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Messages - Kristelle

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Journals / Re: Keith's Journal
« on: September 27, 2008, 11:02:26 pm »
Tell her you're nervous...it might just help you get through it...and if she's worth the "pursuit", she'll actually be flattered and find you kind of cute for being nervous. Best of luck!

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Journals / Re: Kristelle's Journal
« on: September 27, 2008, 10:59:46 pm »
Significant improvements in the last couple of days including increased libido, less hunger, more energy and way better skin.

My gallbladder is recovering from estrogen's onslaught. That's why I had so much trouble with fat and was showing a deficit in fat-soluble vitamins since my operation. Low iron levels are also not surprising.

I'm slowly regaining my health.  :)

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Journals / Re: Kristelle's Journal
« on: September 27, 2008, 12:49:15 am »
Thanks for the input Kyle.

I've been off estrogen for a little more than a week and things are slowly improving.

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Journals / Re: Andrew's Journal
« on: September 21, 2008, 10:05:38 pm »

I also met up with a group of friends yesterday and everyone was drinking except me. Still had alot of fun, enjoyed the conversation and feeling great this morning. You don't need to drink to have a good time...trust me you...I hadn't had this much pleasure in a long time...alcohol NOT included! :)

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Journals / Re: Kristelle's Journal
« on: September 21, 2008, 02:07:28 am »
I don't have any way of measuring how much estrogen/progesterone is processed by my liver but it is a well-known fact that route of administration greatly influences this. Oral being the worst and parenteral being the best.

Unfortunetaly, symptoms returned upon restarting estrogen patches despite the very low amount of estrogen going through the liver. After this and my many experiences since hysterectomy, I can say, most definetly, that I feel best when not taking any hormones. Even a tiny amount bothers me.

I worry about the consequences of too little estrogen in my body (i.e. osteoporosis, accelerated ageing, cognitive/brain health) and often will restart hormone therapy for that reason. So, I never give my body enough time to heal from a possibly unbalanced gut/vaginal flora.

All my problems really started about 10 days after my operation. I had just stopped using antibiotics and had gotten a yeast infection. The infection was treated with over-the-counter cream and cured a few days later. During this whole time, I was taking estrogen as directed by my doctor to replace my lost hormones (ovaries removed).

The first things I noticed were a runny nose, especially during eating and dry patches of skin on my face. Next, I noticed the skin on my face would swell up in certain areas, get inflamed, itchy, and hives (which I initially thought was acne) began to appear. They were tiny pimples (with pus inside) and they were all over my face and even some on the neck, upper chest, abdomen and thighs. Mentally, I wasn't very stable either. I was anxious and had a few panic attacks. Later, I noticed joint pain (like tension in my joints), tingly sensations in body extremities, and some stiffness. I would also sweat alot for no reason. I lost about 10 pounds during this time and it seemed no matter what I ate or how much, I remained quite thin. I would barely go pee and alcohol did not do anything to me. I could drink a whole pitcher of beer and not be affected. Everything I ate or drink appeared to pass right through me. Maybe something in my gut was eating and drinking most of it...

Almost 3 years later, my situation is much improved but with still a few symptoms here and there that don't seem to stop but do improve when I completely stop estrogen. For example, when I take estrogen, I often get dizzy and experience a drunken feeling after eating any fatty substance, even the tiniest amount. Protein does nothing. If I happen to eat carbs, they also have that effect at first but if eaten continuosly for 3-4 days, I stop experiencing that feeling altogether to either carbs of fatty things. Weird, huh?
One theory is that fat destroys candida cells or possibly certain bacteria which in the process produce alcohol, ethanol giving me that feeling so often associated with excess alcohol ingestion. Later, estrogen promotes the proliferation of the very cells that have been destroyed and so the cycle continues.

I know estrogen affects gut/vaginal flora and as such, it could be possible that taking estrogen after antibiotic cessation could have kept away some of the beneficial bacteria/fungi or maintained some of unbeneficial ones such that my flora never got a chance to recuperate. If that is the case, then I only need to stay off hormones for a long enough time in order for my body to heal (3 months?). Then, I could possibly restart hormones with none of the symptoms I'm currently experiencing.     

Time will tell...

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Welcoming Committee / Re: solid foundation
« on: September 20, 2008, 12:50:19 am »
Obesity is not caused by overeating, it seems. It is mostly caused by insulin. And insulin is stimulated by carbohydrates. The reason why people are fat is because they are eating carbohydrates and the reason they are frequently hungry is because carbs increase insulin secretion which keeps fat stored for longer periods of time. Unable to access fat for fuel, people get hungry, eat more carbs and the vicious cycle continues.

