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General Discussion / Re: Humans Natural/Optimal Habitat
« on: March 04, 2014, 06:53:14 am »
The Neanderthals did not die out. They interbred with other hominids to form modern humans(well, outside Africa, anyway). There is DNA evidence for this.

Yes, I am aware of that. However it is clear that not all Neanderthal interbred with homo Sapiens and some of them must have died out, maybe because they were less able to adapt to new environmental conditions and thus survive as opposed to Homo Sapiens.

Orientals may be able to resist cold better than caucasians, but they still have to wear clothes and sleep in fabricated shelters, right? They are not completely capable of resisting colder temperatures, and when they do stay in frigid areas they must preserve the most energy they can by not moving too much, as some monks would in a meditative position.

I really think Neanderthals used other animal's fur to protect themselves against great cold, because unlike other animals surrounding them in these northern regions they lacked this exact thing: fur.

Fur enables the animal to capture and keep a certain part of their own bodily heat. Without this concentration of  hair, internal heat quickly leaves the body and dissipate in the surrounding air. If an animal lacks bodily fur, two choices are given to him: either live in an environment already warm enough to not have to produce -much- internal heat, or try and survive in a cold environment and waste a lot of energy trying to keep its body at an acceptable temperature.

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General Discussion / Re: Humans Natural/Optimal Habitat
« on: March 04, 2014, 05:21:18 am »
In that case TylerDurden can you explain to me why animals possess fur? And why does this fur gets thicker the colder the animal's environment gets?
For example my dog is a Lapin Koira, a breed that originates from the Lapland region of Sweden. Compared to other breeds of dog native to warmer regions, it has much thicker and longer fur. Does that make my dog more resistant, better adapted to colder regions compared to shorter furred dogs? I think it does.

It is of course possible to go outside only wearing shorts or a T-shirt even when it's freezing. People that go bing drinking in my campus do it all the time. It only means that as long as they stay "active" their body will produce enough body heat to not suffer from hypothermia. Meanwhile their body is consuming a lot of energy trying to keep warm. However try and go sleep outside in Austria (I believe you live there) when it is not -a very hot- summer and you might not feel the same about this "cold adaptation". Same if your sleeping in a hole like a fox or in a cave or something of the like.

Sure it is true that Neanderthals had a larger brain than us and where more muscular. One must really wonder why they did not come out as the "evolutionary superior", compared to the tall skinny Homo Sapiens. The fact is the environment changed in the regions where they previously thrived, and Sapiens turned out to be winner of the last true "Darwin Award".
According to the book "born to run" (which I highly recommend the lecture), environment changed in EurAsia in a way that made Neanderthal style hunting less efficient than Sapiens style hunting, which was mainly persistence running. A group of homo Sapiens that would use this hunting technique would have more chance of killing a prey than a group of Neanderthals.
The Second would have to run in average another ten miles before catching up with our ancestors in a same period of time.

Also Neanderthals had a much more restricted diet than Sapiens. They mainly relied on animal flesh, whereas Homo Sapiens ate from a much broader range of food, making them more apt to survive if meat became scarce, for example. Therefor Homo Sapiens not only came out as more efficient than Neanderthal hunting-wise, but also more adaptable to its new environment "thanks" to his omnivorous diet.

Finally I want to point out that Caucasians may have more body hair than other ethnic groups, but obviously not nearly enough to claim to survive in cold areas without the use of clothing, and -heated- shelter.

(I hope all this is understandable and I apologize if I have made some grammar mistakes. I'm grateful that such a forum exist because it also helps me train my english writing skills, which have been left unpracticed for a long time before joining  :P)

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General Discussion / Re: Humans Natural/Optimal Habitat
« on: March 04, 2014, 12:30:22 am »
Okay but I think it's clear we are not totally adapted to cold(er) climates. We've got the sensible light skin all right, but where's our bodily fur? No mammals could survive without fur in such regions, unless it has naturally a lot of body fat like seals. Then there's the question: are we supposed to wear clothes or not? Is it "natural"? Should homo have stayed a bit longer in the medium-hot regions before deciding to move to the not-so-hot regions?
BTW 2 million years is a long time but not such a long time evolutionary-wise, or else us northern Europeans would look more like Star-Wars' wookies, IMO. We're not totally adapted to northern seasons too because in that case we would probably hibernate in winter like other animals of the region.

