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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Veggies over fruits?
« on: March 13, 2011, 10:42:29 pm »
Coconut is mostly saturated fat

fun fact - 100% chocolate contains more saturated fat than lard ...

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General Discussion / Re: Dealing with low appetite
« on: March 13, 2011, 12:26:14 pm »
in my experience 3 things boost appetite:

1 - exercise ( especially swimming )
2 - marijuana
3 - steroids ( but only high quality oil based injectible ones like testosterone, low quality steroids such as orals or methylated crap is going to kill your liver and you won't be able to eat at all, and then die )

marijuana in pill form is actually prescribed by doctors to treat low appetite, and of course steroids are prescribed to people who are emaciated from aids or being bed ridden.

i'd definitely go with exercise first.  if that doesn't work - see a doctor, get your liver checked.

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Veggies over fruits?
« on: March 13, 2011, 11:59:59 am »
My father was a trained biologist that actualy studied parisites in shell fish; there are numbers of differnt ameombas and such that can live symbioticaly with other life forms without causing any harm. My father thought I was crazy for eatting raw clams and oysters, but as you will learn here, raw foods even if they contain a few ameobas are generaly without any harmfull effects. The food poisoning issues with shell fish are usualy linked to cooked foods.Every now and then someone here will get a reaction to raw shellfish, but it isn't serious and resolves after a couple of days of diarrhea. Once your digestive system becomes fully adapted to raw paleo then you can eat about anything without worry.

i'm not afraid of bacteria and general parasites like amoebas and stuff.  i am only afraid of parasites that are specifically evolved to live in flesh.  i don't want no worms eating my organs for breakfast.  i trust my immune system to sort out bacteria and crap like that.

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Hot Topics / Re: One thing non-paleo you occasionally indulge on?
« on: March 13, 2011, 02:31:57 am »
cheese, chocolate & coffee

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Veggies over fruits?
« on: March 13, 2011, 02:26:36 am »

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Veggies over fruits?
« on: March 13, 2011, 01:02:17 am »
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=pHINwjeuF9gC&pg=PA156&lpg=PA156&dq=DHA+in+ruminant+fat&source=bl&ots=_qTcTbaDfh&sig=cqNlpyarrxI32C10T25q63NydaA&hl=en&ei=uqR7TdeSA5KHhQeuma3zBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=DHA%20in%20ruminant%20fat&f=false

ok ok i get it !  fish and animals contain DHA, plants only precursor.

but tell me ( and i know dairy is not paleo, but i like cream cheese ) - which would be a better source of DHA - fatty meats ?  liver ? eggs ? or milk fat ?

since i started posting here a few days ago i have started tossing whole eggs into my smoothies where before the only fat in them was from seeds.

does an omega 3 egg contain DHA ?

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Veggies over fruits?
« on: March 13, 2011, 12:58:12 am »
On a personal note, I have tried flax oil and even ate some soaked chia seeds, and had terrible experiences with decline in health and mental function. (Chia and flax are not fit for human consumption, based on my own experience) Consider yourself warned, if you are one of the poor fools who still believe otherwise.

seeds are packed with enzyme inhibitors specifically to prevent getting digested so they can pass through your digestive system and plant themselves in the soil intact.  this is why at the very least you have to soak and blend them BUT i think it may not be enough.  i think consuming the oil extracted from them would be much better.  have you tried using oil extracted from flax or chia ?

On an other personal note, I ate about a pint of raw oysters last night and feel such foods have helped me reached a new peak of metal acuity. Its amazing how just a few servings of raw sea food a week can improve ones thinking. This is more than just my imagination, before this diet I had sever decline in mental functioning and clarity of thought, as well as a plethora of physical health issues, that kept me from even being able to be happy. Now I have found a happiness that I don't think was possible before,  which is a good sign that I am doing something right. Not only My own happiness, but I have applied what I have learned to raising my children and so far the results are amazing.

i would LOVE to add raw seafood to my diet.  do you know what is the parasite situation with oysters ?  shrimp ?

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Veggies over fruits?
« on: March 13, 2011, 12:53:46 am »
look guys, your arguments are mostly crap, but thank you for bringing up the whole DHA vs ALA issue.  i heard that fish oil is the best source of W3 before, and bought fish oil capsules for my parents to help with THEIR diet, but for myself i continued relying on blended seeds ( hemp and chia )

i didn't think conversion rate was so low.  now i will either add some fish oil to my own diet or increase my seed-based W3 intake by going for that pure chia oil after all, rather than blending seeds.  

if ALA is just a precursor, it makes me less afraid of overdosing on it.

