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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: eggs
« on: April 14, 2011, 02:16:18 am »
hmm, weird. The miracle whey page doesn't say it's pasteurized though.

but does it say it is NOT pasteurized ?

i'll be honest the price here is the main reason why i won't use it.  i was previously using industry-leading non-organic whey protein ( Syntrax ) which was about $18 / lb.  then i upgraded to organic whey ( also microfiltered, like Syntrax ) which is about $23 / lb.  in my view extra $5/lb is worth it for certified organic here.  but extra $20/lb for grass fed ?  obviously depends on your income - since i don't work right now i will have to skip that.

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: The BEST work-out!!!
« on: April 14, 2011, 01:50:41 am »
Try doing 8 exexises to complete muscular failure in 20min and you  know what I mean. This kind of workout stimulates all 3 kinds of condition: muscular strengt, cardiovascular condition, metabolic condition. No amound of work can substitute intensity.

i think your workout is crap :)

no amount of intensity can substitute for volume.

is it a coincidence that both Lance Armstrong and Michael Phelps exercise 5 hours a day ?

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Today's workout?
« on: April 14, 2011, 01:49:59 am »
Try doing 8 exexises to complete muscular failure in 20min and you  know what I mean. This kind of workout stimulates all 3 kinds of condition: muscular strengt, cardiovascular condition, metabolic condition. No amound of work can substitute intensity.

wrong thread.  the correct thread is here:

http://www.rawpaleoforum.com/exercisebodybuilding/the-best-work-out!!!/msg68561/#msg68561



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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Today's workout?
« on: April 13, 2011, 11:33:10 pm »
Geez...everybody's a critic.

Goals? I like to move, I like to work out, I like to sweat. I like to be physically available for whatever life has to offer, and thus far these sorts of workouts have served me well. Very well.

Not intense? You talking about that particular work-out above or all the workouts I've posted? To each his own, but I like doing 50-100 pull-ups & 200-1000 sit-ups & tabata stair sprints as well as biking & swimming across the lake. Intensity? Well, I suppose it depends on how you're using the term "intense".

i'm actually with you here Skinny.  the traditional train one muscle group a day and kill it up mentality i think is whack.  i am more inclined towards having two full-body workouts a day at a leisurely intensity.  i used to work out so hard in the gym people were waiting for me to break my back or something but that was foolish - that's not a way to build a foundation of health and fitness.

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Today's workout?
« on: April 13, 2011, 11:24:29 pm »
Tues: went swimming, 1.5 hours in the pool.

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: eggs
« on: April 13, 2011, 11:18:42 pm »
Has anyone had adverse reactions to raw eggs?

I have been consuming raw duck eggs (mainly just yolks) and lately i have been very VERY itchy mainly on my torso but also arms and legs.  Now i have red pinhole size dots on my torso ???

And i am breaking out, which i never do! 
So weird, all i can think of is the eggs?

I've also read that raw eggs can cause one to detox, is that true? 

thanks  :)

if u think its eggs why not stop and see if it goes away ?

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: eggs
« on: April 13, 2011, 11:13:07 pm »
http://proteinpowder.mercola.com/

both of the whey proteins are made from raw milk, which would be a big step up from organic pasteurized.

here is a quote from his page:

Quote
Pro-Optimal Whey™ uses Proserum® Whey Protein. Proserum® is a customized non-denatured, whey protein powder. It undergoes a unique pasteurization process to keep the full range of all the fragile immune balancing and restoring components of fresh raw milk.

so its just as processed and just as pasteurized as mine.  only mine is certified organic and this one isn't and this one costs much more.  grass fed is nice but there is so much BS on that page that frankly it made me lose interest.

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Hot Topics / Re: where to get high dose iodine ?
« on: April 13, 2011, 11:43:19 am »
well the radiation emergency iodine dose is one thousand times higher than normal suggested daily intake.  i don't think it matters what form of iodine you use just for your normal diet but when sh*t hits the fan with some nuclear reactor etc you will want potassium iodide.

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the problem KD with trying to squeeze all your protein post workout is that muscle recovery begins roughly 3 hours after workout and lasts for weeks.

i like to focus my protein and carb intake post workout simply because that's when insulin sensitivity is likely to be shifted towards the muscle so the muscle will absorb the food like a sponge before it can get stored as fat.

but the muscle will continue to need protein around the clock for weeks for the recovery to complete.  so i use protein all the time, i just use MORE of it post workout.

Ronnie Coleman didn't use any post workout shakes but he had 7 meals a day or so each consisting of basically a truck load of chicken with something starchy like grits.  in other words he was growing around the clock rather than just post workout.

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: The BEST work-out!!!
« on: April 13, 2011, 11:24:35 am »
Is there some reason you need to concern yourself with these more than other people?

