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General Discussion / Re: Can we do without vegetables/greens?
« on: January 07, 2013, 12:30:54 am »
Honestly, I don't think fruits are that bad. They've only been problematic for me when I didn't eat meat & fat as well(80/10/10rv). Eating some raw fat with or right after fruit was great for me(beef suet as the fat really improved mouth/teeth health). In other threads there are pictures of people who look healthy and not old for their age and they eat an (almost?) all fruitarian diet. But I think that extreme only works for a few people, much like ketosis.
When starting to eat instinctively I eat a lot of fruit (~3 meals fruit&fat, 1 veg, 1 meat) but then seem to eat more meat and veg when I start feeling better.

Also, from what I've read a lot of the organic vegetable and fruit buying is mostly hype. From what I've read and heard, unless you buy organic at a local farmer's market all your organic produce will have been sprayed with organic pesticides instead of non organic ones. Farmers say the organic pesticides are more destructive than the synthetic ones because they kill good insects and bugs while the synthetic ones are very specialized.
Also, only hawaiian papaya is GMO, mexican papaya is fine.

Adora how long have you been in ketosis? You basically crave sweets when you add dairy but without dairy you're fine? I remember around the time I was starting ketosis I would get intense cravings for sugar/candy and drive down to the store and buy like 15 candy bars and just chow down. I've had similar cravings for sweets(just not that intense usually) throughout my life. For me the solution was greens. If I eat enough vegetables, especially leafy greens, I don't get cravings. I haven't eaten any processed food in 3+ years. Any time I see any candy, cookies, or w/e it just doesn't appeal to me anymore.

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General Discussion / Re: Shoes roundup
« on: January 06, 2013, 04:56:57 am »
I've been wearing some vibram KSOs and my feet(both heels and front) get sore from walking or running on paved roads, which is pretty much everywhere. And I'm definitely not overdoing it. I don't go for long runs in them or anything like that. Most of the time I just wear them to the store or things like that. I basically have to wear my thicker sandals most of the time now. I'm considering buying a shoe sole at a store and cutting it to fit inside so I have some more padding.

It seems like this problem would exist with any barefoot shoe.

I liked the vibrams mainly for their toe design which doesn't squeeze the front of the foot into an unnatural pointed shape like most shoes do. My toes have been obviously straightening out, the only problem is with the bottom of my feet getting sore. I used to run barefoot on grass when playing soccer as a kid and never had any problems. I'm pretty sure it's because of the hard paved roads and sidewalks everywhere. Odd that the guy running barefoot for miles on concrete in central park in that video doesn't seem to have the same problem...

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General Discussion / Re: Can we do without vegetables/greens?
« on: January 05, 2013, 04:27:29 am »
You crave other stuff when eating dairy? What do you crave?

So you've already been on raw keto for a while and like it? What's your daily diet like and what do you like about ketosis?

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General Discussion / Re: Can we do without vegetables/greens?
« on: January 05, 2013, 12:09:21 am »
Adora, I would strongly recommend to listen to your body. If you feel worse on ketosis then don't do it.

I have tried pretty much every diet imaginable(including what you just mentioned) and the good ones always effect me positively right away, and the bad ones don't get better. Ketosis is the exception in that it has a known physical adaption period of approximately 1-2 weeks. If you're not feeling good on ketosis after 2-3 weeks, stop.

There are definitely benefits from raw fats but ketosis seems to mainly be a weight loss strategy that only a small percentage of people function well on. I do well on a high fat diet but very poorly on ketosis.

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General Discussion / Re: Can we do without vegetables/greens?
« on: November 26, 2012, 04:18:27 am »
For those who haven't seen/heard it, Loren Cordain talks about eating an only fat and meat diet here: http://www.meandmydiabetes.com/2010/03/24/loren-cordain-caution-on-saturated-fats-disaster-with-grains-will-be-public-after-march-25th/

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General Discussion / Re: Can we do without vegetables/greens?
« on: November 17, 2012, 09:33:43 am »
On a ketogenic high fat diet you can eat as much nuts and low sugar vegetables as you want without leaving ketosis. Even vegan diets can be ketogenic, raw or cooked. The key point here is sugar.
This is wrong. A ketogenic diet is when you starve yourself of all carbohydrates and your body starts to create elevated levels of ketone bodies from fat to use for energy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketosis