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Veggies over fruits?
« on: March 12, 2011, 01:35:37 pm »
 Wrong again. Carnivores tend to be more intelligent than herbivores, so clearly diet is an important factor as regards intelligence.

and doctors tend to be more intelligent than janitors - this obviously could only be because doctors eat a healthier diet !

also animals are more intelligent than plants, so this definitely proves that chlorophyll causes brain damage !

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How did you store them? Most chicken is probably lower quality and not good for fermenting.

it came in a plastic box that wasn't sealed, just closed.  i picked it up at the whole foods in manhattan.  i just put it in the fridge.

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Veggies over fruits?
« on: March 12, 2011, 12:30:26 pm »
what you all fail to realize is human brain takes more than a decade to grow to full size.  most other animals have their brains develop in a little more than a year.  if any other animal on whatever diet it had continued to grow its brain for 10+ years well it would be like a martian.  simply put diet is NOT a factor in brain size at all.

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Veggies over fruits?
« on: March 12, 2011, 07:51:10 am »
in other words humans are top of the food chain because we are the smartest - not the other way around.

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Veggies over fruits?
« on: March 12, 2011, 07:48:06 am »
the biggest rise in apeman brain-size in the Palaeolithic era occurred in tandem with a massive increase in meat-consumption by apemen.

i am not denying that the two are related.

i am also not denying that CO2 and global temperature is related.  unfortunately for Al Gore global temperature rise is the cause and CO2 increase is the effect.

in case of brain size and hunting lifestyle - the two apparently drove each other.  bigger brain made man able to hunt ( using weapons ) while a hunting lifestyle in turn put evolutionary pressure on man to grow an even bigger brain.

macronutrient breakdown of diet at best had a secondary role here. 

our brains became most powerful not because of what we ate but because of how we used to get that food - namely using weapons.  wolves, tigers and lions are relatively dumb despite being carnivores - because they don't need to make any special tools to hunt.

it is because humans have:

1 - an opposing thumb
2 - can't run very fast, and don't have huge claws

that the only way for us to hunt was by using brains. 

go back to the timeline - the cause must precede the effect.  how could we have started hunting BEFORE inventing weapons ?  and how could we have invented weapons if we needed meat to grow a brain that could invent them ?

your theory is bogus :)

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Veggies over fruits?
« on: March 12, 2011, 07:12:03 am »
  Err, ahem, primates have opposable thumbs like gorillas. That happened well before hominid brains got bigger.

so check this timeline for me:

1 - opposable thumb
2 - primates become most intelligent animals
3 - humans start to eat meat

wouldn't you say cause has to precede the effect ?

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Veggies over fruits?
« on: March 12, 2011, 06:55:19 am »
You're not being too bright.  The fact is that those studies showed that brain-size decreased by 8 percent once we switched from the Palaeolithic era to the Neolithic era. The only major change around that time was a major reduction of animal food in the human diet and a corresponding consumption of grains, dairy and legumes. Given that the Eskimoes have the largest brain-sizes and were until recently eating all-animal food diets(well, 96 to 99 percent at least), that supports the notion that it was the eating of meat that made human brains bigger and that a reduction in meat-consumption led to a smaller brain-size.

has it ever occurred to you that hunting requires greater intelligence than collecting welfare checks ?  you can feed a retard on welfare anything you want and his IQ is still going to be zero.

our brains are withering away because we don't need them any more.  eskimos need big brains because they live in an adverse environment.  

humans are on a fast course to becoming dumber than sh1t, and you aren't going to be able to stop this with any dietary guidelines.  you will have to get rid of welfare, unions, minimum wage laws and warning labels.

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Veggies over fruits?
« on: March 12, 2011, 06:52:11 am »
Eating more meat didn't make Homo brains bigger, it allowed Homo brains to become bigger.

in your dreams ...

what about the opposing thumb ?  was that also due to high dietary fat intake ?

