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Primal Diet / Re: Are you sure that dairy isn't paleo?
« on: March 05, 2015, 04:40:09 am »
Errr, the point is that raw human mothers' milk is palaeo but that other animals' milk is definitely not palaeo.

Ok, but if human dairy is paleo (and not just mother's milk), then it's not a huge difference to have other animals' dairy, or it might not be, and that was my point. Just like whenever you eat foods from any animal or plant species that isn't 100% wild, you are consuming food from a species that would not have been available in paleo times, but as long as it's close enough, it's fine.

How are you defining paleo? What sort of evidence are you using to place your theory into the paleolithic era?

By paleo I mean that it would've been normal for paleolithic humans and/or proto-humans. My only evidence is what I mentioned in the post above.

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Primal Diet / Re: Stone pressed olive oil versus "mechanical" pressed?
« on: March 05, 2015, 02:54:50 am »
Thanks, I'll look into it. I'll also look into where I can get actual raw fresh olives. All the olives I've ever seen were pickled in brine.

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Primal Diet / Are you sure that dairy isn't paleo?
« on: March 05, 2015, 02:19:50 am »
Humans are the only mammal species I'm aware of where females develop udders/breasts and can lactate without getting pregnant and giving birth. Archeologists explain this by the idea that in hunter-gatherer tribes, all the females shared the raising and breastfeeding of all the babies in the tribe, which I certainly agree with. Although that is a lot of milk production for only the babies of the tribe. Under normal conditions, there would be many more women than children of breastfeeding age in a tribe. A single woman's milk production is generally enough to feed her own babies, especially if she is healthy, which she would've been.

I think what was actually going on is that milk was shared among all the tribe, not just the children, but adults too. It's inefficient if you look at it calorie-wise, but it could very well be efficient if you look at it nutrient-wise. Especially if they were also fermenting the milk and making it into cheese.

If that's not the case, I don't understand why animal herders later on, would begin drinking the milk of their herd as adults, if milk was disgusting to them. It makes much more sense to me that they would've already been used to consuming dairy as adults, and realized that they could milk their animals too.

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General Discussion / Re: How are you able to substain this?
« on: March 05, 2015, 01:59:44 am »
Why does it have to be air-tight? Any container would do for the fermentation process, wouldn't it?

And, wouldn't paleo people have learned to produce wine from fruits or starchy vegetables such as wild potatoes, or even more easily, mead from honey?

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Primal Diet / Stone pressed olive oil versus "mechanical" pressed?
« on: March 04, 2015, 09:12:18 pm »
I'm looking for raw, stone pressed olive oil, but all I see are oils that claim to be cold-pressed "by mechanical means". Do you know what this is about? I saw in a lot of oils from Italy. To me, mechanical means that there are no chemicals involved, I suppose? But it doesn't say if it's a machine that can generate high temperatures somehow.

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General Discussion / Re: How are you able to substain this?
« on: March 04, 2015, 06:14:57 pm »
How is raw vinegar not paleo?

I personally hate the taste of vinegar, and much prefer lemon juice. But if you ferment fruits, honey, or even starchy vegetables, you can get alcohol, and from that you can get vinegar without anything modern added.

Also, doesn't our stomach acid denature proteins?

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Health / Re: Starting to eat raw meat, need advice on storage, etc..
« on: March 03, 2015, 04:00:15 am »
I've been raw Paleo for about 3 months and just found 3 worms in my stool, each about 8 inches long, white, and about the size of a noodle. The end of the worms branch out and latch onto stool. Should I be worried? How do you guys identify what type of worms you have? My brother says they can cause constipation by not allowing food to pass through intestines normally(I hadn't passed a stool for more than a day, and this one was large/hard...sign of constipation).

From my perspective, if you have intestinal worms, your body keeps them there to help you, otherwise it would expel them, and if they are getting out there is a good chance that you needed them in the past, but now you don't.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-08-24/lifestyle/sns-rt-us-usa-health-parasitesbre87n0uw-20120824_1_rheumatoid-arthritis-pig-whipworm-autoimmune-disease-drugs

Either way, if you want to get rid of intestinal worms without medication, I hear you should have a lot of raw hot peppers, garlic, onion, and lime and lemon juice. Particularly the hot peppers help get rid of parasites when you eat a ton of them (to the point where it's way too hot to enjoy the meal).