In order to get into ketosis you have to eat 0 carbs for up to a week. Then you have to keep your carbs under 20-50g per day. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gZfJejOM8fJsX1iCilmnpp1qmT_KncJwWCR4-EsaEHc/edit?pli=1

It has solely to do with carbohydrates. Sugars just happen to be a carbohydrate.  You said you eat lots of nuts. Look at how many carbs are in nuts: http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/carbcounts/a/Carbs-Fats-And-Calories-In-Nuts-And-Seeds.htm

It's a lot! Take peanuts for example.  The more common nut. It has 4.5 carbs per ounce.  36 carbs in 1 cup. When I eat nuts I often eat 2+ cups at once.  Cashews and almonds have significantly more. Then you have to calculate the carbs in everything else you eat. Most vegetables are low in carbs but they do have some that add up.

This leads me to believe that you think you're in ketosis but you actually aren't.

i have a request. could those of you who have found their ideal diet please describe it briefly and include their blood type?
My blood type is AB negative. I've tried:
Cooked vegan - lots of sweet potato, legumes, vegetables, and maybe some fruit. I felt kind of "empty" and craved meat. I felt similar emptiness and meat craving on 80/10/10rv.
80/10/10 raw vegan - eat fruit all day with 1 big vegetable meal at the end of the day.
Raw paleo ketosis - only meat fat and low carb vegetables like greens.
Raw paleo - fruit, meat, fat, vegetables, nuts. I've also tried raw dairy.

The ideal diet for me is raw paleo with no nuts or dairy and only watery fruits(ex: no bananas or dates). I eat some beef or lamb fat after eating fruit. I eat 2-3 meals of fruit & fat, 1-2 meals of meat, ~1 meal of vegetables. I eat instinctively and don't mix different types of food(except for fruit + fat together) in the same meal.

This was my experience with 80/10/10rv:
I had high hopes for this diet but it turned out to be as dangerous as it sounds. I tried the diet for about a month. I read people's reviews and warnings and did the diet perfectly - 80/10/10rv. I ate LOTS of fruit and had a huge meal of vegetables at the end of the day.

Hair loss: The first time I took a shower after starting the diet my hands were covered in hair after shampooing. It was pretty scary. The hair loss is slowing down now after stopping the diet for a few weeks.

My gums started to recede, my teeth were visibly grinding down; two of them chipped.

I think some of it has to do with the acidity that fruit leaves in your mouth. You're not supposed to brush your teeth after eating fruit because the acid temporarily softens the enamel and the toothbrush then wears it away. But if you're eating fruit all day it makes it difficult to find a time to brush, and if you don't brush then it leaves your mouth acidic the whole day(which is what I did - only brushed once a day).
I think the solution would be to eat some type of vegetable after every single meal in order to neutralize the acid, but I'm not willing to risk trying this diet again.


This was my experience with raw paleo ketosis:

Keto has to be the worst thing along with 80/10/10 Raw Vegan that I have ever done for my health.

During keto I got all the usual negative symptoms associated with a the diet.  Brain fog, fatigue, anxiety, heart palpitations, & a kidney stone. For over a year I kept at this diet because people said: it takes a week for your body to adapt, it can take 1-3 months to adapt, it could take more than a year to adapt but it's the best thing ever.

After bringing back fruit into my diet all the symptoms slowly went away.

Not to mention your daily diet every day on raw keto can be extremely bland & monotonous; especially without any plant foods!

A varied diet would look something like: for breakfast you eat chicken, for lunch you eat beef, for dinner you eat seafood, for snacks you eat fat. Every single day.

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General Discussion / Re: Can we do without vegetables/greens?
« on: October 29, 2012, 05:59:36 pm »
My ketogenic experience was  odd. Whenever I avoid plant foods for several days, I start feeling hyper-alert and very calm etc., my appetite is much less(and seems more normal). I also find I increasingly get far less stamina during exercise. After c. 3 weeks of going ketogenic, I swiftly deteriorate and get brain-fog, anxiety, heart-palpitations, and severely weakened teeth, and feel constantly massively dehydrated yet no amount of water consumption gets rid of the  feeling of dehydration. Soon I have to give up and go back to raw omnivore  or face imminent hospitalisation. Everyone is different, I guess. I wish I could go ketogenic permanently as it would lower the cost of my food dramatically.
Your description sounds like your body is going into conservation/starvation mode. Increasing alertness to help you find food, while decreasing appetite to help you last longer.


