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So when's the last time you ate a piece of meat or fish? And I hope the eggs you eat are from chickens that actually get to forage for insects. They're not worth eating, otherwise.

Today, and before that i think sunday night. i have it whenever i have time to get it. I get more when i go deep sea fishing. Yes the eggs are fertile and pasture raised. They are covered in bloom and feathers.

Im not resistant to eating other types of meat... place by me sells wild game(Elk,deer, boar i think), but its rare they have it in stock.

Hot Topics / Re: What do you guys think of Michael Greger, MD
« on: October 21, 2015, 12:13:25 pm »
Pushing fiber will relieve constipation mechanically, but that's not a solution. I was a high-fiber vegetarian for years and I was still constipated until I followed sensible ancestral-eating advice from this forum. If constipated members here follow that advice, I'm sure they will be fine. You could probably follow that advice with good benefit, instead of overloading your digestive tract all the time.

I dont think im overloading my digestive track... I just followed the advice of Jeff Leach, microbiologist who has been studying gutflora of Hadza.

General Discussion / Re: Dairy indecision
« on: October 21, 2015, 10:14:19 am »

So what does your "paleo" diet look like? Dude, veganism isn't paleo. Humans have never been vegans. Ever. Sure, there are a few supposedly vegan Buddhists in China (who are eating insects unknowingly in their food, no doubt), but we evolved as omnivores. Period. PERIOD. And nobody but a vegan troll would start a thread with this thread's title.

So exactly which animal foods are you eating? LOL

I know we evolved as omnivores... im not disputing this. the animal foods i eat are eggs, and fish that i catch off the coast of san diego, spear fishing and deep sea. I eat meat, just not as much as a lot of people here. i dont eat any dairy.

Hot Topics / Re: What do you guys think of Michael Greger, MD
« on: October 21, 2015, 10:10:30 am »
Wait, you tried zero carb, got constipated, and now you're blaming us?

Sheesh. Now that's a logical fallacy for sure. Do not conflate us with a zero-carb forum. None of the mods here eat zero carb (or really even low-carb), and probably less than half of the members even eat low-carb. LOL

Im not blaming anyone...

There is a zc section on this forum... and you were just giving examples of zero carb members...

I dont really care anymore man... some people get constipated on paleo... there are examples on this forum, and many other paleo forums....

Eating more fiber is a possible solution...

can we end this conversation lol...

You're too uninformed on these issues to even know why your sources are flawed, and what exactly causes those flaws. In addition (and this is the only deadly sin you're committing, but it IS deadly) you lack the necessary burning curiosity that people like me have.  You will never find the trutb about nutrition, because you just don't care enough. You refused to even read one chapter of Dr. Price's book. I read the fucking thing TWICE, all 569 pages.  Why? Because I wanted to prove that raw veganism was the ideal human diet, and I knew Dr. Price had found that modern diets caused crooked teeth and other problems. However, I didn't realize that Dr. Price's hypothesis was the same as mine, basically. He thought veganism was ideal, and was hoping to prove it's value by studying traditional tribes. His research convinced him otherwise, and it convinced me too.

But you'll never read the book, because you just don't have the passion like I do. That's OK, though. Few do, so no shame in that. Don't expect to fit in with wild-eyed mad scientists like us, though. You're too conventional for us.  You're a rule-follower, and we ...aren't.

once again... i never said people should eat vegan... idk where your getting this from...i eat raw paleo... ive posted on here before that im skeptical about the WAPF because they are currently funded my the meat and dairy corporations.

You havnt really gave a real reason why you dont like my sources... there are many others like them out there as well... but to each is own 

Hot Topics / Re: What do you guys think of Michael Greger, MD
« on: October 21, 2015, 09:44:29 am »
No, you are the one saying that fiber cured your constipation, so fiber will cure everyone's constipation. You are also trying to say that a veggie-heavy diet is ideal for everyone, but you simply lack the necessary intelligence, knowledge, curiosity, and reasoning skills to realize that our three anecdotal examples shows that there are definite exceptions to that rule. I don't have to ban you, because you're doing a better job of discrediting veganism than we ever could.