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General Discussion / Re: Humans Natural/Optimal Habitat
« on: March 03, 2014, 08:01:04 am »
The separation of our lineage in two, with on one side the homo lineage and on the other the great ape family, is due to the formation of the Great Rift Valley some 8-9 million years ago -according to a book co-published by famous palaeontologist Yves Coppens-. Pre-humans evolved on the East side of the Rift Valley, where forest started to rapidly disappear due to the drying-out of the region, being then replaced by something similar to our present day savannah; Great apes evolved on the West side, in the vast humid tropical forests of Africa.

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Instincto / Anopsology / Re: A few more instincto questions
« on: March 03, 2014, 07:18:11 am »
In the wilderness animals have no way to predict what their next meal will be, or if they'll even have one.
They can only make presumptions, like a monkey will assume that if he moves to the next part of the forest he might find wild papayes, or a vulture will count on a lion's hunting skills to get some zebra corpse for dinner. But these presumptions do not always become reality and instead our monkey could stumble upon mangoes and the vulture could be getting gazelle meat instead too.

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Instincto / Anopsology / Re: GCB:Eating meat regularly is harmful to health
« on: February 27, 2014, 10:00:30 pm »
Micelte is right. After all physical work was the only way our ancestors could get the food they needed.  I've just finished reading a very interesting book called "Born to Run" and it deals, among other subjects, with the hunting method of persistent running.  According to the book people had to actually run a marathon to get red meat on their plate!

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Instincto / Anopsology / Re: GCB:Eating meat regularly is harmful to health
« on: February 27, 2014, 02:36:29 am »
I don't really get why you say sugar is addictive, Van. Don't apes and animals of the sort feed upon sugary fruits and sweet root-plants?
As far as I know they're certainly not "addicted" to their food  :P!
According to the instincto principle you can only be addicted to processed sugary food, or to really really deeply modified sugary fruits, so deeply modified you can't even feel the instinctive "stop" anymore!
ps: ^not talking from experience, though thanks to Iguana I finally got a copy of Manger Vrai :).  Got it last week. Thanks Iguana!

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Instincto / Anopsology / Re: Instinctive nutrition and the Army
« on: February 23, 2014, 04:25:33 am »
... and further to punctuate the excellent point you are making, Copernicus is said to have been influenced by drawings and texts in Latin translations of the works of medieval Islamic astronomers, who made heliocentric orbital observations centuries earlier.

That is perfectly true. According to wikipedia the first mention of heliocentrism dates back even further: it was originally mentioned in an Indian text that was written in between the ninth and thirteenth century before Jesus-Christ! Personally I think they already had the intuition Earth turned around the Sun even in the prehistoric era, man already trying to figure out the mysteries of this giant ball of light in the sky...
Anyway I should've probably written "rediscovered heliocentrism" instead. Thanks for pointing that out Eve   :)

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Instincto / Anopsology / Re: Instinctive nutrition and the Army
« on: February 23, 2014, 01:31:48 am »
I think it doesn't matter who was the one to put the dietary instinct to light first, be it GCB or the army...

Earth didn't start rotating around the Sun when Copernicus discovered heliocentrism, as evolution did not take its first step when Darwin initially published his works on it.
It doesn't matter as long as the individuals remain enlightened and truthful in their sayings and writings.

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About this whole homosexuality discussion lets not forget that homosexual acts amongst humans have existed since the beginnings of time, and long before chemical pollution happened.
 