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Health / Re: Starting to eat raw meat, need advice on storage, etc..
« on: March 03, 2015, 03:51:25 am »
I remember when "they" told me that a salad needed at least 10 vegetables in it, and I used to sit there and chop up ten veggies. Now, if I want a carrot, I eat a carrot, and the other nine are going to have to wait their turn.

Omg, did they really use to say that? That's hilarious and crazy.

Also, I loved the idea of the meathooks inside the fridge.

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Health / Re: Intestinal blockage
« on: February 27, 2015, 10:33:33 am »
I've started eating 1/2lb raw ground beef(seared for 30sec on ea side) with raw eggs, Kerry gold.
I'm only searing It because it's not organic. No issues so far. If I get my hands on organic I will try 100% raw.

FWIW I did the same thing and with the same thinking for over 2 years and didn't see any major benefit until I started eating meat 100% raw, a little over 2 months ago. 

In my view, the reason you want organic and grassfed is because it'll have less toxins, especially in the fat and organs. The bacteria are not what's bad for you from factory farmed meat, it's the toxins. And when you cook it, you make the toxins more easily absorbed, as you break the bonds that existed in the animal body, that your own digestive system can recognize and eliminate before too much is absorbed. What's more, when you partially cook it, the bacteria from the raw part will create toxic byproducts when they eat the cooked parts which are toxic for them.

If you can't find organic or wild meat of any kind, just have the raw lean muscle tissue without the fat. That is pretty low on toxins. You can have some other source of fats, like organic, unvaccinated, pastured eggs, or avocados. This is what I'm doing for the most part, and although my fat intake is much lower than I would prefer, and my protein intake is much higher by proportion, it's working pretty well.

If the reason for searing it is psychological (so that you can tell yourself it's not raw but rare), and you want to give it a cooked color, you can marinate it in lemon juice. Works particularly well with ground beef (or any other ground meats). Mix 1lb ground beef to 5-7oz lemon juice. Within a few minutes after mixing it well, you will have a bowl of ground beef that looks totally cooked, but isn't. Or if you only want the outside to look that way, you won't be needing much lemon juice at all, just enough to cover the outside for a short time. I usually add spicy things like garlic, onion, ginger or hot peppers, but you don't have to. Also a couple eggs mixed in there go great (meaning you can't taste them at all), but they'll stick to the meat and separate some the lemon juice out, so add them after the meat has your desired color.

Also, if you're interested, the whole idea of searing meat to kill bacteria comes from the concept that the outside part of the meat cuts is contaminated during the butchery process (from bacteria in the intestinal tract and/or other bacteria from the outside environment), but that the inside of the muscle or organs is sterile (which it isn't, but that's another issue). If you sear ground beef, but the inside is raw, that doesn't even work under that paradigm, because what used to be the outside of the cut of meat is now mixed all over the place, not just on the outside of it. So the fact that you've been doing this means it's perfectly safe to do 100% raw. You'll probably get detoxes as your body adapts and utilizes the new nutrients, but that's something else.

Btw, I also believe personally that meat of any kind that has been frozen loses a lot of nutrients, but others here disagree. I mention that because I noticed that a lot of the sources for organic meats come frozen since most of their customers don't seem to care, and it makes it easier for storage and shipping.

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General Discussion / Re: Farm raised oysters, are they safe?
« on: February 14, 2015, 08:52:18 pm »
They told me they had just arrived that day. The outside of the shells was a greenish black, instead of the more usual brownish white. I asked about the color, but the guy didn't know.

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General Discussion / Re: Farm raised oysters, are they safe?
« on: February 14, 2015, 06:34:46 am »
Well, we're back to the shriveled oysters with ocean-like water.

Also, my previous estimate was wrong. I was having about half a dozen a day, not a dozen. I could probably still eat 60 in two days, especially if they were the high quality ones, but it might not be as easy as I thought.

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Wai Dieters / Re: Commercial Bananas: The Worlds Most Destructive Crop
« on: February 14, 2015, 01:09:46 am »
I don't see this as a problem. If the plantation is abandoned then something else can be grown there. If it isn't, that's not the fault of the bananas, but of most of the people living there and the type of political system they have.

It's not the bananas that create the banana republics, anymore than potatoes created communism in the USSR, just as traditional mett (raw pork dish) was not what created anti-judaism in Germany.

I'm not a huge fan of bananas myself, too high in sugar. I prefer ripe plantains.