1) I never said it would cure everyones constipation. I presented research from 2 MDs that say high fiber diet will cure constipation, presenting an OPTION to the many people who get constipated on paleo diet. I did not say it was a cure all/cure everyone.
2) I do think a plant based diet, more fruits and tubers, minimal veggies, is ideal. This is based on my experience and the work of Jeff Leach. I never said people should go vegan, ever. I myself eat meat...
3) lack of curiosity? i have tried zero carb raw paleo, didnt work for me. Just came here to share information that sheds light onto the why...

idk why youre acting so defensive... i did not come here preaching veganism, i myself eat raw paleo... I did not viscously attack anyones lifestyle either... I just came here, presenting two MDs work on a high fiber diet(which can be paleo)...

Hot Topics / Re: What do you guys think of Michael Greger, MD
« on: October 21, 2015, 09:11:19 am »
It's about to give him an inflated sense of what it's like to be banned by cherimoya_kid.

im not trying to be disrespectful here... but once again you gave a logical fallacy... it worked for this guy, so it should work for everyone....

Go ahead and ban me... i just ask that anyone who comes to this forum and has constipation problems, please guide them to the, it could possibly save them lots of money on unnecessary medication.. could even save their life, prostate cancer claims many lives a year in my country. 

I don't know whether you are trolling or not. However, be aware my user title,"one who bans trolls", is VERY much based in fact, as any longtime member here will tell you.

i dont see how anything i said could be misinterpreted as trolling... I made a few claims, i backed them up with other sources...

General Discussion / Re: Dairy indecision
« on: October 21, 2015, 09:03:13 am »
fair enough. no sense in arguing anymore.

General Discussion / Re: Dairy indecision
« on: October 21, 2015, 07:57:24 am »
   are you trying to be antagonistic  here?   Seems like you're trying to find opposition for some reason?

No nothing is said should be considered antagonistic... how is holding people accountable for their theories and claims antagonistic...

Person A: What color is the sky?

Person B: Purple.

Person A: Can you provide any proof?

Person B: Hey! Stop antagonizing me!

No disrespect guys, but you both are not referencing any confirmable events, data, or research...

One of you is making a decision based on a youtube comment, and the other about an experience with an amish guy.... Not greatest sources in the world...

In the rare event that the worms in the video were from contaminated soil, it is more likely it was consumed from ground beef, not a vegetable... Look up how ground beef is made... disgusting.... the cow, covered in dirt, and layers of its own feces. its ground up with thousands of other cows just like it...   

I think its safe to assume the healthier the person, the easier the body will deal with parasites/worms... Just cause the body can deal with them, doesn't mean we can freely consume them disregarding possible negative outcomes...   

I do eat raw... usually the meat is cured, or i just add spices, onions, garlic, like a tar tar style dish... but now always... i dont eat as much meat as many people on this forum so my risks are much lower.

Clearly parasites are a problem, and its wise to do everything u can to avoid them. IMO its foolish not to.. like you guys said, you can even pick them up walking barefoot... why would you knowingly increase your chances of parasitic infection when you know there are methods invented specifically to avoid them.... To do so would be denying the collective knowledge of cultures round the world

General Discussion / Re: Dairy indecision
« on: October 21, 2015, 05:54:10 am »
That sounds like an extreme case of malnurishment, and zero evidence to suggest milk and blood is the best fix, or even a fix at all. Your statement is a logical fallacy... This group of people X, are malnuurished... Therefore they should drink blood and milk...

Almost all animal meat we consume will have worms or parasites, and almost all cultures who consume raw animal products go to length to avoid them. Take for example, the traditional way to eat suhsi... Fish was fermented, then dipped in fermented soy sauce, mixed with wasabi, and then eaten with ginger, all these methods were taken in precaution of parasites.