What is it you refer to when you say you know you are wrong?

when i say i know i'm wrong i mean i know humans aren't supposed to eat whey protein.

medical conditions ?  i like to think that i don't have any although i do have borderline high blood pressure, some heart hypertrophy, possibly elevated kidney and liver values.  my pinky fingers get numb when i sleep - probably an issue of blood circulation.

also i get dizzy sometimes when i have a lot of caffeine and/or listen to very deep and loud bass on my stereo ( i have a 200 pound, 2400 watt 18" subwoofer ) so this may be physical damage to the vestibular apparatus from too much bass, or may also be an issue of blood pressure or both.  

but i don't have any conditions that my doctor would consider in need of treatment or even monitoring.  my blood sugar and cholesterol are normal.  although my cholesterol was off the charts bad when i was taking steroids.  all in all i did plenty of damage with steroids - most of these conditions are described are linked in one way or the other to that period of my life - but i don't do them any more.

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: The BEST work-out!!!
« on: April 12, 2011, 10:52:06 pm »
Why is it you - as opposed to others - need to worry so much about parasite in particular (as opposed to the other oppositions to eating raw meats)?

because i don't know the other ones ?  fill me in !

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Today's workout?
« on: April 12, 2011, 10:50:20 pm »
Monday: weather was great around noon.  biked 20 miles without a shirt.  got very slightly sunburnt.

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no lol I have 2 workouts a day I need carbs fuck sgoushonka

to be honest i find it hard to think of any good raw source of starch ( glucose polymers ) other than bananas.  if anybody has any ideas i would be interested too.

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Hot Topics / Re: where to get high dose iodine ?
« on: April 12, 2011, 10:36:19 pm »
I tried lugol's solution last week. Seemed good, but I got tired on the last day. I'm going to try another cycle this week.

i think free form iodine in Lugol's solution is somewhat toxic versus potassium iodide in tablets ?

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Hot Topics / Re: What's your idea of a perfect society?
« on: April 12, 2011, 10:33:57 pm »
oh well here is my article on a perfect society:

http://www.diy-av.net/?p=36

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: eggs
« on: April 12, 2011, 08:50:42 am »
mercola has raw, grass-fed, high quality protein powder that tastes amazing, it's pretty expensive though

what kind of protein, whey ?  

my main protein now:

http://www.amazon.com/Whey-Protein-Certified-Organic-Unflavored/dp/B004AC06FS/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1302569504&sr=8-3


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Off Topic / Re: On Voting...
« on: April 12, 2011, 08:49:40 am »
I hate drugs and how the majority of doctors seem to only treat symptoms with drugs, but it's the medical system that you should hate and try to change, you shouldn't hate the fact that they're trying to give access to healthcare for everyone.

except that the only reason they want to give you access to it is so they can push more drugs on you.

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Hot Topics / Re: where to get high dose iodine ?
« on: April 12, 2011, 06:05:16 am »
to my own surprise today i finally received my order of IOSAT pills.

YAY !

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now wtf is wrong with soaked oats?

why would anybody want to eat oats ?

honey and milk? in raw form those are miracle foods man...

you seem to be stuck in the traditional Russian diet way of thinking.  you probably also eat 3 meals a day starting with soup.  you're like my parents.  all my father eats is oats, honey and "sgushenka"

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: The BEST work-out!!!
« on: April 12, 2011, 12:04:25 am »
all these people (from bodybuilders to cross-fitters and yoga folks) just project their biases as to what is good, with very few of them having a complete closed argument as to what types of things can be beneficial or detrimental.

well sure.  and yet there seems to be a clear bias, the source of which is the limited capacity of the brain to think.  

it is much easier to understand what is involved in a retarded exercise like a curl than what is involved in an exercise like running.  

most people who run don't understand what they are doing - they just do it because somebody told them once its good to lose weight and when they tried it worked so they kept doing it ever since.

few people will spend hours pondering what is the most efficient way to build abs lets say and come to the conclusion that it is by sprinting or swimming butterfly ( whether that conclusion is correct or not is another question ).

so running or swimming may not be the best for everybody but there are very few people for whom bicep curls are the best who instead are engaged in running or swimming.  on the other hand there are many people for whom swimming or running would be best but they are instead engaged in curling because they are too stupid to know anything else.

its just that everybody knows you can get big biceps by doing curls and everybody knows you can lose weight by running.  but few people know that you can shape your entire physique by sprints.  most people have no idea at all that you can use sprints to train whether it is on the track or in the pool.  99% of people run and swim monotonously at a snail pace for 40 minutes and then go home.  

this is because they can't visualize how their muscle is being activated during a sprint the same way as they can visualize it when curling.  i couldn't understand it myself until i tried sprinting for the first time and immediately tore my hamstring.  i couldn't understand how after doing heavy deadlifts every week for a long time ( going to about 95% max weight on most workouts and never running into any serious injuries ) i could tear my hamstring "just" by running ?  thanks to that unfortunate incident now i understand - but 99% of people still have no clue.