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Veggies over fruits?
« on: March 12, 2011, 06:47:30 am »
I think there is more to it than more meat means bigger brain, I mean lions don't have huge brains.  But I also think there is some truth to it, I just haven't unravelled it yet.  I think TD is correct though that it takes generations for degeneration to set it.  Omega-3s, for instance, are concentrated in sperm and mother's milk.  But each generation that consumes an omega-3 deficient diet leaves less for the next generation.

wake up and smell the coffee - half an ounce of chia seed oil contains as much omega 3 as the entire human brain.

http://www.amazon.com/Virgin-Chia-12oz-Glass-Bottle/dp/B004PWMQKG/ref=sr_1_1?s=miscellaneous&ie=UTF8&qid=1299883679&sr=1-1

that's actually why i don't use chia oil - it has TOO MUCH omega 3.  i just blend chia seeds in my Vitamix - they also add thickness to my smoothie.

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Veggies over fruits?
« on: March 12, 2011, 06:32:28 am »
It's already proven by studies that the human brain decreased in size by 8 percent since the Neolithic due to a reduction in animal food consumption.

you seem to live in the fantasy world.  the studies could have proven that the brain decreased 8% but the cause of this is pure speculation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain-to-body_mass_ratio

mice are herbivores, and have the same size brain as humans relative to their body mass.

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Veggies over fruits?
« on: March 12, 2011, 12:53:11 am »
the argument goes that by eating more meat/fish our brains were able to evolve to their present large size.  I am not saying this like it is gospel, don't misinterpret me, I am just wondering if anyone else has heard this and maybe someone could point me to the source.

i don't buy the argument.  if it were true then all vegetarians would be retards, but i am not aware of any such statistical correlation.

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: What about blending for smoothies?
« on: March 11, 2011, 11:39:51 pm »
I thought that digestion began in the mouth, which means that chewing leads to better digestion due to the action of mastication (increased surface area of the food) as well as chemical breakdown from the food being bathed in saliva.

correct.  back in USSR we learned this in school at the age of 10 or so.

Blending food means that a machine is doing the mastication part and the food can be consumed quickly, so there is less saliva mingling with the food.  Of course, you could hold the blended food in your mouth and let the saliva flow for several seconds before swallowing, to allow the chemicals to go to work on the pre-masticated food.  What are your thoughts on this?

if you can do half as good a job chewing as Vitamix does blending then chewing is better.  the Vitamix LIQUEFIES leafy greens.  

it is recommended that you chew every bit of food 40 times or 40 seconds, and this is for normal regular food - not something like wheat grass, which is an order of magnitude more difficult to chew.  it would take you an hour to chew one smoothie worth of wheatgrass and spinach halfway as well as a Vitamix will blend it in 30 seconds.  Now if you have nothing ELSE to do with your life, this may be a good idea.  And even that only if you only plan to live to age 30 or so, as paleos did, otherwise you will have to consider what happens after you wear your teeth down completely.

as far as saliva goes, what i think you can do is have some salivating food ( chewed normally ) along with the blended greens.  if you go to McDonalds you don't drink a pepsi by itself - you have it with your burger and fries.  so why can't you have your smoothie with something else that will release your saliva for you ?  i don't personally do this because i have no problem digesting a smoothie as it is, but if you do there is the solution for you.  not sure how that would work for a mono eater but that's something you have inflicted upon yourself - i am not responsible for that.

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: What about blending for smoothies?
« on: March 11, 2011, 11:16:59 pm »
May I ask for the source of your estimate of 100 grams of fiber a day for historic paleolithic humans?

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=paleolithic+100+gram+fiber

Whole fruits and veggies have the correct amount of fiber for their digestion

are you trying to imply that fruits, vegetables and leafy greens have the same ratio of sugar to fiber ?  for 100 grams of product apples have 10/2 grams of sugar/fiber while spinach leaf has 0/2 grams of sugar/fiber.  

you only have to worry about fiber if you are eating processed foods.

so if you're getting one tenth of the fiber that your ancestors did it's not a problem because ... why ?  where is the logic ?

But on the whole fiber is unimportant when eating paleo.

why ?  what's so special about paleo that fiber is important to everybody else but not you ?

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Veggies over fruits?
« on: March 11, 2011, 01:54:56 pm »
Okay, meat has a lot of protein in it.  What was your point?

my point is you are not a herbivore unless you get close to 100% of your protein from plants.  it doesn't matter how much useless filling you consume - what matters is where do you get your actual nutrition from.

