 2010, 10:39:04 am »
Itching has been around before antibiotics, I think it's herpes or possibly scabies.  Just kidding.  Do you develop rashes or dry skin?  I know when I eat grains/carbs my skin itches more and I develop more acne and dandruff. 

Yea, you think it's funny.  Just wait til you start developing hyperthyroidism.  It ain't fun sitting around with a pulse rate of 100 and a pulse pressure of 70.  Good luck eating lean, I warned you. 

BTW, that poster above is me, the one who started this whole thread. 

Rabbit starvation is a combination of problems.  It is not just not getting enough calories.  I think I figured it out most of it though. 

One of the major problems with eating lean meat is taking in too much zinc.  Too much zinc will throw your thyroid off, putting you into hyperthyroidism.  That's why people end up having heart problems.  I had crazy heart problems and couldn't sleep.  I should've known better, I was heating up and not sleeping as much before I broke down. 

That was just one of the problems.  I also had issues with edema, indicating something was wrong with my fluids in/outside my cells.  I had increased intracranial pressure for the first month after getting sick.  It's been two months after and I'm feeling much better, but I still have a long ways to go to repair my body.  I know I damaged my cardiovascular system somewhat.  My kidneys failed and I had to take tons of vitamin D to get them working again.  Bones were hurting more, which I think is osteomalacia.  I think that had to do with my kidneys and the unregulated levels of parathyroid hormones from insufficient vitamin D causing the release of calcium. 

The point is rabbit starvation is not just hunger from not getting enough calories.  It is a metabolic syndrome caused by malnutrition.  Eating a monodiet of anything will cause a toxicity of whatever composition you're eating.  Any vitamin or mineral can become a toxin if you have too much of it.  Any lack of will cause a deficiency.  That's all I can come up with.  Good thing I know the truth of the body being able to heal from damage by good nutrition, otherwise I would've killed myself long ago.  This is not something you want to go thru folks.  I can't believe I went thru this twice. 

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: 'Beer gut'.
« on: February 19, 2010, 05:38:02 am »
Overeating on fat will make you fat.  What is this dude talking about?  Why do you think bodybuilders monitor their fat when they're cutting down.  I agree that it would be unnatural to OVEREAT fat, unless you're sitting around forcing yourself to eat pounds of lard.  Then again, I could turn on the tube and go thru a pound of nuts easily. 

Nobody has a flat stomach when there's food and poop in the digestive system.  Even if you had a lean six pack, if you walked out of a buffet after eating 5lbs. of food, your abdomen will be distended, that's totally normal.  Don't confuse that with being fat, that's two different things.  You never see a python get big after eating a large meal? 

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Questions for Carnivores
« on: February 19, 2010, 05:25:57 am »
Frequency is all based on how much you eat.  If I eat little I'll go less.  When I fast, I don't go at all.  Go figure.  Right now I'm eating 4-5lbs. of food/day.  I go at LEAST once a day. 

Since we're on the subject of BM, as you know my blood pressure is still somewhat high from my little experiment from last month.  I got constipated the other day and my blood pressure was so high that it was a struggle to push.  Instead of getting a stroke or an aneurysm or working on a big ass hemorrhoid, I just helped my anus out with my finger.  First time in my life I tried that, it was a such a relief from pushing.  It took about a day to get rid of the smell on my finger though. 

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Zero Carb
« on: February 19, 2010, 05:12:49 am »
You will always have some glycogen.  The only time glycogen is fully depleted is right after exhaustion of the muscle or liver.  Even if you don't eat after depleting it, your protein will be broken down to replenish glycogen stores, maybe not to maximum capacity, but you will have some replenished. 

If you find yourself cold after going low carb, you're just not eating enough.  After you realize how much meat humans are suppose to really eat is when low carb will work for you.  Believe me, I eat a minimum of 3lbs. a meat a day.  Better have a grip of cash for food.  Grass fed ain't cheap pal.  Don't try filling up on fruits and veggies because they are not going to heat your body up. 

Listen to your body, not the people on here, not even me.  If you're thirsty, drink.  Evolution didn't create thirst for nothing.  Listen to it. 

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: De Vany vs. Graham
« on: February 19, 2010, 04:55:46 am »
The dude in the video looks malnourished and I for one would not take any nutrition advice from him.  I don't see how people think they're going to get all their nutrients from fruits.  It's only a little better than candy. 

Go to and look up the profiles of liver and regular meat.  You gotta be a moron to keep eating muscle, like I did.   

This dude is an idiot.  He looks like he weighs 125lbs.  Can't take serious nutrtition advice from a guy like that.  Especially brownies.  Eat brownies and look like that guy. 

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: De Vany vs. Graham
« on: February 01, 2010, 09:05:57 am »
Screw the face.  We all know that we weren't "raised" right in the first place.  I know I'm not perfect.  I have physical flaws, but I work with what I have left.  The body, you have control over that.  Condition of hair, skin, eyes, and teeth, you have control over that.  I can look at people walking down the street and point out their deficiencies.  Nobody should have bad breath or have yellow teeth.  Nobody should have to wear deoderant.  Technically, there's no real reason to bathe.  Nobody should have acne either.  Everyone can have beautiful hair if they ate right.  Most of all, nobody should be fat.  It's almost impossible to be fat eating paleo.  Who the heck can sit around and eat fat all day.  I have so much energy I just want to run out and do something all the time.  Diet can change your body very quickly.  It doesn't take years to get your body to become healthy again, but it does take years to see a sub-optimal diet to degrade the body.  If you don't look, feel, think, act better after a diet change, then your diet is not working. 

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Water in a raw ZC diet
« on: February 01, 2010, 08:39:40 am »
Urine is suppose to be yellow.  It has urea in it.  The more breakdown of amino acids the more urea.  Go work out hard or fast and watch how brown/orange it can actually get.  If you eat a lot of protein and your urine is clear that means you're retaining more amino acids, which is a good thing.  You shouldn't have amino acids in your urine, something is wrong with your kidneys if there are. 

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: raw marrow
« on: February 01, 2010, 08:35:26 am »

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: We are faunivore!
« on: January 30, 2010, 12:07:51 pm »
I think the big thing is fat.  Every animal eats fats.  Herbivores just make it in their guts before it get absorbed into their system.  The only way humans can generate fat is eating excessive carboyhydrates and that happens in our bloodstream, not our guts.  Herbivores can get all their fat solubles by letting things ferment and generating fat to absorb it.  Humans need to eat fat, there is no way around it.  The only useful fementing we do is for farting.  I don't think Al Gore likes that, he's pissed off at cattle farts.  Nonfat eaters are the ones with the most digestive issues, go figure. 

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