"The word "sushi" originally meant fermented fish, and has its roots in Southeast Asia."

"Nare Sushi took a couple months to prepare, and eventually becomes consumed before the fermentation process is complete."


Other cultures, after the fresh kill, eat the meat raw, but not before dipping it in the sour, and acidic bile sac of the animal.

"Just when I thought things couldn't possibly get any worse for Andrew on this E. Coli inducing bar-b-q trip from hell, someone yanked out the animal's gall bladder, spilled the contents of its bile sac into a bowl of spices, and told him to dip raw pieces of liver into it and eat it. Whatchu talkin' bout, Willis!?:


As we all know, spices themselves, have anti parasitic properties.

And finally we are all familiar with cooking methods... which helps prevent people from parasitic/worm infestation.

In conclusion, it is foolish to consume meat we know harbors parasites/worms, and think there could be no possible negative effect. Of course not every consumption will be problematic, but if one consumes raw animal product, consider yourself susceptible to infestation.

Still not convinced?

Witness your death:

Hot Topics / Re: What do you guys think of Michael Greger, MD
« on: October 21, 2015, 04:02:15 am »
I dont know why i recieved such ignorant reposes to this question... never did i try and convert or even promote veganism... you guys have serious ego problems.

I was simply asking peoples opinions of Michael Greger, and maybe a little background information... like my background info on the WAPF, showing their studies could be flawed and biased due to the fact they receive funding from the meat and dairy industry... a valid argument

Have to say i am very disappointed with the responses i received on this post. It displays terrible ignorance of social behavior, and demonstrates this forums lack of real, unbiased, peer reviewed scientific data. All i recieved from you guys was harsh resistance, and a steady stream of logical fallacies.

I sited the work of TWO respected MDs that have sound evidence against low carb, promoting a high fiber plant based diet. Just one happens to be a vegan(Michael Greger). His dietary choices should not have any reflection on the results his research has produced... The second was Jeff Leach, of the humanfoodproject. He has spent extensive time studying the Hadza, he does not promote veganism, but still has evidence against low carb, and promotes a high fiber diet.

Judging by the responses, none of you took the time to evaluate either of these two MDs work. Furthermore, you all failed to provide evidence that could provide an alternative point of view.

Once again, i am very disappointed in everyone involved in this thread. Because of the extensive use of logical fallacies, and people's inability to control their egos, nothing was accomplished here. Good job everyone.

Hot Topics / Re: What do you guys think of Michael Greger, MD
« on: October 20, 2015, 09:25:58 am »
It seems that some of the information you requested from us in on his "ABOUT" page on the link you provided. His site says he gathers his information from peer-reviewed work and that he's funded by a particular non-profit. There was no mention of getting information from spurious sources - no coyote spirit guides or any other such nonsense - but he is probably some combination of alternative and mainstream.

You asked us about his success rate. His website says, "We believe that a significant part of the problem is that individuals who want to make the correct dietary choices for themselves and their families are faced with a deluge of confusing and conflicting nutritional advice. The goal of this website is to present you and your doctor with the results of the latest in peer-reviewed nutrition and health research, presented in a way that is easy to understand," from which I gather that he is more of an author and speaker than a practitioner. Do you know someone who is being treated by him?

Tell us more about your interest in Dr. Greger.

No i dont know anyone being treated by him. My interest comes from my previous constipation experience from the paleo diet, documented on the forum. after Discovering his work, and jeff leach of the human food project, i was able to return to normal bowel function, which many said was not possible. They both recommend daily fiber consumption to be around 100g per day.

I am also not so sure about the new research floating around about saturated fat all these low carb people are promoting. I think its possible a Plant based diet, with minimal amounts of animal products is best for majority of us.

