They are not slaves in the literal sense of the word, but they are definitely not granted their basic worker's rights and human rights!

There's no such thing as worker's rights. You don't get special rights just for being a worker. There are only human rights, and they are the rights to own property, including one's own bodies, and to not have their property aggressed upon by others. And these rights haven't been breached here. Nobody has a right to good working conditions, or to have a job in the first place. If they don't like their jobs, they shouldn't take them, or they should quit.

It's not that simple when you're a migrant that doesn't have any other option than to either stick to the only available shitty job, or pay some more money -that they usually don't have- to go back to their country of origin. They are pretty much stuck here, and their employers know it very well.

Nobody forced them to be migrant workers. They chose to do that out of their own wills. And what's more, that's not the employer's problem or their responsibility to fix. If someone would starve if you don't give them a job, does that make you responsible for hiring them? No. It's their responsiblity to find their own means of subsistence that don't involve committing crimes against others. If you still want to help them, that's perfectly fine. But you shouldn't be compelled to by law.

What other word than "slave" would you use to describe them? "exploited laborer" is perhaps more accurate...

Workers.

And what do you mean by exploited? Everybody is exploited. Exploitation means putting some resource to use. You are exploiting me by reading my posts, and I'm exploiting you. The workers are exploiting the employers to get jobs that will pay them, in their view, better money and with better working conditions than they were able to get in their own countries. We know this because they chose to move there and stay there with all the complications that implies, just so that they could have those jobs.

Well that's a very lousy strategy then since a simple investigation will show that the workers lied.

I didn't say they lied. It could all be true and it would still be extortion. And of course, if they don't want the jobs anymore, it doesn't cost them anything to make up lies. The only valid complain is the one where they said they're only being paid for 16 days even though they worked 26, which I doubt. And the part about pesticides would only be valid if they were told they wouldn't be sprayed with them. If they were aware of what was going on and they chose to keep the job, it's their responsibility if they got sick.

And I think it's safe to say that Spanish field owners have more influence on the state's opinion than a bunch of non-native salad pickers.

That could very well be true, but that's not the point.

Good point!

That is actually a bad point because most scientists agree that the Earth was likely not originally formed with water on it, but rather picked it up over time.

I mean the pangea theory is like, ok, we see all these continents, and some of them clearly fit (like South America clearly fits with Africa), so we're going to assume that at one point in the past, our planet had only one continent, and this continent split and is moving all over the place.

But if a continent is just a part of the planet's surface that is further away (higher, from our perspective) from the core than the rest (which is covered under ocean water), why do we automatically assume that it's the continents that must be moving? None of this makes sense to me. The only thing that makes sense is what this guy is saying.

Maybe he's crazy, and maybe I am too for considering this. But I think he's on to something. I can't explain how it happens (the growth), or when it happened (it could've happened during and right after the Big Bang, if there was one, for all I know), but it makes perfect sense that continents got the way they are because they're being pushed away by new surface that is coming out of the core, or coming out of somewhere.

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I originally watched this in 2011 and was very interested by it. I still am. I'm really bad with geometry and even worse with geology. But the idea that continents move the way they taught me in school, never made sense to me.

What do you all think? Is this guy on to something?

Neal Adams - Science: 01 - Conspiracy: Earth is Growing!

I can't tell if he's using tricks to make you believe that they fit the way he says. Like I said, I'm really bad with geometry, and big jigsaw puzzles are hard for me. And that's in 2D. In 3D they seem a lot more complex even. Still, a lot of what he says makes sense to me. If you're interested, he has a series of videos, the one on Europa, a moon of Jupiter was particular interesting. And then there was one on our own moon, though the images used were low quality in that one. And the one where he claims to disprove the pangea theory simply by using math, was also very interesting.

I don't know if he's claiming that growth happens by surface area, by volume or by mass, or all of the above. But I think he's not saying that growth happens at a constant rate, or that it's happening right now, just that it happens in some occasions. And I don't know if the ramnifications on science as a whole would be as severe as he claims, but maybe they would be, I don't know.

