interesting.  i heard that some root vegs have serious toxins in them and that the people who eat them have learned over the millenia how to neutralize thru cooking.  also, the farmer that grows this stuff (as well as the EPA) is prob assuming that it will all be cooked - maybe there are pesticides or herbicides to consider as well.  Growing your own garden is prob the best solution.

(ive never heard of hopniss)

Please read the Fermi Paradox. It points out that, over billions of years of the Universe existing, that there must have been sentient aliens existing well before us. If interstellar travel was indeed possible, then even if such alien species were  far,far away, they would, even at the slowest (non-FTL) speed, have reached us by now or at least made some sign of their presence:-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox

its all opinion. 

 for how long did scientists think that planets were few and far between and now they find them all over the place.  maybe the circumstances for life to develop are extremely rare or maybe they arent, nobody knows for sure and then if we find other life they will all say "of course it makes sense"  and if we dont then they will adjust their models in the other direction and say how truly rare the circumstances on earth are.  just more bs.

Relevant ads?

I found this forum as a search engine result, but not as a sponsored ad.

yes i did too but some people might not know they're interested in a raw paleo forum until they stumble on an ad and something clicks

I do buy stuff on amazon, but nothing that I would consider raw paleo.

it doesnt necessarily have to have anything to do with paleo, its just a link to click on and i think the website gets like 5% of whatever the total spent is.  The guy from the Free the Animal blog was apparently making a decent amount of money this way.   Also the guy from One Radio Network ive heard does this.  And the website can also pick relevant products and have a little picture of them to click thru.  over on Free the Animal blog they had stuff like resistant starch sources like BRM Potato Starch,  Green Plantain flour, EV Coconut oil, etc.

Of everything I've learned here, I don't think my knowledge would have been enhanced by the forum having a revenue stream.

  how do you know that?  there might be more members today posting new topics, having diff ideas, contributing to threads etc - all related to Raw Paleo.   

Me too. I remember a speech I attended with other youths by the head of the Reagan administration White House transition team, given shortly after Reagan took office, in which he said "War with the Soviet Union is inevitable." It was long before the Internet and there were no cameras or recorders, so he gleefully revealed his true apocalyptic views, perhaps hoping to sway impressionable youths. He advocated a massive military buildup and a far-right autocratic state to prepare for the "inevitable" Armageddon. He basically wanted to bring on the destruction of the human race sooner, rather than later (my guess is that he was hoping for The Rapture). Ironically, the picture he painted of his desired America was not much different than the highly militarized Soviet Union, which I pointed out to him and he said something along the lines of "Better an American version than a Soviet one" (the phrase "Better dead than red!" was experiencing something of a revival at the time--and it was on a massive banner at a sort of quasi-military youth rally/gathering I was unfortunately present at not long after--Cold War hysteria and Reaganite militarism was at a peek at the time). George Gordon Liddy later echoed that idiotic sentiment when I asked him the same basic question not many years later, after he had given a similar fanatical speech, again without cameras or recorders present. I had seen enough news reels of Hitler that I recognized that Liddy emulated some of the physical and vocal style of Hitler and Goebbels when speaking. I just looked it up and, not surprisingly, Liddy admitted that he was enthralled by Hitler's speeches and Nazi music.

I witnessed at times how mobs of people could disturbingly check their brains at the door in the right context and embrace war and fanaticism even if it risked self-annhilation. Luckily, the transition-team douchebag got a negative reception from the youthful crowd and Reagan turned out to be more peaceful than the rhetoric of his most fanatical followers. I also like to think, or at least hope, that much of the more fanatical rhetoric and crowd behavior was bluster that people would not really have acted upon--some sort of mob venting. Perhaps too optimistic of me.

Ironically, we are now fighting the Islamic Jihadists that the Reagan administration armed and trained to fight the Soviets when atheistic Communism was seen as enemy #1. It's amazing how things have dramatically changed since then--nearly flipped. Fanatical religion has replaced atheistic Communism as the #1 bogeyman. On the other hand, there is much similarity too. We still find ourselves in endless war or hostilities. My nation has been at near continuous war, either cold or hot, for pretty much my entire life so far.
All living things have an innate drive to garner and consume energy and dissipate entropy. That's why the onward march of steamrolling "progress" is so difficult to manage and why resistance seems futile. It may also explain the Fermi paradox.
Fascinating. I just noticed that you too mentioned the Fermi paradox (sorry, I sometimes skim the comments instead of reading everything). So you have also recognized the mess our species is in.

If the destructive technology explanation is accurate, then resistance is nearly futile (with mavericks like you and me being drowned out by the millions calling for endless so-called "progress"), but we may as well try to resist, via things like raw Paleo diets and lifestyles. Might as well make our existence interesting and try to be the one intelligent species in the universe that somehow manages to survive.

interesting. 

You know what i liked about Liddy?  he didn't say (like a little pssy)  "Its the the YouTube fellas fault! He did it! He got them muslims all riled up and they couldnt control themselves!  Now excuse me i got some big donors in Vegas"

He took the blame like a man and went to prison.

You've piqued my curiousity... Of what importance are the appearance and time zone?

its easier for me to make sense of the posts if the time zone is set to my local.

i see that option and others are available to me now, maybe 25 or 30 posts is the minimum.