Hot Topics / Re: What do you guys think of Michael Greger, MD
« on: October 20, 2015, 06:17:27 am »
Ok, thanks for the link, but i cant find the specific text your referring to, this is getting a little off topic from my original question. I am looking for evidence to disprove Michael Greger. Who is funding his work? What monetary incentive does he have for publishing his research? Is his research fraudulent?

I am suspect of the WAPF:
According to their website, the WAPF “has no ties with the meat or dairy industry, nor with any organization promoting these industries.” However, they list Green Pasture, Vital Choice, and U.S. Wellness Meats, (all peddlers of meat and dairy products) as sponsors of their 2009 conference. New Trends Publishing is also a sponsor, a company who happens to sell several books and DVDs by Sally Fallon Morell, president of the Weston A. Price Foundation. They even admit many of their members (a.k.a. sponsors) are farmers.

Read more:

Hot Topics / Re: What do you guys think of Michael Greger, MD
« on: October 20, 2015, 05:38:33 am »
I dont have his book so a page number wont do me much good.

If you can find an online source thad be great, i cant find any.


General Discussion / Re: Dairy indecision
« on: October 20, 2015, 05:16:01 am »
I see ZERO reason to drink milk, unless you had no other means of survival... and you should think twice about drinking milk and blood... unless your trying to become a sumo wrestler...

Hot Topics / Re: What do you guys think of Michael Greger, MD
« on: October 20, 2015, 05:07:50 am »
I`ve been over this  subject before. The Maasai actually have always eaten some cereals as well. The difference is not what they eat but the fact that some of their food is eaten raw(ie blood and milk). The Kikuyu by contrast are a settled community so undoubtedly would hqve been eating lots of grains. Plus, being settled would not have been doing as much daily exercise as the Maasai.

As regards Michael Greger, he as usual like so many other researchers makes the mistake of pointing out the vast amounts of heqt-created toxins in cooked animal foods but fails to note that raw, high quality, unprocessed animal foods do not possess such toxins.

He is mainly attacking saturated fat, and heme iron concentrations in meat. Can you site any sources that show the difference between raw and cooked animal fats...

Hot Topics / Re: What do you guys think of Michael Greger, MD
« on: October 20, 2015, 05:05:55 am »
In east Africa there are two groups, the Kikuyu and the Masai, that have lived side-by-side for probably thousands of years. The Masai eat mostly meat, milk, and blood. The Kikuyu eat mostly fruits and veggies, with a little dairy and meat.

The Kikuyu have 13 times the rate of cavities as the Maasai. That's 1300%.

Sorry, no disrespect, but can you site a source to back your claim?

wouldnt cavities be due to lack of dental high gene, like brushing and flossing techniques rather than diet(which would have a smaller role). Many people on Aajonus's facebook forum are reporting terrible teeth problems...

Hot Topics / Re: What do you guys think of Michael Greger, MD
« on: October 20, 2015, 05:03:50 am »
looks out of shape, maybe overweight, needs glasses, balding, high voice,,  wonder how much was a result of going veg.  He's very good at making fun of eating meat, as if he knows something imperical.

Doesnt look out of shape or over weight to me.... definitely not the ideal athletic physic...but better than others highly touted on this forum like jack kruse... glasses is most likely due to the fact that hes a doctor, doing hours of close range research in an indoors environment... do you mean em·pir·i·cal*? his research seems pretty sound and well supported.

No. If you are joking, use an appropriate emoticon. If you are serious, re-take your high-school science class and pay close attention.

I didn't even open the article yet, i was asking a question before i possibly wasted any of my time... you should seek some anger management therapy...

Hot Topics / Re: What do you guys think of Michael Greger, MD
« on: October 19, 2015, 07:57:01 am »
Yeah, he recommends a plant based diet. His research seems extensive, and very sound. I was wondering other opinions.

I will never again follow the advice of Aajonus. I do so much better with lots of fiber in my diet, mainly from fruits. 

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