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General Discussion / Re: sick as a dog...
« on: October 16, 2008, 09:18:51 pm »
What symptoms have you been having?

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: How many carbs do you need?
« on: October 10, 2008, 09:43:51 pm »
I respect that Luigi. To each their own and in the end, what works best for you is what counts. If you feel good, then that's all that matters. :)

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Journals / Re: Squall's Journal
« on: October 10, 2008, 03:51:35 am »
The lower flank pain and breathing difficulty sound much like the symptoms I had after eating fat. By lower flank pain, do you really mean to say right upper abdominal pain, just under ribcage? If so, then this is likely your gallbladder trying to flush out bile to digest the fat and unable to, perhaps due to some gallstones or some inflammation caused by a previous low-fat diet. It takes time to adapt to digesting fat so perhaps gradually increase fat content or have more frequent meals until the problems subside.

I doubt it has anything to do with the quality of the fat but more to do with your ability at the moment to process fat. Be patient, it'll get better. ;)

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: How many carbs do you need?
« on: October 09, 2008, 09:50:06 pm »
Luigi,

You have not read fully his essays; otherwise, you would not say most the things you say. He doesn't believe insulin is the devil, just excess. He talks about keto-adaptation, not the same thing as ketosis which he condems. Also, he never EVER says that olives/olive oil are healthy and is consistent in his statements.
He also mentions that some tissues NEED glucose and that this is provided in normal circumstances by the conversion of glycerol.


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Journals / Re: Sully's Journal
« on: October 09, 2008, 06:40:06 am »
Although after I consumed my one meal at night the last past days I get pretty tired like.

I also get tired after fatty meals since zero-carbing. Interestingly, since dropping estrogen, my health has improved and the fatigue factor is improving. I suspect it has something to do with our body's difficulty digesting fat, from not being used to it or something wrong with the liver/gallbladder or pancreas or even small intestines.

I didn't poop as usually this morning, perhaps I am constipated from the fat. I'm sure my body will adapt to that soon though.

Yes, I think so, if you are healthy. After dropping the estrogen, I no longer get constipated.

It's funny though, I'm satisfied with only about 2 pounds of meat a day, even less sometimes.

Yes, I don't eat much also. That is totally normal. Same with Lex.

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Raw sterilized?
« on: October 09, 2008, 06:31:56 am »
I've eaten all sorts of raw meats (organs too), supermarket included, for more than a year. No problems to speak of. 

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: How many carbs do you need?
« on: October 09, 2008, 06:28:39 am »
Do not judge a book by its cover but by its content. While I agree that The Bear is aggressive and rude, his knowledge seems to almost always be right on the money.

I think part of him really wants to help others but another part is tired of repeating the same things over and over. He has perhaps been attacked very often in the past due to his diet and is the way he is because of that. It is very frustrating to know something for certain and constantly be questioned, doubted, not being able to help others in the process.

Being the devil's advocate...but personally, I've learned alot from him and I'm happy he is alive to share with others his experience and knowledge.


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General Discussion / Re: Salt is a chemical
« on: October 09, 2008, 06:21:16 am »
And the Bear includes some dairy in his diet so makes sense that he would need to supplement with magnesium occasionally. I never have any cramps, do not supplement and I'm zero-carbing. I exercise 2-3 x weekly.

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Braaaaains
« on: October 08, 2008, 12:11:45 am »
Hard to find brain in my area but a middle-eastern supermarket sells lamb brain and I can find veal brain in another one.

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Welcoming Committee / Re: me iceman
« on: October 07, 2008, 11:55:32 pm »
Welcome to the forum Iceman...nice to have you here and enjoyed what you had to write...so true! so sad!

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Journals / Re: Keith's Journal
« on: October 05, 2008, 06:31:35 am »
In my case, I was constipated due to fat malabsorption.