Read Gary Taubes' book "Good Calories, Bad Calories".
 

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Just arrived
« on: September 20, 2008, 12:31:33 am »
Hi Luigi.  ;)

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Journals / Re: Kristelle's Journal
« on: September 19, 2008, 12:18:51 am »
I'm now on estrogen patches. I've been eating more fat lately but doing ok. And my ketones are still close to negative.

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Health / Re: Sugar craving cure?
« on: September 19, 2008, 12:10:08 am »
The less sugars you eat, the better. Eliminate salt too.

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remembering my dreams starting the first night I started to eat raw paleo.  And their calm Happy :) dreams.  I wake up peaceful too.

I experienced the exact same thing the other night...and more and more...The best feeling in the world.

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Greetings from Austin
« on: September 18, 2008, 11:57:53 pm »
Bienvenue David!  :)

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Welcoming Committee / Re: solid foundation
« on: September 18, 2008, 11:57:11 pm »
Personally, I think we ought to eat if we're hungry and if food is available. Fasting and hungry is just not right, in my book...done it and never will do it again unless I DON'T have a choice. I agree with rawrock.

I've eaten raw meats (including organs and seafood) from supermarkets, non-organic, grain-fed. Some actually tasted pretty delicious. Never had any problem. Did not see a difference (health or taste) with the time when I was eating exclusively organic grass-fed meats (bison, beef). Plus, it's cheaper.

My 2 cents...

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Journals / Re: Kristelle's Journal
« on: September 16, 2008, 11:14:20 pm »
Interestingly, I recently switched my hormones such that my hormones aren't being processed by my liver as much and improvement is even greater.

I now believe part of the problem was HOW my hormones were being handled by the body and HOW MUCH fat I was eating. It is unnatural for much of sexual hormones to go through the liver. In nature, hormones arrive into the blood first where they are distributed across the body before eventually ending up in the liver. When estrogen especially circulates through the liver, many functions are affected like clotting, renin, angiotensinogen, enzymes, proteins, lipoproteins, bile/cholesterol, etc.

My digestion is much improved as is my skin.

At the moment, I'm taking hormones vaginally. I will be seeing my doctor tomorrow. I might switch to transdermal.


 

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Journals / Re: Lex's Journal
« on: September 16, 2008, 07:42:02 am »
I agree Lex. If I end up measuring my BG levels, I will be sure to report back. ;)

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Journals / Re: Lex's Journal
« on: September 16, 2008, 12:20:20 am »
No, I don't measure my BG levels. Just ketones.

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Journals / Re: Squall's Journal
« on: September 15, 2008, 09:45:21 pm »
Liver contains glycogen.

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Hot Topics / Re: Raw vegans vs. raw paleo
« on: September 15, 2008, 09:42:26 pm »
A small correction...we are primates.

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Journals / Re: Kristelle's Journal
« on: September 15, 2008, 09:08:25 am »
I know about rabbit starvation but also realize that my body will clearly let me know when it is time to eat more fat...I will begin to crave carbs or fat...at that time, I will increase my fat. In other words, I will let my body guide me. I'm just barely beginning to actually have those cravings...I'll keep you all updated and thanks Lex for your advice and feedback. I look forward to your fat experiment.  :)


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Journals / Re: Kristelle's Journal
« on: September 15, 2008, 02:24:45 am »
Have been eating only meat for the last 6 weeks and before that, on and off, on just meat.

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Journals / Re: Kristelle's Journal
« on: September 15, 2008, 12:08:36 am »
At the moment, I'm barely eating any fat, very extra-lean veal. And I feel better everyday. The last two nights, I have been sleeping so well and just a few hours ago, had the dream of my LIFE! I was so happy, so at peace and woke up feeling incredible but also sad because it was only a dream.

I can't say I've totally recovered but the bloating is gone, the aches are gone. Ketones are trace. Weight remains the same. There are moments of intense energy, other of intense calm and peace of mind like this morning. I've only had one or two hives in the last week or so. Skin is softer but still dry a little. Hair is healthier, it seems.

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Journals / Re: Lex's Journal
« on: September 15, 2008, 12:04:41 am »
I posted those articles because they are at odds with your and others' experiences with meat eating. Because I wanted to know if you had any explanation for why that might be...I'm confused. Maybe there is an alternative explanation for why BG increases following protein intake, maybe something else is making it go up but the simple and most obvious explanation is...protein!