Well I tried to make another simple rennet cheese. This time a lot of fat was oozing out of the curds, like with the lemon juice+rennet experiment (it's the same batch of milk, maybe it was more fatty than the first time I tried, I don't know). I kept the temperature more stable and made sure it didn't go past 35.5C (96 F). I may have used a little less rennet than the first time. In any case, after pressing for 30hs, what came out was the best of the three. It has a cheesy taste but unlike the other two, it's much less sour. The other two weren't very sour, just a bit, and this is less so. Also, the consistency is very spongy, just like a thick omelette which needless to say, is amazing. I used a lot of layers of cloth this time for pressing, which I didn't do the first time. I did it to absorb all the ridiculous amount of fat that was oozing out. I could have eaten it like that to avoid losing all that awesome fat, but it was too wet and probably sweet still (I think I forgot to taste it before pressing and just assumed it'd be sweet, I'm not sure).

I'm gonna try kefir next, with the damaged DNA grains. And I will also try allowing milk to separate and curdle on it's own without any additives, the way CK and eve said.

I've only been eating raw organic fresh (never-frozen) chicken for 30 days. and I didn't have it every day, not even close, but I've had up to 1.5kg in a single day and 12kg in total from 4 different suppliers. I've eaten the meat, skin, cartilage, marrow and some bone and organs. Never had any major problems with them. And they taste amazing.

Also, over the past 100 days I've had 222 large organic chicken eggs from 5 different suppliers (and will soon try 2 more). The worst I had was some intense intestinal cramps and mild diarrhea that lasted 2-3 days. But I got it after mixing raw eggs with raw conventionally raised lean ground beef. After one night at room temperature, the top of the mixture turned a dark brownish black-purple color, sort of like century eggs. I don't know what it was that caused that. I then threw it away.

(yes, I keep a food log)

But the cats weren't on the cooked diet for thousands upon thousands of generations like the bacteria and yeast in kefir would be...

I don't study, but I learn, yeah.

A pump and dump scheme is one where you buy a large portion of a very cheap company, then flood potential investors with recommendations to buy it, usually using the fact that it's already gone up (due to your buying) as a way to get more people to fall for it. They claim this company is going to be the biggest thing since standard oil or something. They advertise gains in the thousands or tens of thousands of percentual points, or more. This is the pump phase. Because so many people are being told to buy it, the stock goes up dramatically. They point to that as proof that they were right, and continue to pump it. When they decide they've reached the top of the pump phase, they quickly unload all their stock, this is the dump phase, then the stock plummets as everybody sees their gains evaporate and sells, but only after the scammers dumped theirs.

It's a fraudulent way to scam lots of money off of investors who are easily influenced by what they hear or read.

G4T didn't face any sanction, the SEC is now friends with Lebed and they allow him to run his schemes, he probably kicks back a fair amount to them. The SEC will only persecute honest brokers who are offering a better service than the big firms who pay them bribes and have their CEO's running the place, or writing the laws. Lebed is small by comparison, but because he is a fraudster, he doesn't pose a threat to the big firms. And he knows the way of the game and who you gotta shake hands with and give gifts to.

Well the kefir grains' genetics will be all distorted and mutated for the worse, plus they will have plenty of toxins to eliminate into the milk, for how many generations, I don't know, but some of the damage may be permanent.

Can you wrap it in something non-toxic to minimize exposure to air? And what would be a good material if so?

Very interesting GS... Particularly about the meter. In order to calculate the meter they would've had to be able to calculate the size of the Earth, so as to calculate the distance from the equator to the north pole, which is what the meter was originally based on. Also, if they've known about this for so long, and never told anybody... Then... Well that just speaks all sorts of conspiracies to me.

I wonder how they draw those circles inside and outside the pyramid to get the speed of light... If they are just drawn arbritrarily then it doesn't mean anything... If they can only be drawn in that exact way... then wow...

About the eyes of the sphinx, wouldn't any given static point in our planet be the same as far as travelling through all the equinoxes over the period of 26k years that it takes for our planet to go through them?

Thanks eve. Does your son do a raw diet too?

I checked that site, and all the rennet forms are full of chemicals. Except the organic one, which has a lot of salt for some reason. I can't imagine why, since I doubt salt helps milk curdle (or does it?)

If you get in touch with one of the hunters or someone else who has access to them (small slaughterhouse? small farm?), and maybe buy other products from them so that they know you as a good customer, and then ask if they would sell you those under the table, they might. It's not like selling drugs anyway, the penalty can't be that bad if they get caught. And maybe you can offer to sign a release for them. Or do something like what they do in parts of the US for illegal raw milk, where the clients buy "shares" in a cows' milk production, and that way they get around the ban.

Maybe offer to work for free at the slaughering/butchering process.

Or tell them it's for a science project and it needs to be fresh and from a healthy animal.

Or tell them it's to feed your cats/dogs. Or pandas!!