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Journals / Re: Kristelle's Journal
« on: October 03, 2008, 08:15:04 am »
Digestion requires energy that it can get from either glucose or fat. If fatty acids are lacking, then sugar will provide the energy. In this case, I meant to say that glycerol would convert to glucose.

Fat in the diet is important so as to allow the gallbladder to free itself of bile occasionally and not get too saturated, eventually leading up to problems such as gallstones.

I get body odor and bad breath. But this is likely from fat malabsorption and/or excess ketones in body not being used by cells. I have no problems digesting protein. When I eat lean protein, I am fine.

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Journals / Re: Kristelle's Journal
« on: October 03, 2008, 02:43:08 am »
Definetly, my gallbladder was the problem all along. I have been steadily improving since about 2 weeks, in other words, since dropping estrogen. I'm digesting fat better.

I was thinking that maybe blood sugar fluctuations occur (and keto-adaptation never occurs) in individuals who have trouble digesting fat due to pancreas insufficiency or gallbladder problems. Fat is usually a source of energy needed to digest protein and when it cannot be properly digested and used as such, glucose is the substitute and is provided by glycerol. That's why blood sugar rises when protein content increases and why BS is less when protein is reduced.

A sign of fat malabsorption is that upon increasing fat, you get tired, get bloated, gain weight, have abdominal cramps, get dehydrated, etc. In other words, you don't feel good. Things are only worst and ketones show up suddenly.

I hope Lex is reading this...

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: How many carbs do you need?
« on: October 03, 2008, 02:30:45 am »
Likewise, I could ask you, Luigi, has anyone of these elite performers ever tried to zero-carb for more than 8 weeks (allow for keto-adaptation)? Probably not. Perhaps the Bear can enlighten you and then you can share with us what he has to say. Deal?

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: How many carbs do you need?
« on: October 02, 2008, 10:13:18 pm »
Luigi,

I really suggest you talk directly with him...he's a really interesting guy. He has much more experience than I do and is much more active than I am.

Re: glycogen, the Bear states:
"The glycogen is only there as storage for quick adjustment of blood sugar levels"

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: How many carbs do you need?
« on: October 02, 2008, 05:01:20 am »
Some would argue to muscle never uses glucose and only fat, whether under or above aerobic threshold.

From The Bear who's lived at least 50 years on zero-carb:

"Two studies relate to energy source and exercise, both were done with lab rats. One shows by muscle biopsy/analysis that the glycogen in muscle tissue does not vary with exercise, whether anaerobic or anaerobic. The other shows massive gains in endurance over a sufficiently long period of adaptation to a zero carb diet. This study is one of the very few to use a true zero carb diet against a normal rat-chow control in a test."

"Rapid intense effort (anaerobic) uses ATP, which degrades with muscular contraction into ADP. ADP is reconverted into ATP by a mechanism fueled by fatty acids complexed with n-acetyl carnitine. No carbohydrate is involved. Aerobic activity is fueled the same way."

"I am carb free, I exercise anaerobically by lifting weights. I NEVER get sore muscles the next day- or the day after unless I am forcing a severe weight overload, which causes more severe micro damage to the muscles, and some second-day soreness. So there's the 'practical' proof that glycogen does not deplete with exercise."

"You can train for endurance (aerobic) or strength (anaerobic) Each uses a different modification of the basic muscle fibre. Each person has a mix of type 1 and type 2, or fast twitch, slow twitch. If you train as a marathoner, you suppress one and enhance the other- if you train as a sprinter, the reverse happens. It is an either/or situation. You cannot be at the same time both a marathoner and a sprinter- there is no free lunch. ALL muscle fibres use the same fuel, fast and slow both burn only fat. NO muscle fibre uses carbs. (Once more) glycogen is not used to do work, only ATP-ADP reduction is used, that is rebuilt by fat. Glycogen does not produce ATP. Glycogen is not depleted with exercise- this is proven and is in the literature. Opinions to the contrary are just repeating fairy tales from the past. Carb intake reduces strength/speed, and likewise reduces endurance/distance."