I remember during my high-fat days eating high fat macadamia nuts or avocados very occasionally. I would get the exact same symptoms as I would with animal fats, especially the abdominal aches and bloating. I thought it was due to the fiber but to me, the symptoms resembled more those of eating excess fat.


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Journals / Re: Lex's Journal
« on: September 13, 2008, 01:26:33 pm »
Aren't ribeyes fattier than that?
According to http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/cgi-bin/list_nut_edit.pl,
fat is 74% of calories and that's when it's trimmed to 0' fat.

Also, the weight gain from increased fat intake strangely feels to me like water weight. Perhaps, ketosis (or too many ketones in the body) affects water distribution or retention...speculation on my part.

From http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/3/1/16

"Amino acids derived from protein are converted to glucose through gluconeogenesis. In 1915, Janney reported that 3.5 g of glucose were produced from 6.25 g of ingested meat protein [11]. Thus, theoretically and actually, for every 100 g protein ingested, 56 g of glucose can be produced. For other proteins the range of glucose produced was 50–84 g.

However, in 1924, Dr. MacLean in England gave 250 g meat, which contains ~50 g protein to a subject with type 2 diabetes whose fasting glucose concentration was ~280 mg/dl [12]. Following ingestion of the beef, the glucose concentration remained stable for the 5 hours of the study. When the subject was given 25 g glucose on a separate occasion, the amount of glucose that theoretically could have been produced from the 50 g protein in the 250 g meat, the glucose concentration increased to nearly 600 mg/dl.

With this [12] and other information [13-18], several years ago, we determined the glucose and insulin responses to 50 g of protein given in the form of lean beef to 8 normal subjects [19] and 7 subjects with type 2 diabetes [20]. When normal subjects ingested the 50 g protein, the plasma glucose concentration remained stable during the 4 hours of the study. When subjects with type 2 diabetes ingested 50 g protein, not only was the glucose stable, it actually decreased (Figure 2).


Figure 2. Glucose (left panel) and insulin (right panel) response to 50 g protein, given in the form of very lean beef to 8 normal subjects (bottom, broken lines) and 7 subjects with type 2 diabetes (top, solid lines).

In normal subjects there was a modest increase in insulin concentration. However, when subjects with type 2 diabetes ingested protein, the insulin concentration increased markedly (Figure 2).

In normal subjects, the insulin increase was only 30% of that to 50 g glucose [19], but in people with type 2 diabetes, it was equal, i.e. 100% [20]. In addition, ingestion of 50 g beef protein had very little effect on glucose production either in normal subjects [21] or in people with type 2 diabetes [22].

The studies cited above were single meal studies testing the effect of dietary protein alone. From these and other studies we concluded that in people with type 2 diabetes, dietary protein is a potent insulin secretagogue. In addition, protein does not increase blood glucose. Protein actually decreases blood glucose, even though amino acids derived from digestion of the protein can be used for gluconeogenesis. Subsequently we demonstrated that dietary protein acts synergistically with ingested glucose to increase insulin secretion and reduce the blood glucose response to the ingested glucose in people with type 2 diabetes [20,23].

In order to determine the effect of substituting protein for carbohydrate in mixed meals over an extended period of time we designed a study in which we increased the protein content of the diet from 15% in the control diet to 30% in the test diet, i.e. we doubled the protein content of the diet [24]. To accommodate the increase in protein, we decreased the carbohydrate content from 55% in the control diet to 40% in the test diet. Since 56 g of glucose could be produced from each 100 g protein ingested [11], the carbohydrate in the diet, plus the glucose produced from the additional protein, would represent a potential carbohydrate content of 48%. The fat content was 30% in both groups. Twelve people with untreated type 2 diabetes were randomized in a crossover design in which they were on each diet for 5 weeks with a washout period in between. The diets were isocaloric, the subjects were weight stable, and all food was provided.

The plasma glucose concentrations during the 24-hour period at the end of the 5 weeks on the control diet, or 5 weeks on the high protein diet, are shown in Figure 3. The blood sampling was started at 8 am. Breakfast, lunch, dinner and snack are shown on the X-axis. The differences appear modest. However, when these data are integrated over 24 hours, using the fasting glucose concentration as baseline, the integrated glucose area actually was reduced by 38% on the high protein diet (Figure 4).


