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"'healthy' gut microbes from a carb eating person will have little effect or value for someone eating zero carb."

I wouldn't think so. The gut microbiome is vastly more complex than that. Its functions extend way beyond digestion of food.

And there are very complex interactions, such as some microbes breaking down fats/proteins, while other microbes rely on those secondary metabolites created by the "primary" microbes, use them, resulting in further chains of events/impacts.

There are citations in the wiki I posted, but essentially it seems you're over-appreciating the impact your diet will have.

Diet generally only changes the percentages of gut microbes temporarily. Though there can be some generational losses from long term poor diet.

Most of our microbiome is inherited/developed in the first 2 years of life. There is huge variation from person to person. There is no telling whether your gut microbes, either generally or for digesting 'x' foods, are better than someone else's. We have some ways of screening for FMT donors that may be able to give some idea though.

FMT can transfer microbes that give a person the ability to digest certain foods, rather than "needing to eat certain foods to obtain certain microbes". FMT is extremely powerful and fundamentally changed the gut microbiome. Diet in comparison will simply change which current microbes thrive and what metabolites are created.

they are only going to take hold and grow if you give then what the donor was eating. For instance, I THINK, you could implant a carb eater's poop in me and nothing much would happen except the look on my face while it was being done.   

This is not correct.

I've done FMTs now with 9 different donors. The major issue is finding anyone healthy enough. They seem to be less than 0.5% of the population.

Feel free to post any info from our PMs. I would recommend these links:

Health / Re: Fecal Microbiota Transplant - need stool donor
« on: January 21, 2017, 02:26:04 pm »
You are acting like an ass though, and treating people who are quite knowledgable about this poorly
Can you be more specific?  You could PM me so as not to clutter the thread with off-topic discussion.

"Scam" was not the word I was looking for, but my brain function is quite low at the moment so I have trouble finding the right words. I tried a thesaurus to no avail.

Health / Re: Fecal Microbiota Transplant - need stool donor
« on: January 20, 2017, 11:49:17 am »
Did you not read what I wrote?
I bought his protocol.
I actually DID his protocol for 5 months.
I successfully healed myself from mold / fungus infection.
So I am telling you it is not a scam.

Good grief man.

There have been many similar claims from various people on this forum. I've tried some of them since I was desperate, but I have more knowledge now.

Anyway, I'd like to keep this on topic.

Health / Re: Fecal Microbiota Transplant - need stool donor
« on: January 20, 2017, 11:32:17 am »
We'll have to agree to disagree on most of that.

Health / Re: Fecal Microbiota Transplant - need stool donor
« on: January 20, 2017, 09:10:49 am »

Follow that teacher.

If you live near him, go live with him for a few days.

I bought his protocol because I live far.

Was successful. I was infected by mold /  fungus, like he did.
Took root in my guts.
Was living in an infected house.
I relocated.
Followed his protocol and got well.

It looks like a scam. I'm 100% positive I know more about the gut microbiome than he does anyway.

Health / Re: Fecal Microbiota Transplant - need stool donor
« on: January 20, 2017, 09:04:52 am »
If you build it the Bactria will come!

Health / Re: Fecal Microbiota Transplant - need stool donor
« on: January 20, 2017, 07:41:41 am »
Im not very trusting of secondhand online research?
Ok, so follow the citations I provided.

>The problem is that my methods will not be researched by an establishment that would refuse to feed people rotten meat and raw intestines.

That's not really a problem. There are enough studies showing that gut microbes are strain/host specific:

Yes, getting some food-sourced microbes can be helpful, but they're very different from the ones native to the human gut.

>Please give us some more personal information and perhaps we could get a better idea of how to give help suggestion. Are you taking drugs, supplements or other treatments? Are you living in a way that would prevent or inhibit the natural process of recolonization?

I've tried pretty much everything possible. I did various versions of the raw paleo diet, and did 80/10/10rv as well. I only take imodium & creatine because they help with fatigue that leaves me bedridden for most of the day. At the moment I'm eating ~80-90% resistant starches: and prior to that I had to dwindle my diet down to basically only raw milk. Currently it seems like my main problem has to do with bile production/absorption due to antibiotic damage:

>I eat sheep stomachs and intestines, and do nbot was the fecal matter from the offal. The organisms that live in the bowls of the animals you consume will be optimal to repopulate your gut, and the soil organisms that grow your plants will also be good, if the overall environment is optimal.