One very famous homosexual in France's history is no other than Louis XIV's brother, Philippe of Orleans. He was forced into marrying a woman but he had many male lovers, and could afford to be pretty open about his attraction for men even at that time, being the brother of the king.
The most famous homosexuals in history are most certainly the ancient Greeks, who for a great part only had sex with women for the sake of reproducing.
Does that mean they where inhaling car fumes or breathing in pesticides at that time  :P? I don't think so...

What has been observed in the wild is that most highly social creatures tend to demonstrate homosexual conducts with members of their clan. Lions, wolfs, turtles, dolphins, zebras, you name it. 450 different species and counting have shown to initiate sexual and erotic acts with members of the same sex.
Some homosexual couples in animals will even become parents and raise a child together. For example a wild goose in a lesbian couple will deliberately mate with a male goose and come back to her female partner with the offspring to raise with her.
Experts view differ on the possibility of a genetic origin to homosexuality.
I believe homosexual and bisexual acts possess a great role in creating and tightening social bonds with members of a clan. Bonobos randomly have sex just to calm things down when tensions between members arise  ;D.

I don't know if it's the case for every guy here but when I was little (7-9 years old) and not yet totally programmed by the social environment I grew up in, I found great pleasure in mimicking sodomic positions with my little brother (one of us did have to wear underpants because in our mind touching someone else's butt was still "uuuwww"). When I was with my cousin or my best friends I would enjoy touching their penises and letting them touch mine. And it didn't feel shameful or wrong at all. It was all very impulsive, instinctual. They where all socially the closest people I had. It felt like it was naturally the next step in loving friendship after playing around in the garden or playroom.
I think bisexuality is quite normal for us humans but is looked down upon because of the long social conditioning we have experienced individually for the past millennials or centuries. Don't get me wrong I'm not down to have sex with a male just now either :P. Also I'm not saying we should come to one extreme and become opposite-sex rejecters like some ancient Greek societies.

I'm just saying homosexual tendencies are most likely not entirely due to chemical polluting; and as one of the socially highest specie of all, it would be actually odd if bisexuality turned out to be unnatural amongst humans.

 


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Off Topic / Re: Landmark anti-GM case
« on: February 13, 2014, 10:55:23 pm »
JeuneKeg,
There was a herd of deer living about a KM from my house. I counted around 23 or so. They lived at the Government of Canada's Experimental farm where they grow GMO stuff for 'science'.

They were just wild animals hangin' out enjoying the corn and other crops.

I used to think animals avoided GMO but this kinda blows that theory.

Alright, maybe I should check my infos before posting stuff  :P I thought the studies and testimonials linked in the post I read made sens, as it was in tune with the instinctive eating concept, but there may also be other factors that have to be taken into account. For starters maybe those animals go for what is largely available and what is the least energy-consuming to get. Food in the wild is very scattered and usually come in meager proportions, whereas a plant crop..well..it's an almost unlimited food supply to the eyes of the survival-concerned animal!

Also if the GMO crops next to where you live, Raw-Al, are part of a scientific experiment, then there's a big chance they are growing two kind of the same plant, one GMd and another non-GMd, to compare the effects of the product they're testing on the plants (new pesticide, fungicide...). It's similar to the way experts test a new drug: they take a group A and give these people the new pill, and a group B to which they give a placebo, then they wait and see what happens differently, according to the expectations they had on the new pill's purpose.
It may then be possible that the herd of deer you saw only eat out of "group Bs" non-GMO crops.

Unless the group Bs happen to be GMO too. Or unless the experimental farm's sole purpose is to check if this new GM seed can grow and develop into a """healthy''''' plant, without the people in charge caring to compare the seed's evolution with a non-GMd variety of seed.
In that case... yeah... those deers are definitely munching on some man-made delight  -v

It has frequently been observed though that when an animal is given a direct choice between eating GMd or non-GMd food, non-GMd will be it's preference in a larger measure.