Many people suffer from receding gums, caused by grains and fruits. In deep ketosis the gums grow back! Most dentists still believe that this is impossible. Most people on ketogenic diets sleep much better. Levels of concentration are higher, stable blood sugar levels, no spikes, no mood swings, much higher fertility. etc.
I experienced the receding gums & teeth grinding and chipping when I tried 80/10/10rv. I don't need ketosis for my mouth health to return. All I need are enough animal fats. Returning to raw paleo reversed/stopped it all. It seems to be large amounts of animal fats that are important, not ketosis.

As for your statement/description of "most people" on keto diets. That only applies to people who can handle keto. People who can't, like myself, experience all those negative symptoms while ON keto; and the symptoms are absent while on a regular raw paleo diet.

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General Discussion / Re: Can we do without vegetables/greens?
« on: October 29, 2012, 02:45:52 am »
There seem to be a lot of people on this site advocating ketosis. I tried it for over a year  because of the suggestions and comments of people on this forum.

Keto has to be the worst thing along with 80/10/10 Raw Vegan that I have ever done for my health.

During keto I got all the usual negative symptoms associated with a the diet.  Brain fog,  fatigue, anxiety, heart palpitations, & a kidney stone. For over a year I kept at this diet  because people said: it takes a week for your body to adapt, it can take 1-3 months to adapt,  it could take more than a year to adapt but it's the best thing ever.

After bringing back fruit into my diet all the symptoms slowly went away.

Everyone seems to be different. Some people can handle and even benefit from some things, while  others can't. This is a quote from someone advocating blood-type diets: "As a dental hygienist  who's surveyed lots of patients, the connections between blood types and what works in the body  is uncanny".

Not to mention your daily diet every day on raw keto can be extremely bland & monotonous;  especially without any plant foods!

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General Discussion / Re: Raw Intestine - Can You Eat It?
« on: June 30, 2011, 01:52:39 pm »
lol techy u 4chan?

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General Discussion / Re: I'm bbbback. All raw, yet again.
« on: June 12, 2011, 07:55:15 am »
Where do you get your raw cream and butter from? How much do you pay for it?

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most probiotics just upset my stomach, high meat seems to do everything probiotics are supposed to, if not more.

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General Discussion / Re: bison vs beef - omega 3 ratio
« on: April 30, 2011, 01:28:28 am »
If you add some seafood I would say there shouldn't be any shortage of any nutrient...
I should know this by now but we can't survive off of whole animals alone? Even after growing up on many types of plant food it seems like it would be foreign to choose to eat plants in the wild(when seafood not available)... of course with fruits being the exceptions, but everyone says modern fruits were non existent in those days.

By law, you should be able to get everything but the brain.
Where did you learn this? I'm having trouble finding the federal government guidelines/rules for meat inspection. But this page mentions BSE prevention http://www.azda.gov/Main/administrative_rules__laws.htm
"they prevent cattle that cannot walk or rise from being slaughtered for use as human food. Two, they prevent specified risk materials from cattle over 30 months old, including the brain, skull, eyes, trigeminal ganglia, spinal cord, certain parts of the vertebral column, and dorsal root ganglia, and the tonsils and distal ileum from all cattle from being used in the human food supply. "
I'm pretty sure I/you can still get brains from cattle under 30 months old. Neither of the inspectors I've talked to so far have said I can't get brain.
Seems like it would be on this page/site http://www.fsis.usda.gov/regulations_&_policies/Federal_Meat_Inspection_Act/index.asp but I can't find anywhere that it talks about specific parts of the animal. So I called the same inspector again and he told me only certain things like the penis and certain glands are not allowed to be sold for food, and he also confirmed the 30month brain thing. He said the gal bladder & lungs are not allowed but the spleen is allowed. He said a lot of it is up the establishment on whether or not they wanna give you something, and you can get somethings if you tell em it's not for food(human consumption)...
I told him I wanted to read this somewhere and he said it's in $400 books that might not even be available to the public, but that I might be able to find it on the usda fsis site(linked above) or somewhere else, and to search for 9cfr and the parts about this stuff might be in the 300's.