In any case, I ultimately I don't care about what's "eco-friendly", I care about what's human-friendly. If and when those two coincide, I'm in agreement with environmentalists. "eco-friendly" can mean something like drinking spring water from a plastic bottle that claims to completely degrade in 5 years. Now if it completely degrades in 5 years, think about how much toxicity is leeching from the plastic container into your water while that bottle sits on a shelf for weeks or months after bottling. Likewise using paper and cardboard to bag/box your produce, that has been recycled so many times, the chemical load is off the charts.

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Primal Diet / Re: How to make vanilla extract?
« on: February 13, 2015, 10:48:06 pm »
All the sources I found used cooking and continual heating to around 50 Celsius. But it looks like sun-drying has something to do with the process.

Do you know how it's made without cooking them or artificially heating them (other than through sun-drying)?

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General Discussion / Re: Farm raised oysters, are they safe?
« on: February 13, 2015, 02:04:38 pm »
I had never had oysters raw or cooked until a couple weeks ago. Then I saw them in a supermarket and assumed they were wild. I don't know if they are or not.

I've been having them often over the past few weeks. At first they didn't taste very good, I think most of them were shriveled, or just unhealthy. They were small for their shell size, and the liquid inside was very salty and somewhat clear, at first I thought this might be ocean water and was somewhat reluctant to drink it (because of the salt content). But the last few times they've been delicious. Big, and tasty. The liquid inside is very creamy, and not that salty. The shells are very hard and pretty thick. They take significant force (which is surprising for their size) and some skill to open. I suppose that means they are healthy, or just more fresh.

I could easily eat 60 of them in two days if I wasn't eating any other meats those days. Although I've only been eating them as a supplement to my other meats so I'm only eating about a dozen a day or a few less, when I have them.

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Primal Diet / Re: How to make vanilla extract?
« on: February 13, 2015, 01:28:33 pm »
Do you know how they ferment them?

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Primal Diet / Re: How to make vanilla extract?
« on: February 12, 2015, 10:24:31 am »
I've never even seen a vanilla bean, organic or not. But I suppose I would get them raw, unfermented and organic if possible.

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Primal Diet / How to make vanilla extract?
« on: February 12, 2015, 03:47:05 am »
In We Want To Live, Aajonus writes: "VANILLA EXTRACT should be organically grown and should contain its natural alcohol.", but he doesn't specify how you're supposed to make it. In The Recipe For Living Without Disease he mentions using organic vanilla extract, but doesn't explain how to make it.

Does anyone know how this is made? I've been looking for recipes but they all call for using high proof liquor, which Aajonus said is all toxic without exception. So what is the natural way to ferment vanilla beans so that they create their natural alcohol, without you having to add toxic alcohol yourself? Any ideas?

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General Discussion / Re: Killed a wild bird today
« on: February 02, 2015, 02:42:36 am »
Nice, what kind of bird was it, do you know?

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Health / Re: Vaccination
« on: January 28, 2015, 06:04:29 am »
I wasn't blaming you for taking vaccines yourself or giving them to your children in the past. I was asking the reasons why you now continue to believe that vaccines prevent disease (even if you think there are better ways to prevent disease)

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Health / Re: Vaccination
« on: January 27, 2015, 07:12:09 pm »
eveheart, van: How do you know that vaccines prevent disease? I've looked for consistent evidence on that but haven't found it.

Polio rates were going down before the introduction of the polio vaccine, and the decline slowed down after the vaccine became mandatory.

We may not have a lot of polio today, but there are many other types of diseases that were uncommon or less common back in the day. Everything from cancer to diabetes to ADHD to poor eyesight. You see plenty of people today in their mid 20's who's hair has all turned gray or white or has fallen out or thinned out to the point of baldness (natural color hair dyes and wigs made from real human hair at record high sales). People in their late 20's and early 30's are losing teeth like it's childhood all over again. Most women 21 and older (when they don't have a ton of makeup covering it up) have sagging bags and/or dark colored bruising below their eyes. Allergies, autism, heart attacks, kidney and gallbladder stones, Alzheimer's, IBS, appendicitis, mega-obesity, athsma, infertility, impotence in young males (24 year olds taking viagra), lack of an ability to properly lubricate in females (22 year olds using artificial lubricants), athletes dropping dead during warmup... Could it be that it's vaccines that are a significant factor causing some of these epidemics?

I don't mean to say that vaccines cause everything bad, or that they are the sole or main cause of everything bad, but it's a fact that as vaccines have gotten more widespread, and as we vaccinate our babies, kids, teens and adults against more diseases and in more occasions, most types of disease and health problems have skyrocketed. There might be a causal connection here, at least for some of the health issues.