So essentially you're doing FMT from animals. That's a lot more risky and probably less effective for the previous factors I mentioned regarding strain/host specificity.

>though I would agree to the premise that it could be beneficial "if" you had a truly indigenous human who lives in the manor I prescribed then it could be something to consider depending on the circumstance... such a person would naturally accumulate the right balance of bacteria needed to digest the local Manna

This is an appeal to nature fallacy that is not supported by the research.

Health / Re: Fecal Microbiota Transplant - need stool donor
« on: January 20, 2017, 04:41:07 am »
Fecal transplants would only be warranted for people who have undergone long term antibiotic treatments.

Ideally a person can reestablish healthy gut flora by simply eating whole natural foods. Dry aged meats and plant based foods grown with quality compost eaten right out of the ground would be a good place to start.

Also it takes time...perhaps up too two years?? to totally reestablish a healthy gut microbiom after being wiped out. The first step is to cease all drug use, and stop consuming foods that are irritating to the bowels. Then I would recommend stomach and intestinal smoothies made of the healthiest and most quality animals you can obtain. The intestinal fats and tissues, the pancreatic tissue, liver, glands and organs will all have a positive effect on rebuilding strong and functional bowls.

I've been following the research on this very closely so I know a lot about this subject. The above text is not accurate. Firstly, antibiotics can have permanent damage that can only be fixed by replacing the killed off microbes. Diet cannot do this. Secondly, "only warranted for people who've taken antibiotics" is not accurate either. See this: Diet-induced extinctions in the gut microbiota compound over generations:

Beyond the wiki link I posted in the OP, here's more info:

Although there are folks on these boards who do suffer from various maladies, not everyone's like that. I consider myself a healthy person, though not sure what the medical criteria are for becoming a fecal donor. It also seems to me that you should really be looking for someone locally. I assume that the outpatient facility where the transplant will occur will probably want the receive the fecal donation without it being shipped across country?

The criteria for being a donor are in the wiki link I posted in the OP:

This screening questionnaire in particular:

A local donor would absolutely be preferable. However, I've been trying to find just that for the past year and haven't been able to do so. Here's a list of most of what I've tried over the past year to locate a donor:

BTW, you can actually ship the stool via overnight across country, but it's more ideal to do it in person within a few minutes of the donor's BM. I'm willing to travel if necessary. I live in Arizona at the moment. There's also no hospital involved, since the research is so new right now anything that is not C.difficile infection is DIY.

Here's an article about a guy doing the DIY procedure I'll do (except he does some extreme & unnecessary things):

Health / Fecal Microbiota Transplant - need stool donor
« on: January 18, 2017, 10:42:53 am »
Hi guys, I'm trying to find someone healthy enough to be a stool donor. The qualifications are really strict and so far no one healthy enough has been willing to be a donor.

From what I can tell, most people on this forum seem to be dealing with their own medical problems so there might not be many valid donors here. But if anyone knows someone super healthy that would work. If there are some specific people on this forum who are super healthy can you name them so I can PM them in case they don't see this thread?

Here's a bunch of info on it:

Does anyone know anything about visiting tribes? I'm thinking about trying to visit the Maasai or something... What are some other tribes known for great health? If it were possible, young Jamaican track & field athletes would be amazing donors, but I imagine they might have similar reactions as the US athletes that I've tried to solicit.

Health / Re: Help! my son has lead in his blood the level of 31
« on: January 18, 2017, 10:22:48 am »
Your reaction to the health department trying to figure out how your kid is being poisoned sounds really problematic.

Rife is BS. Lead poisoning should be taken to doctors.


Parasitic helminths are potent immunomodulators and chronic infections may protect against allergy-related disease and atopy. We conducted a cross-sectional survey to test the hypothesis that in heavily helminth-exposed fishing villages on Lake Victoria, Uganda, helminth infections would be inversely associated with allergy-related conditions.