"Muscle cells 'run' on ATP-ADP conversion. ADP-ATP re-conversion is done with FFA's. It makes no difference whether the exercise is anaerobic or aerobic, the muscles still work the same way. This is like a car- whether in first gear or in overdrive, it still uses the same fuel. Glucose is not a fuel. Glycogen is not a fuel. Neither can be used to translate ADP back into ATP until converted into FFA first. Mitochondria mediate ADP to ATP conversion which is why there are two 'types' (fast and slow twitch) of muscle cells, fibre bundles with more mitochondria have a different response to the two types of work, aerobic and anaerobic. The mix of types in a given muscle can be altered to some extent by training."

"I am a very active type and back when I was dancing, trust me, any problems with either aerobic or anaerobic exorcise from zero carbs would have been obvious and serious. In fact, I had more energy, more endurance and better control of my body (at my level of skill) than anyone else in the classes I took. I ride a bike hard up the hills and down, and lift weights..."

"Muscle glycogen (or liver glycogen, or ketones) is NEVER used as a 'fuel' for muscles- either in doing aerobic OR in anaerobic work. The glycogen is only there as storage for quick adjustment of blood sugar levels, and in a zero-carb, keto-adapted diet usually does not vary. Please note, carefully: Muscle contraction (i.e.-the standard skeletal 'motor' of the body) is 'fueled' by ATP-ADP conversion. ADP is re-converted to ATP ONLY by a process which uses FFA's. Properly controlled tests have indicated that muscle glycogen is never 'depleted' during exercise."

You can email him directly at the-bear@thebear.org   



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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: How many carbs do you need?
« on: October 01, 2008, 11:30:47 pm »
Even when above aerobic threshold (i.e. anaerobic), you can do very well on fat and protein alone. At first, you will feel sluggish but give it a few weeks and you'll see...plus, you won't get that burn in your muscles due to lactic acid.

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General Discussion / Re: Mixed Blood
« on: October 01, 2008, 02:05:20 am »
Outside changes have been minor and other than some races having adapted to lactose, there haven't been enough for some race to be well-adapted to eating a diet other than that composed mostly of meat. We can all eat veggies, fruits and even grain and survive but long-term, complications will always arise. We are omnivores because it was important to be able to subsist on other foods in those moments where meat was less abundant. But, given the choice, meat was preferred.

My 2 cents, of course...

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Journals / Re: Andrew's Journal
« on: October 01, 2008, 12:53:14 am »
Why go back to "normal" and "unhealthy"?

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: How many carbs do you need?
« on: October 01, 2008, 12:51:42 am »
I personally believe one can perform athletically well without any carbs and even perhaps better but with breaks between athletic feats like 2-3 days.

Aerobic or anaerobic, the muscles can very effectively use fat as fuel. 

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Greetings from Sarav...
« on: October 01, 2008, 12:48:08 am »
Welcome to the forum Sarav! :)

I hope things will only continue to improve for you. Best of luck.

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General Discussion / Re: Mixed Blood
« on: October 01, 2008, 12:43:19 am »
I personally believe that no matter your ancestry, ALL humans are best served by a diet composed mostly (if not exclusively) of meat and animal fat.

 

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Journals / Re: Kristelle's Journal
« on: September 29, 2008, 09:24:49 pm »
Yes, I'm eating more fat. The last 24-48 hours have been unbelievable. I can't even describe the feeling other than to say that it's like being on a high constantly without any of the side effects of drugs. Life is good!

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Journals / Re: Kristelle's Journal
« on: September 29, 2008, 05:41:53 am »
Energy levels are wayyyyyyyy up, skin is much better and I'm barely hungry. Life is good, estrogen is bad! LOL.

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Journals / Re: Andrew's Journal
« on: September 28, 2008, 11:11:04 pm »
Try to stick to zero-carb without any "cheat" days, adding no supplements at all, not even salt. Wait a few weeks. I predict your cramps will go away.


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