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Off Topic / Re: Landmark anti-GM case
« on: February 13, 2014, 12:39:59 am »
If an animal (deer for instance) lives next to a GM corn field, guess what it lives on. Bingo, an other government department. In order to classify this, you'd need another department, so that PPL who harvest deer would have to submit samples of the meat to them to determine if the deer ate "approved" paleo foods.  ;D

Just wanted to point out that animals in general, even the most genetically selected cattle, tend to naturally avoid GM foods and go for the non-GM ones instead, if they have the possibility of choosing between the two. There was a post on this forum with a link to series of testimonials and experiences showing that, for example, when a group of cows is placed in a GMO crop, they will barely -if not at all- touch the GM foods, and instead will just move along or go and eat plants in the nearest non-GMO fields.

It's then nice to know that wild animals, if they have not developed the habit of eating in trash cans for example, will be less likely (not saying guaranteed never) to have eaten GM foods in their lifetime. This works especially if the food in the animal's natural environment has never been scarce, or if the animal has never been starving.

Johan out!  ;)

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Off Topic / Re: Chimps eating leopards!
« on: February 10, 2014, 03:50:09 am »
This is the part of the documentary where they show some chimps hunting down a small ape.

http://youtu.be/RQq93Q2txrs

Alright, might not have been the same chimpanzee community shown in the documentary; but still their hunting capacity and method of killing are most likely very similar, Bili Ape or regular chimp. Since leopards are known to be tree-climbers it's possible that the congolese chimps use the same killing technique as the one used to kill apes, which is surrounding the prey's tree and, once they get a hold of the animal, taking it down to the ground and smashing it on hard surfaces till the prey's body give in.

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Off Topic / Re: Chimps eating leopards!
« on: February 09, 2014, 06:07:35 pm »
I think the reporter from dailymail exaggerates a lot when he says those chimps "feast" on leopards  l) . It's more likely that they get to hunt one down every once in a long while...if they're lucky!

However if this is the same community of Chimpanzees as the one exposed on a documentary I saw (it talked about big recluse chimps from congo), then they also happen to hunt and eat small primates  :P. I'll post a link if I find more info on this.

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Off Topic / Re: Raw Paleo Diet Forum Statistics
« on: January 30, 2014, 10:23:50 pm »
Although I do see the logic behind what you're suggesting, I'm not sure that's the reason. Other forums, such as Mark's Daily Apple, show no such declines. People always come up with new and intriguing topics, and many ignore the fact that they're duplicating something that's already there and just post anyway. I think there's a genuine reason why new posts and new topics are going down that isn't related to the presence of previous posts.

Yeah, I just thought it might be one reason amongst others. It might be a good idea to investigate other forums -such as "marksdailyapple"- to see how its done there.

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Instincto wannabe introduces himself
« on: January 30, 2014, 09:16:31 pm »
Merci pour le lien micelte :) Je pense que c'est un bon début de lecture mais perso je préfèrerai quand même avoir le livre en format papier et en version originale, comme ça je pourrais éventuellement le prêter à des interessés. En plus je trouve que je passe beaucoup trop de temps devant les écrans -mes yeux fatiguent rapidement en ce moment- donc se sera une bonne occasion de faire une petite pause et de retrouver le plaisir de lire un bon vieux livre ;)

translation:

Thanks for the link micelte. It's probably a good place to start but personally I'd rather have the paper-format book in its original version, so I can lend it to people around me who may eventually be interested in reading it. Plus IMO I spend way too much time in front of the screens -my eyes get tired quite quickly nowadays-. It'll be a nice opportunity to take some time of the screens and rediscover the pleasure of reading a good ol' book ;)

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Instincto wannabe introduces himself
« on: January 30, 2014, 04:42:51 am »
Ok, thanks for the advise!

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Off Topic / Re: Raw Paleo Diet Forum Statistics
« on: January 30, 2014, 04:37:37 am »
The decrease of new topics per day can be partly explained by the fact that a lot of different topics are already present on this forum. Now people just tend to address these (those?) already existing  threads.