I did a quick google search for 9cfr and there are a few sites like this http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?sid=900ea0ccb72010a4fb5a401f3d42f82c&c=ecfr&tpl=/ecfrbrowse/Title09/9cfrv2_02.tpl that seem to have everything. I don't have the time to go through it all right now, but I'll try to find exactly where it talks about the stuff we can or can't have as soon as I can.

I'm also curious to know exactly what organs/parts of the animal are worth trying to get. Like what their nutritional/health benefits are. Anyone know if there's already a thread about that(not sure what keywords to use to find that)?

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General Discussion / Re: bison vs beef - omega 3 ratio
« on: April 28, 2011, 07:44:47 am »
OK,
I called my local inspection agency(http://www.azda.gov/asd/mpi.htm) and actually talked to the inspector that was at that exact place when I was getting blood before, and he confirmed that it's ok but I just have to give them plastic container's to put the blood in unfortunately, because they said they can't have glass there in case it breaks and gets into the other parts of the animal. So now I just have to call the slaughter house tomorrow and tell em it's been ok'd again.

He also said I can get pretty much anything except some parts of the animal - like certain glands - which are not considered food by the federal government. The only way to get these is if you give them a letter saying you need it for a school project or something. Or if you bring your own animal in, or maybe if you find a farmer that'll do something like that.
I'm going to look up the federal government guidelines/specifications and see if I can submit a complaint or something about them not considering the whole animal as food... and maybe you guys can also do this since the more complaints they get, the more likely they are to do something. I'll post the federal government stuff here as soon as I find it.

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General Discussion / Re: bison vs beef - omega 3 ratio
« on: April 23, 2011, 06:29:11 am »
I need some advice. I started out getting fresh 100% grass-fed beef liver, heart, kidney, & suet from a butcher. I asked them about getting other stuff like brains, blood, tongue, etc. and they told me to order it from the slaughterhouse, which I did for a month or two.
Now I'm being told that there's a new inspector and I can't get that other stuff anymore. I spoke to the inspector and he told me he'd have to check with his boss, which he said he did and his boss said they can only sell me the basic liver, heart, kidney stuff. I asked if there was a reason and he said his boss didn't say and he didn't want to bug his boss about it again because he's worried about keeping his job. I mentioned brains in particular and he said it was fine with him but the slaugherhouse owner/manager didn't want to bother with that stuff anymore...

The only other meat source I've found that's somewhat nearby is this http://www.arizonabuffalocompany.com/articles.htm
but they say "Bison, as do cattle, require the occasional immunizations for the juveniles."
so they are injecting their bison with vaccines....
do you think it's even a good idea to see if I can get blood, brains, tongue from them? Is liver, kidney, heart, chicken, few eggs, coconut butter, avocado, and suet enough?

I really want blood & brains... blood is really refreshing and energy boosting, and brains are such a good source of cheap omega3 fats.

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Health / Re: How to Use Papaya Seeds for Deworming
« on: April 23, 2011, 05:05:16 am »
any update on this?

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General Discussion / Re: Why would high meat be healthier?
« on: April 17, 2011, 07:42:15 am »
Just for you Donkey Kong, I will try leaving meat in the Arizona sun.
Did you do it yet? I put some chicken legs out but there's so many flies landing on it, I took it inside :/
I know I'm not supposed to worry about that but ugh, I wanna shield it from the flies ._.  -only thing I could probably do is put a cloth over it but that wouldn't really be the same...
Maybe out in the wild I wouldn't care as much but these flies are probably feeding off & carrying all kinds of crap(I live in an apartment).

-but for the 15mins or so that it was out there it did just seem to start drying and bacteria need moisture to thrive so I doubt it would get high.

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General Discussion / Re: Why would high meat be healthier?
« on: April 14, 2011, 12:38:47 pm »
haha cool ^_^

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Off Topic / Re: On Voting...
« on: April 14, 2011, 01:57:46 am »
That's actually an interesting idea Tyler. One of the very few I've seen.

Most other comments/videos about being anti-tax are plain stupid, naive, selfish, etc. because they don't suggest any other type of societal change(like zeitgeist/venus project does). And to eliminate taxes alone without MAJOR societal change would be moronic and chaotic, and the cause of much human suffering.