ANYWAY THE SUN IS SHINING I GOTTA RUN OUT TO BIKE ...

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: The BEST work-out!!!
« on: April 11, 2011, 11:49:39 pm »
Since you seem to enjoy criticism so much, why not just outright post what you are doing in the main forums and see what other peoples perspectives are.

i know what i am doing is wrong.  i don't see the alternatives.  i know the people are going to say eat raw meat and fish and don't worry about parasites.  hehe.  well i can't not worry :)

also i'm not sure i am up to the task of sourcing quality meat and fish.  my protein i just order on amazon, it comes to me all by itself and there are no special storage considerations ( although i keep it in the fridge anyway, just because i can ).

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: The BEST work-out!!!
« on: April 11, 2011, 11:09:45 pm »
by the way the reason i like swimming so much is the cold water seems to activate some sort of thermogenesis pathways which include shivering, but i think are not limited to it.  the cold also forces you to exercise to avoid freezing - your body is simply yelling at you i need to move!  this is the opposite of what happens when jogging where you overheat and the body starts to put on the brakes on your exercise ( by inducing a feeling of weakness and exhaustion ) to avoid further overheating.  you just end up burning much more fat in the pool and i attribute it mostly to cold water.

if you were to try to get the same benefit simply from exercising outdoors in winter or climbing mount everest or something you would end up freezing your fingers and ears off before your core temperature even started dropping.  what's great about water is it wicks a tremendous amount of heat from your body while at a temperature ( 80 degrees ) that poses no threat to your extremities.  in other words the water sucks heat MUCH more evenly from your surface.

because ultimately your ability to burn calories is limited by 3 factors:

1 - your ability to pump oxygen through your lungs
2 - your ability to circulate red blood cells from the lungs to the tissue burning calories
3 - your ability to dissipate the heat produced when those calories are metabolized

biking seems to be the best at meeting these 3 criteria overall because it addresses all 3.

1 - the way your torso is supported with the hands on the handlebars allows you to breathe much more freely than when jogging because you're not using shoulder belt muscles to stabilize yourself and therefore you are not putting extra pressure on your rib cage.

2 - with proper pedaling technique ( and proper pedals / shoes ) you are using i would say half of all your body's musculature ( all of legs, plus glutes ) and its a lot easier to push blood volume through that, than through a tiny muscle like a bicep.

3 - the high wind that you effectively create as you are riding at a speed can provide sufficient cooling in almost any weather.  you can feel cool on a cycle in the same weather in which jogging would feel hot.

which is why biking is my #1 exercise and swimming my #2

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Ah, my brother is now also on an "evil carbs" warpath. Silly, really. It's refined carbs that are the real problem, in most cases, not unprocessed carbs.

you won't become diabetic by eating tree bark that's for sure.

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: The BEST work-out!!!
« on: April 11, 2011, 09:54:48 pm »

I'm not saying there is one paleo diet that is ideal, i'm saying that by definition a raw paleo diet includes flesh foods and is not a lacto-ovo diet filled with processed and dried food and heated sweeteners. Whether its high in flesh proteins or fats is individual. I do have my biases on that but that is an entirely different story.

You act as if your knowledge about which foods and routines work is based on what is working in the present, but in fact all of this stuff is built up from the past with likely far less than a single year doing what you are currently doing (in exercise OR diet) in terms of what yields results. It seems like you've lost both weight and strength in this period and are rationalizing that as to what is 'paleo'

it basically isn't even an issue of performance. Its mostly an issue of health first.

your diet = fungal mess within one year and is not conducive to long term health or ideal performance. Hardly any of these foods are even foods never-mind ones that remotely exist in nature. We know bodybuilders and strength trainers can have excellent results in the short term abusing all kinds of foods and dietary methods but this isn't the same as building health and muscle on a raw diet which has both challenges and advantages.

someone that is on a 100% or near raw diet, the body will actually start to break down old materials and slowly build them with new ones. You are not remotely involved in this process because you eat cooked and processed foods all day, so therefore when you suggest things like 90% swimming in a chlorinated pool, you don't understand that this wouldn't work for someone trying to build muscle or health eating a raw diet that doesn't have bodyfat or extra calories to spare. What you don't get about recommending carb binging on a ZC discussion, is the people probably were driven to a ZC diet based in some past abuse of fungally sugars and processed foods in the past.


interesting analysis KD, but what are these fungus you keep talking about ?  how am i eating that ?

generally very few bodybuilders make it to that age..specifically because of supplementation

you're playing with my head now lol.  the only bodybuilding supplement i use is protein.

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Today's workout?
« on: April 11, 2011, 09:40:45 pm »
saturday: don't remember i think i rode the bike for a while or maybe it rained
sunday morning: don't remember, maybe i rode the bike, maybe not

sunday evening: went to the pool, was in the water for a bit over 1.5 hours. would have stayed longer if not for two things:

1 - the pool closed for the night
2 - chlorine started to bother my eyes

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