Edwin would know that. But remember, we have no ad revenue, or any other income for the site.

advertising to draw more users would be great too.  Raw for sure is the way to go for maximum health and maybe Paleo as well.  This site should have hundreds of daily users, maybe thousands.

whens the last time any of you lived in a heavily GM/chemical agricultural zone and actually saw AND WERE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE first hand how devastating it is to an ecosystem?

i see dead soil here on a farm just on the edge of town.  just totally dead, no organic matter.  somehow the crop grows and looks ok but maybe thats the reason supermkt produce has no taste for me. 

i also live near rice fields in a kind of wildlife area and there are coyotes roaming and in the winter time its kind of a flood zone and manmade "wetland" and the ducks and other birds love it.  i dont think the soil is any better though.

You people who are too young to remember the Cold War don't know what it was like. We literally came within a few minutes of global nuclear war several times. I hear World War II kinda sucked too. I also imagine living in most of the Middle East kind of sucks right now as well, especially Iraq and Syria.

i do remember the cold war, im 48.   

But seriously, when you correct the defects in people's brains, then you take away all or most of the reason people come into conflict in the first place.

will this solve for greed, lust for power, or people that have no respect for the law? 

I'm theoretically fine with using permaculture, etc. to feed people. Certainly I could teach you a few things about it. But that's not the ultimate direction things are going. Face the future.  It's coming whether you're OK with it or not. And your ridiculous assertions that Nature will always trump science are just that--ridiculous. You talk about the importance of human brajn size, and then forget what large brains cause. Science! That's what they cause. So get on board, or scream about it online. The result is the same.

You people have no idea the pain and work, years worth I've gone through to study these issues. You argue with me like we're equals. Not a damn one of you can equal my knowledge, or even close. I'm not bothering to cite studies because there are hundreds, and it takes years to understand this stuff. A few studies and 30 minutes of Googling will not give you the ability to teach me anything new. For that matter, even hands-on farming, which I've done plenty of, won't teach you either. You need both, plus an understanding of Moore's Law and related topics, plus years to mull it all over. I do not say any of these things lightly. My usually short posts belie a tremendous wealth of knowledge that none of you who argue with me even really guess at. Perhaps those who sit quietly do indeed guess correctly, but probably not many. It takes a very close reading of my posts to even begin to get an idea, and some things I basically never talk about.

wow, drunk or incredibly arrogant. 

You can sneer at the city dwellers, but they outnumber the few folks trying to do things the natural way, and that won't change.

and whats the point - do their numbers make them right?

Well, OK, then  fact is that my past experiments with hydroponically-created sprouts of various kinds were pretty dismal, whereas my experiments with raw wild game a few months later were stupendously beneficial to my health.

i grew and ate a lot of various alfalfa, radish, clover sprouts last year and didnt see too much if any benefit. was kind of disappointing.
only differences i ever saw so far were better skin from using EVOO regularly - although this might have happened with any good quality oil i guess.  also one time i juiced quite a bit celery and the next morning seemed like i could really breathe well.   i used to buy 2 x 25 lb bags of carrots a week for juicing but not sure there was much effect.

what benefits did you notice by eating raw wild game?

Geoff, I would suggest actually researching solar before you laugh it off.

As far as hydroponics causing some secret nutritional deficiencies, that's completely unsupported by any research of ANY type. Anxiety does not equal fact.

it just wont be as healthy as what you could grow in the soil.  for ex have you seen the free video "Back to Eden"? (the music is real corny lol)   i think that guy has the best gardening method.  he claims he doesn't even water his plants in the summer time.

i did see some interesting youtube videos on fish + aquaponics and supposedly incredible yields

re solar most of the money has come from govt subsidies etc.  and last i heard Germany's solar and wind production was so lousy that they were reliant on cheap nuclear from France.  still if i look on Amazon there are solar products that are getting into the range of being worth buying, like fold up solar panels that will charge small power banks over USB - pretty cool

Seriously? You make it sound like scientists are one, big, infallible supreme body of consenting theorists. There is no "they," and scientists aren't under oath. They are just doing what scientists do, and hoping to get a little respect from their scientific community.

For example, look at the variation about health science in the US vs any other country. You will see practices in one place that are considered unsupported in another. Who are you going to get to "admit" that they don't know for sure, and how would such an admission benefit anyone?

eh, i just notice some of them like to pretend they have all the answers when they dont. 

Actually, it's pretty simple to test the nutritional content. A refractometer can give you a good rough idea of the total nutrient content, and lab testing shows that hydroponic veggies are of at least similar nutrition as soil-grown, if not better. Fruits are harder to make work, but you just have to foliar feed the leaves with a nutrient solution maybe once a day.

yeah, i believe that brix stuff is useful but i dont trust hydroponics.  There are a lot of things going on in the soil to help the plants (different beneficial fungi and bacteria, who knows what else) and just like the farmers (and scientists) who believed NPK was enough...maybe they will supplement 15 different minerals this time but later we'll find out the plants looked fine but something was missing.   

Can anyone comment is his assertion that cooked food can be easier for those to digest?

to me i could see that cooked food, esp vegetables like potatoes, broccoli  etc could be easier to digest because the particle size is reduced and surface area increased - for ex white potatoes will just crumble after boiling.  I doubt my digestive system could reduce a raw potato as effectively.  But then what effect will the loss of enzymes have and what is the long term effect of having all the protein, minerals, vitamins etc heated say beyond the boiling point?  are all of these damaged?  certainly our bodies were designed to eat raw food

for your mid-section pains on eating i would consider a series of liver/gallbladder flushes if you haven't already and also dont rule out parasites.   the website  "cure zone dot com"  has good sections on this kind of thing and other people can help you there

if your hair grows forever count yourself lucky.  mine started falling out when i was 18 y.o.