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Instincto wannabe introduces himself
« on: January 30, 2014, 01:06:35 am »
Hello Iguana!

Thanks a lot for bringing up my case to GCB :) really appreciate it. I registered with a different user name however (my first name Johan) but hopefully he will check the forum for new subscribers.

I sent Dominique Guyaux an email last spring because I wanted to buy his book. He just answered me that it wasn't available anymore and that "a new book should come out in a few months". I checked his website not long ago and apparently he will release his "mémoire" for free when his new book is published, which seems to be in the near future.

I think he should change the title because the current one is rather self-contradicting!  ;)
My thought exactly  ;D

I'm going to educate myself a bit more on how to properly follow the instinctive diet before actually practicing it, while eating a healthier diet that involves changing some bad habits I have had (eating grains, dairy, alcohol, poor quality food).
Guy-Claude Burger often suggest that some people fail to have their state of health truly ameliorate on an instincto diet because reading his books is not sufficient enough to follow it correctly. He advises people to attend to instincto-eating seminars before starting on your own.
What is your position on that matter?

Is it really essential? (not that I wouldn't want to go to an instincto seminar :P. As a matter of fact I would love to meet people sharing the same interest.)

And does these kind of "seminars" still happen?

Are you walking bare foot in Belgium in January ??     l) 

Haha yes I am  ;D. It's not freezing yet here in belgium so I can still enjoy a barefoot walk. My feet start to get a bit numb from the cold after a while but the benefits are much higher than the little discomforts  ;). Take some deep breaths while walking in the fields and my mind becomes much clearer and relaxed.

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Instincto wannabe introduces himself
« on: January 26, 2014, 08:17:10 am »
Was having a little bit of headache and blurry vision, for being on the computer for so long, so I decided to go for a walk barefoot in the nearby grass field. I wandered there for a bit less than an hour. Got back home and ate some raw vegetables and the rest of my low cooked turkey while listening to music. After that I just couldn't stop dancing  ;D
It has been a very long time since I've felt that energetic.
Don't know if it was just a random rush of excitement, nevertheless grounding and well eating appears to be powerful stuff!

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Instincto wannabe introduces himself
« on: January 26, 2014, 01:08:47 am »
Hi Lena and Tyler!
Thanks for the replies :)

You are probably right that detoxing doesn't last that long. The reason why I decided to try this long transition plan is also because I don't feel ready to jump into this type of diet right now. This mental depression I have has made it difficult already to create and preserve social bonds, so I don't want to distance myself even more from other people's customs. At least not just yet.
However if there is some improvement in the near future then yeah I might just go for it!

I think the depression is partly related to my back cracking "addiction", as it has started and progressed at the same time as my back was showing signs of complication. Besides since I don't suffer from any major illnesses or physical problems I'm going to focus on healing my back and restoring its mobility. And when I feel more confident and capable my goal will be to really get into this diet and way of life. No need to be dead sick to enjoy life as you're designed to  ;)

I'm still going to try and follow at least a half raw/half cooked paleo diet at the same time, and try and find healthier people to hang out with than my usual group of sedentary, smocking, drinking, don't give a fuck 'bout my body hipster friends :p I mean I love them and all but they're not going to offer the best support.

My task right now is to find somewhere I can get some proper animal meat (grass-fed or wild game), as well as organs and fats. Will look around the nearby butchers and wholesalers. I have finished eating my first delivery of "orkos" fruits: quite expensive, but really delicious! Especially their mangoes  :D

Recently ive been trying to get outside in the sun and walk more, and also taking cold showers and it actually really helps a lot!
 

Yeah, cold showers are great! Especially when you live in a cold climate like Belgium. I find that after a cold shower I am a lot more resistant to cold, as it stimulates the body in producing more of its own heat.

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Welcoming Committee / Instincto wannabe introduces himself
« on: January 25, 2014, 07:58:08 am »
Hello everybody!