Contrary to our hypothesis, we found little evidence of an inverse relationship between helminths and allergy-related outcomes, but strong evidence that individuals with certain helminths were more prone to atopy in this setting.

omg, lmao.

Info / News Items / Announcements / Re: Probiotics; fecal transplants.
« on: November 02, 2015, 04:35:55 pm »
Not completely. Don't feel like you need to. I'm just posting them in case anyone finds one or more of them interesting.

I really doubt big pharma companies would bother going on a small online forum to mess with fewer than 50 raw fooders.

This forum is not making a dent in their profits.

Info / News Items / Announcements / Re: Probiotics; fecal transplants.
« on: November 02, 2015, 05:00:23 am »
Some really cool info in this reddit sub: - The newest submission shows that even heat-killed bacteria can have affects, in this case they're positive affects.

Others I've saved recently:
Open biome (donors):
IBS success story:
Soil based probiotics:
Stagger doses so don't compete for resources:
Consume probiotics with meal or prior to meal. Calcium phosphate absorbs bile acids and increases probiotic survivability. Calcium carbonate does not:
Children who take antibiotics gain weight faster (also seen in feed animals):
Artificial sweeteners induce glucose intolerance by altering the gut microbiota:
Effects of Gut Microbes on Nutrient Absorption and Energy Regulation:
Therapeutic opportunities in the human microbiome:
Starving our Microbial Self: The Deleterious Consequences of a Diet Deficient in Microbiota-Accessible Carbohydrates:
More pubmed results:
Results from nature journal:
Reddit results:

Who is "they"?

I can see some kinds of raw vegan types doing some trolling, but you guys seem to be scared of a different entity.

Article I just read about helpful worms vs parasitic ones:

This forum is probably already infiltrated by some of these people, so I fully expect those stories to come up here as well.
You really think people would dedicate that much of their time to do something like that? That seems incredibly paranoid.

>So we have another account of worms without any evidence...... next time someone passes a worm, please take pictures, or even better take it to a vet or some elsewhere they can have it tested.

Yeah, I didn't know our testing methods were so unreliable so I didn't know I needed to do any of that. I did post a thread about it a couple years back though:

Wikipedia points out some flaws/critiques of Weston Price's research:

So far I really haven't seen any convincing info/sources that would make me confident enough to ignore all current medical knowledge about the dangers of parasites.

Pretty much every wild animal is infested with them. Domesticated animals are mostly free of them. I have seen evidence of parasites being dangerous. I read about one that caused a guy to lose his eyesight after eating raw deer. - - there are tons of these.

I think that just because there is no evidence that any of the few members on this forum have been severely harmed from parasites, doesn't mean they're not dangerous.

>we place the burden of proof on anyone who claims that eating raw meat poses a greater risk of parasite infection

Pretty sure the CDC and other similar organizations have publications like that. - - -

Some can have subtle but significant affects:

This is pretty standard stuff. Which is why cooking meat is seen as "common sense" almost everywhere.

Claims like "parasites only harm unhealthy hosts" are unscientific and unfalsifiable. So they don't hold much weight.

>>I did get worms though
>What kind?

I think they were tape worms. I saw a small flat one, and a really long one. I might have ate something that caused them to exit because medical tests came up negative.

Tribe, do you eat raw? If so, what precautions do you take?

I did get worms though. After eating raw for a couple years.

>no doubt propagated initially by environmentalists

That seems pretty baseless... The article is citing a person who works in the industry.

I was just thinking about this the other day; including urinals.

I don't think urinals would need to be removed. If there are people really fighting for urinal removal then that's a separate issue.

When's the last time you used a urinal or went into a public restroom and saw another man's cock? My answer would be never.

1. Urinals aren't designed to be revealing.
2. You just don't purposefully peak over and check out someone else's cock.

So there is not really any difference if women are allowed to use the men's restroom. You'd probably get the same answer from women seeing naked women in public restrooms. I doubt people would be naked in a public area just because there aren't people of the opposite sex there.

And even if there were naked people in restrooms, I don't think the opposite sex seeing you naked is any worse. You're either comfortable being naked in public, or you're not. I'm sure there are some exceptions, but they probably have a lot to do with artificial societal norms.

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