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: eggs
« on: April 14, 2011, 01:42:34 am »
hmm, weird. The miracle whey page doesn't say it's pasteurized though.

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General Discussion / Re: Why would high meat be healthier?
« on: April 13, 2011, 03:37:42 pm »
put the jars with the meat in it outside in the sun? or just put the meat on a plate and put that outside in the sun?

because depending on where you live(how dry it is) if you put the meat on a plate or something out in the sun it would most likely dry rather then get high.

@actup do you live in phoenix area? because the butcher here I get my meat from says there's another guy who gets organ meats from them and eats raw.

@Ioanna I keep my high meat in glass jars and air them out twice a week, and the rest of my meat I keep open air(causes the outside to dry and both keeps & tastes better) - either fridge or room temp(fridge mainly if I'm thinking there might be roaches around, but most things taste better at room temp). I've been eating a lot of raw cheese recently and noticed that this one kind I got didn't taste good at fridge temp at all but tastes much much better at room temp.

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Hot Topics / Re: Raw Paleo Children?
« on: April 13, 2011, 03:16:22 pm »
yeah I actually linked that pic to someone who was thinking raw meat was dangerous.. I couldn't find the source though - http://bi.gazeta.pl/ says forbidden

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General Discussion / Re: We Need Good Bacteria To Be Healthy
« on: April 13, 2011, 03:12:11 pm »
Fibre is essential because it was much larger part of our prehistoric diet. Humans are always trying to concentrate the food. All of the serious studies I have seen on prehistoric indicate that we were omnivores getting a lot of fibrous fruits and veggies.

The large intestine's job is to squeeze the water out of the digested food before it leaves the body. If there is nothing there to squeeze on it cramps up. The fibre also has a cleansing action on the intestional walls and acts like a sponge to soak up body wastes.

It helps prevent colon cancer.
shouldn't raw fat and bacteria be able to keep the intestines clean enough by themselves? and wasn't it our switch from eating less fiber to eating more carnivorous that helped us evolve from apes into humans? I saw or read something(I forgot where/what) that monkeys/apes have large stomachs because they eat so much fibrous food, and the reason our brains are so large is because we stopped eating so much fiber and therefore our stomachs were allowed to get smaller and our brains larger. This concept also makes sense as to why our brains shrunk after we started cultivating our food.

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Off Topic / Re: On Voting...
« on: April 13, 2011, 03:00:15 pm »
I don't know what straw man attack is but it was a general comment towards 99% of the people who are against healthcare for everyone, saying the government is stealing our money in order to pay for other people's shit, yet at the same time they don't say anything about how the fire department, etc. are doing the same thing.

It sucks that so many people are raised to not give a shit about anyone else but themselves. Make more money, buy more things.

BTW, you don't condone the fire department?? why the hell not...
sure if everyone was living tribe-like lives with no modern cities or technology that would be fine to say something like that, but different circumstances require different things... in our current city/tech/social structure it would be pretty fucking retarded to not have things like the fire department paid for through taxes... same with healthcare.

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Off Topic / Re: On Voting...
« on: April 13, 2011, 12:42:16 pm »
Max you might have a medical condition that you feel requires doctors to help,
but that does not justify stealing from others to pay for those services.
so it's not ok to "steal" money to try and prevent/stop me from having my life waste away in extreme agony and hell, but it's ok to "steal" money in order to prevent someone's non-living structure from burning down.
OK MAN.

and majormark I think you're wrong

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: eggs
« on: April 13, 2011, 12:38:25 pm »
what kind of protein, whey ? 

my main protein now:

http://www.amazon.com/Whey-Protein-Certified-Organic-Unflavored/dp/B004AC06FS/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1302569504&sr=8-3


http://proteinpowder.mercola.com/

both of the whey proteins are made from raw milk, which would be a big step up from organic pasteurized. The one I tried was the miracle whey.

I was interested before in adding his whey protein to my diet sometime in the future whenever I could afford it because I read "overall top food for maximizing your glutathione is high quality whey protein"
but apparently I didn't read enough because he also says you can get it from raw meat, raw eggs, and even raw vegetables and fruits - as well as exercise... so the only reason left to buy it would be for the taste/variety

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