First of all I wanted to say that I'm very happy, and also grateful that such a community exists. Before I found out about this website I thought there was only about a hundred people who ate or at least considered eating raw plant and animal food. According to the thousands of members on this forum and others one could say that I was wrong :)


I'm a 19 years old male who currently lives in Belgium. The reason I'm interested in such a diet is because I have been dealing with different health issues for a long time. I've been experiencing a state of depression since I was fifteen, which has made me feel quite numb emotionally, less active and has decreased the quality of my social skills/life. My energy levels have always been quite low too, rarely feeling dynamic,except on some occasions like after exercising or sometimes at night. I also seem to have receding gum, probably due to the orthodontic treatment I've had younger (still wearing back braces  -\ ).
I also, and maybe primarily want to get into this diet because I think it is the most beneficial for us humans and don't want to pass away without having lived life at my full potential. The instincto diet makes total sense to me, as we can see examples of it occurring in nature everywhere.

Just last week I found something quite interesting in the fun fact section of a random magazine. It stated that "domestic cats, when put in front of a large variety of foods, will select the same amount of lipids, carbohydrates and protein than a wild cat would in it's environment".
Ain't that instincto  8)

I currently have been eating mainly organic, and have tried different animal foods raw, after exploring this website. Liver actually didn't taste as bad as some starters stated, probably because being a mushroom lover the consistence didn't really bother me :p
Lately I have just been following a slightly "healthier" version of a standard diet. I have eaten wild game bought at the local delhaize (belgian supermarket) during hunting season and have tried to eat more raw foods like fruits, salads, root-plants etc. I don't eat raw animal products that often because I usually eat with my flatmates or family and I guess I'm not comfortable yet or strong-willed enough to expose my "strange conducts" to everybody. I feel isolated enough already  -[. Actually a bit less since finding this website ;)

I'm also trying to follow a more relevant and paleo lifestyle: I have switched to barefoot running, I practice crossfit training, I have ditched my pillow and am planing to sleep on more ground-like surface, connected to the earth with some grounding sheets I just bought. I'm also trying to loose the habit of craking my back constantly which has caused a loss of motion capacity (something about areas of hyper and hypo-mobility being created by over stimulation of the back).


I've noticed, on this forum and on GCB's forum that some people suffer from violent and sometimes extensive periods of detoxifying when switching abruptly from standard cooked to raw paleo or instincto, forcing them to use digestive plants daily and sometimes for a long period of time.
My plan is to start of with a 50% raw diet, with one meal of raw animal and plant foods (mono-eating or mixing them wisely depending on digestibility) and another of low-temp cooked paleo foods (no grains expect maybe sprouted rice and no dairy, foods always mixed depending on their digestibility, and using less spices possible).
If for some reason I am unable to eat raw one day or more I compensate the next days with 100% raw foods, up to 3 days so I don't get an excessive detox reaction.
And eating this way for the next three to four years depending on how it feels. the last year would be a slow abandon of cooked food until I'm close to 100% raw. After that it will just be about training my instinct to spot the right foods  ;D I think this way the detoxing will not be as brutal on the body and mind and it will enable me to gently ease into the right way of eating.

I'd like to have your opinion and thoughts though, diet-wise or not.

-Also as a French speaker do you know how I could get a copy of Guy-Claude Burger's "manger vrai"? I've signed up for his forum on instinctotherapy but it doesn't look like he hangs out there that often, as it has been more than a month since I've submitted my  registration and am still not accepted as a member.

-Have you heard about Dominique Guyaux? I've thought about trying out his book about l'alimentation instinctive raisonnée (literally "reasoned instinctive diet" ) but apparently he is currently righting a better version of the book and its theory. That's what I understood from his email.

^I'm pretty sure Iguana might have the answer for these :)

Thank you all for being there! Your forum is so very instructive and enlightening! I'm glad it exists.



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