Figure 3. Plasma glucose response in 12 subjects with type 2 diabetes. The response to the control diet (15% protein) is shown in the top, dotted red line. The response to the test diet (30% protein) is shown in the bottom, solid black line).

Figure 4. Net 24-hour integrated glucose (left) and insulin area responses (right) to ingestion of a 15% protein (red bar) or 30% protein (black bar) diet in 12 subjects with type 2 diabetes.

In spite of the lower integrated glucose area, the integrated insulin area response was increased by 18% when compared to the control (15% protein) diet results.

Most importantly, with the 30% protein diet, the % total glycohemoglobin (%tGHb) decreased from 8.1 to 7.3 (? = 0.8) (Figure 5). It decreased from 8.0 to 7.7% during the control (15% protein) diet (? = 0.3). The difference was statistically significant by week 2.


Figure 5. % total glycohemoglobin response to a 15% protein diet, (top, broken red line) and a 30% protein diet (bottom, solid black line) in 12 people with type 2 diabetes.

In summary, increasing dietary protein from 15% to 30% of total food energy at the expense of carbohydrate resulted in an increased integrated insulin concentration, a decreased 24 hour integrated glucose concentration, and a decreased %tGHb.

These data were presented in 2004 at the Kingsbrook Conference on Nutritional and Metabolic Aspects of Low Carbohydrate Diets [25], and an adaptation of that presentation was later published [26]."

From http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1743-7075-1-6.pdf

"This lack of increase in blood glucose concentration following
the ingestion of protein was confirmed by Conn
and Newburgh in 1936 [3]. These investigators fed a relatively
enormous amount of beef, i.e. 1.3 pounds of beef,
which is the equivalent of ~136 g of protein and which
should yield 68 g of glucose, to a normal subject with a
fasting blood glucose of 65 mg/dl and to a subject with
diabetes whose fasting blood glucose concentration was
150 mg/dl. In neither case was there an increase in blood
glucose concentration over the 8 hours of this study. However,
when the same subjects were given 68 g of glucose,
there clearly was an increase in glucose concentration in
both cases.
That ingested protein did not raise the blood glucose was
largely ignored, in spite of this evidence in the scientific
literature. Indeed, in his textbook in 1945 [4], Dr. Joslin,
one of the most influential diabetologists at that time, was
still counseling dietitians and patients to consider 56% of
dietary protein as if it were carbohydrate."

From http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/86/3/1040

"As expected, when the subjects ingested only water (fasting controls) there was a gradual decrease in serum glucose concentration over the 8 h of the study (33). When the subjects ingested 50 g beef protein there was a small initial and transient increase in glucose, but by 2.5 h the glucose concentration had decreased and continued to decrease until the end of the study. Over the last 5.5 h, the concentration was slightly less than when only water was ingested (Fig. 1)."

"As indicated previously, it has been reported several times that protein ingestion does not raise the circulating glucose concentration or raises it only modestly (3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10). The reason for this has been unclear.

In 1971, it was suggested that protein ingestion did not raise the circulating glucose concentration because an increased production and release of glucose from the liver was balanced by an increased uptake and utilization of glucose by peripheral tissues (34). The mechanism proposed was that an increased circulating glucagon concentration, resulting from the ingestion of protein, would stimulate glucose production from amino acids in the liver. The increased insulin concentration resulting from the ingestion of protein then would stimulate peripheral tissues, primarily skeletal muscle, to remove the glucose produced and to store it as glycogen (34). The latter is a well known effect of high concentrations of insulin. However, using direct hepatic vein catheterization techniques, a significant increase in glucose production in the splanchnic bed after protein ingestion could not be demonstrated either in dogs (35) or in humans (36). "



 

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Journals / Re: Lex's Journal
« on: September 13, 2008, 09:42:48 am »
Lex,

Have you ever eaten just muscle meat (no organs) that you are sure was "untouched" (no spices, no additives, no sugar, no sauce), like at a restaurant and seen a rise in blood glucose thereafter? Because I know that in your mix, you have organ meats, a source of glucose (glycogen). 

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Why can't Tyler do zero carb?
« on: September 13, 2008, 09:14:00 am »
I had those heart palpitations too...definetly ketosis. Perhaps too much fat or glycogen from organ meats. I was also so worried about rabbit starvation that I overdid the fats...not an uncommon occurrence among zero-carbers.




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Journals / Re: Kristelle's Journal
« on: September 13, 2008, 05:12:46 am »
I am feeling amazing today!!! YAY! Finally. Zero-carb CAN work and DOES work!

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