Long term, proper double blind studies to compare the pros and cons of vaccines have never been done. In most cases they haven't even been done to prove effectiveness against the particular disease that the vaccine supposedly prevents. The labs say it would be "unethical" to engage in such studies, because of the concept of herd immunity. So effectiveness is assumed from the get-go, and then -after probably a large bribe from the pharmaceutical companies- the politicians make it mandatory to take them (forced inoculations) and/or mandatory to pay for them (by making them free, which means you have to pay for them through taxes). This doesn't inspire my trust in vaccines.

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Health / Re: Vaccination
« on: January 20, 2015, 11:48:33 pm »
Thanks everyone for the responses and links, they've been very illuminating.

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General Discussion / Re: Seafood sourcing?
« on: January 20, 2015, 11:44:08 pm »
Very useful tips, thank you!

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General Discussion / Re: Seafood sourcing?
« on: January 20, 2015, 09:12:23 pm »
eve, is there a way I can I tell if fish has had chemicals added to it to preserve it?

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Health / Re: Intestinal blockage
« on: January 05, 2015, 06:10:24 am »
Then have foods that don't require much chewing, like raw ground beef, raw fish, or raw eggs. Also vegetable juice works wonders here. And raw honey. And any raw dairy. I would suggest avoiding the pink salmon in particular because most of it is farmed, and all of it is GMO, even the wild variety, since the GMO pink salmon from farms escaped and contaminated the wild populations' genetics. But if all you can have is raw farmed pink salmon, it's still a lot better than anything cooked, IMO.

It's possible that the reason you have trouble chewing a lot is because your teeth are weak from a deficient diet and too much toxins. But I think they will heal in time if you give them the right nutrients and the tools to help get rid of toxins.

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Health / Vaccination
« on: January 04, 2015, 03:22:14 pm »
What are your thoughts on vaccines?

I've seen some people here refer to them as necessary under bad conditions.

I see them as nothing but venom injected into the body as if it were being delivered by a snake, scorpion or spider.  I haven't seen any conclusive evidence that they do any good, and I have seen lots of evidence that they do plenty of bad. People get all sorts of negative reactions from vaccines that are often minimized or unreported, from mild symptoms to allergies to even paralysis and death. And when you look into what's in them, it's no surprise. Moreover, injecting anything directly into the bloodstream bypasses our bodies' first lines of defense against foreign and toxic substances. Which is why venoumous animals use exactly this method of delivery.

Let me tell you my personal story. When I was 6 years old, my mother told me that we were going somewhere, I don't remember what she said, but I remember I was not concerned about going. Up until then my health had never been a concern, I was a very healthy and strong kid. When we arrived at the hospital, and she told me what they were going to do, I panicked. I wanted out of there. I instinctively knew that this was bad for me. If it wasn't, then why did my mother have to lie to get me to go? They had to drag me kicking and screaming into the vaccination room, where it took two big guys, a nurse, the doctor and my mother to all hold me down at the same time to keep me still enough to inject me. It was a nightmare.

A few days went by, and I was coming home from the swimming classes in the bus that would take all the kids from home to the pool and back. I noticed I had some yellow goo coming out of my arm, where they had injected me, and mentioned it to the kid sitting next to me. I didn't know what it was. He said it was called pus and it meant I was going to die. It made perfect sense to me, after all, I was injected with a poison right in that spot. I was depressed all day. When my mother asked me what was going on, I told her. She calmed my fears and told me I wasn't going to die. I wasn't sure if I should believe her or not; after all, she was the one who tricked me into going, and she held me down along with the others. And she was a doctor. I never trusted doctors.

A few months after that, school had just started, and I began getting colds that would last for months. I would have several every year, so that in total, 6 to 9 months out of the year, I had a cold. This had never happened before. Most of the time, the mucus that I would blow out of my nose was very thick and a dark yellow color, just like the pus coming out of my arm was. It slowly diminished over time until I was 22, when I was only having them 3 to 5 months out of the year, and then they suddenly stopped when I started taking massive amounts of vitamin C supplements. (I'm not taking the vitamin C anymore, I think it probably caused me other problems, and the colds have not resurfaced yet).

I had other vaccines when I was 9, 10, 11, 12 and 15 that probably gave me other health problems or exacerbated them. But the one I had when I was 6 was the one that made the most impact, and it wasn't until recently that I made the connection between the vaccine and my health starting to go down the drain.

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