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: What about blending for smoothies?
« on: March 11, 2011, 01:50:59 pm »
You are accusing me of saying something I never said (re "knowing").

yes you did:

I am being Socratic to show how absurd the whole smoothie/juicing thing is."

you suggested that smoothie/juicing is absurd.  making a statement implies that you know what you're talking about. 

you didn't answer any of the questions I posed.

what questions ?  didn't you say that you were simply trolling ?

If you think smoothies have merit, then maybe you can convince me with reason/logic/evidence.

sure thing.  paleos were estimated to consume about 100 grams of fiber a day - how much fiber do YOU consume ?  a single smoothie i make contains 25 grams of fiber.

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: What about blending for smoothies?
« on: March 11, 2011, 08:20:57 am »
Like I said, I was just poking fun, not trying to insult or offend anyone.  If I did I apologize.

whether blending is beneficial or not is a complex question.  questions like that take decades to even start getting closer to the answer.  when you claim that you "know" the answer you put yourself into the same category as fundamentalist christians and their kind who "know" that Jesus is Lord etc.  

there are basically two kinds of people - those who THINK and those who "know", and you can't have it both ways.  before you can start thinking you must accept that you do NOT know.  and if you already know everything then why are you on a forum?

i personally think that green smoothies are beneficial.  for one thing they make me feel good.  check out this nutrition facts label from Enerfood green powder:

http://www.enerhealthbotanicals.com/v/vspfiles/assets/images/nut-ener.jpg

calorie for calorie it has an order of magnitude more vitamins and minerals than most food.  now YOU can chew wheat grass all day if you want, and i will simply toss a few spoons into my smoothie.

anyway i have to run out ...

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: What about blending for smoothies?
« on: March 10, 2011, 11:44:32 pm »
Smoothies with berries and raw eggs are a good breakfast / pre workout shake nothing special about it just taste and nutrients unless you are on a 1 meal a day diet or something.

+ they digest super fast  :)

yeah smoothies are light on your digestive system and heavy on nutrition.  i can pack a smoothie with 60 - 70 grams of protein and not feel slowed down by it a single bit.

in my opinion the key though ( if you don't want it to rob you of energy ) is to keep both the sugar and fat to a reasonalbe amount.  

too much sugar causes a shock to your body with the effect of this narcotic feeling like you had about half a shot of vodka.  
too much fat would probably rob you of some of the energy that you normally get from a good green smoothie, but it probably wouldn't be too bad.  nothing like the horrible feeling after eating roasted solid food or even the drain you feel after eating lightly cooked ( simmered ) solid food.

this would be a sample smoothie for me ( in fact i just might have one after this post ):

* one whole orange, with outer portion of the skin peeled
* one whole raw egg
* 100 grams organic spinach
* 30 grams nutiva hemp protein
* 20 grams green superfood ( combination of "vitamineral green" and "pure synergy" )
* 50 grams animal protein powder ( combination of whey isolate, micellar casein and egg protein - all unflavored )
* one spoon bee pollen
* one gram ascorbic acid crystals ( Vitamin C )

links:

https://store.nutiva.com/hemp-protein/

http://www.healthforce.com/shop?page=shop.product_details&flypage=garden_flypage.tpl&product_id=6&category_id=1

http://www.thesynergycompany.com/ps_about.html

http://www.amazon.com/Syntrax-Nectar-Medical-Unflavored-1-Pound/dp/B001I1NSUY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=hpc&qid=1299771648&sr=8-1

http://www.amazon.com/Muscle-Feast-MC5-Hardcore-Micellar/dp/B002PYLOX6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=hpc&qid=1299771685&sr=1-1

http://www.amazon.com/Eggwhite-Protein-100%25-Pure-Unflavored/dp/B000RLKX3G/ref=sr_1_14?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1299771698&sr=1-14

http://www.amazon.com/Y-S-Organic-Bee-Farms-Granules/dp/B00014I80Y/ref=sr_1_5?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1299771811&sr=1-5

http://www.amazon.com/Ascorbic-Acid-Powder-Vitamin-Crystals/dp/B0002BB5V0/ref=sr_1_1?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1299771832&sr=1-1

i add water only as necessary to make it blend, i may or may not use water on any given day.  if it comes out too warm from the blending i may blend two or three ice cubes in.  i use water from a reverse osmosis system.

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