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Journals / Re: Josh's Newbie Journal
« on: August 01, 2009, 05:40:40 am »
If you are going to eat dried sweet potatoes, I would eat them very sparingly, and pay close attention to how they make you feel.  In general, carbs are not at all healthy when dried, unlike fat/meat.  I don't hold out much hope for sweet potatoes being healthy when dried.

    Dried fat is healthy?  I think aajonus says it's not.  Also, I don't think I can digest meat that has been dried.  I think this may depend of the individual's digestive process. 

    I did eat raw sweet potato the other day.  I had a headache before that, and the headache went away after.  The sweet potato may have helped me, but it was not dried.

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    Hi Mr BBQ.  Have you ever fermented meats in a ceramic pot?  I have a thread going on that.  You're welcome to participate.  I've never done fermented oil project, sorry.

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Off Topic / Re: Who hunts their food?
« on: July 30, 2009, 11:33:52 pm »
    Same here.  Haven't done it yet though.

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Off Topic / Re: Did an ice age boost human brain size?
« on: July 30, 2009, 10:56:23 pm »
    I did feel like tropical heat where I used to live was baking my brain.  I guess it did a good job, as I can't decide whether it's true that the ice age made our brains larger.  Intuitively I would say yes, as if I ever get a headache, if it goes away for part of the day..that's at night when the weather happens to be cooler.  Head, brain, whatever..I'm still not sure.  With warm weather we need less shelter and less food.  It's why I had changed location to the tropics.  We do have to think more when it's cold.

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Primal Diet / Re: raw meat vs. frozen
« on: July 30, 2009, 08:14:20 pm »
What about AGEs and protein


http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2001/07/14/insulin-part-one.aspx

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Whether those so-called applopatic genes developed as a means to prevent cancer or not is open to speculation, but it is a good theory. We know that all cancer cells have turned off the mechanisms for apoptosis, which is the medical term for chemical suicide. So we know that it plays a role.

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and what about people who eat fruit (for hydration :o) and AGEs?

Nicola

    I used to eat fruit for hydration.  I felt and looked horrible.  It's a good recipe for a swift race to death.  I wasn't eating bread or beans or fried food or soda or anything like that either.

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Primal Diet / Re: raw meat vs. frozen
« on: July 30, 2009, 08:10:04 pm »
GC Burger told us about their experiments with their pigs left outside in freezing weather. There was frozen apples on the ground and they let the pigs eat it. They showed no sign of troubles as long as the apples were still frozen, thaw happening in the pigs mouths. But once the temperature rose over 0°C, the apples thawed on the ground before the pigs ate it. Then they showed some troubles - GC Burger didn't elaborate and we didn't ask him what kind of troubles, but here's what he told us, concluding that it's probably OK to eat frozen food as long as thawing happens inside the mouth !

Francois

    ... and my son always made fun of me for eating food out of the freezer rather than thawing, blending or cooking.  It seems I did something right without knowing!  I wonder what the scientific mechanism might be to make thawing in the mouth better?

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General Discussion / Re: Colostrum
« on: July 30, 2009, 07:35:30 pm »
    My Mom gave it to me when she gave birth to me.  I thank all involved.  Besides that I tried it twice from cow, Organic Pastures, I wasn't impressed enough to continue.  I'm sure colostrum has great benefits, but I feel it's better for the babies.

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General Discussion / Re: Niacin flush
« on: July 30, 2009, 07:29:34 pm »
RawZi- great read. There is white bleached tripe that you can buy from the store sometimes (not my idea of good food). I am going to work on switching to a lightly cooked pale diet and then try and transition over slowly. I want to cut out all sugar, caffeine, grains etc and processed foods. Ill stick to some fruit and a bit of veg along with lightly cooked beef most likely. I will continue to eat marrow and occasionally have raw organs an meat/fat but try and do it on the days I have a day off the next day :).

    I'm glad to be of some help.  Funny thing, I accidentally met someone a couple hours after I posted that who was part of the late '70's early '80 test group at NIH to have his cholesterol lowered via use of nicotinic acid.  It did help him, but they never told him raw meat or any meat has it.  Where do I get green tripe?  Is it green only in cow?  Do your diet transition however you need.  Best of success to you!

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General Discussion / Re: Man the Scavenger like a Vulture?
« on: July 30, 2009, 07:18:43 pm »
    I have thought we were like vultures, which is a good thing.  What would happen if there were no vulture path animals around?  Bodies would lie around in the deserts, seas and forests turning into mush and mummies.  I think it's better the way it is.  I never read anything about us being like vultures, except that our first tools may have been for scraping off meat leftover on bones from kills from other animals.  I do know that I do very well with food that has as many bacteria as possible, and that dogs like that too.  When I feed meat to cats, they prefer as fresh as possible, or they'll intentionally go without food until fresh meat is available.

    I just gathered some links.  Is there any reading you'd recommend?

http://books.google.com/books?id=6mxZ1hNBHgkC&source=gbs_navlinks_s
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v432/n7015/full/nature03052.html http://www.howcomyoucom.com/Descent.htm
http://tinyurl.com/mh7mhx
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/prehistoric_life/human/human_evolution/food_for_thought1.shtml http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/transcripts/2107hum2.html
http://www.evoyage.com/ManInTheMist/ChapterThreeMist.htm

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Primal Diet / Re: raw meat vs. frozen
« on: July 27, 2009, 02:28:41 pm »
The meat does not rot and decompose in a dry refrigerator. It just gently dries, and pass through different stages that can give some surprising tastes.
The only problem I can see with aged meat is the creation of AGEs. But the quantity is minimal, even after a few months.

    Do you have a scientific paper to show me that explains that?

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General Discussion / Re: Niacin flush
« on: July 27, 2009, 02:13:26 pm »
good point. I do not have any that I know of. So far digestion has been going good so I will just let nature take its course for now. I am going to be eating mainly muscle meat, fat and organ. I will probably do egg and fruit in the morning for the start more out of habit and for comfort than anything. What else is recommended to add in, cod liver oil? Also do any of you ever eat green tripe?

    I haven't tried raw tripe yet, but I want to.  What kinds of tripe are there besides green?

    Why not nicotinic acid?  Why niacin? 


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Nicotinic acid (but not nicotinamide) given in drug dosage improves the blood cholesterol profile, and has been used to clear the body of organic poisons, such as certain insecticides. People report more mental alertness when this vitamin is in sufficient supply.

Deficiency of vitamin B3

A deficiency may cause pellagra, the classic niacin deficiency disease, and is characterized by bilateral dermatitis, diarrhea, and dementia.

A shortage of niacin may be indicated with symptoms such as canker sores, depression, diarrhea, dizziness, fatigue, halitosis, headaches, indigestion, insomnia, limb pains, loss of appetite, low blood sugar, muscular weakness, skin eruptions, and inflammation.

Dosage

The dosage underneath is the Recommended Dietary Allowance (RDA), but be aware that this dosage is the minimum that you require per day, to ward off serious deficiency of this particular nutrient. In the therapeutic use of this nutrient, the dosage is usually increased considerably, but the toxicity level must be kept in mind.

Male 18 mg per day and female 13 mg per day although 100 mg is mostly used in supplementation.

Large doses given to lower cholesterol may produce hyperuricemia, and hepatic abnormalities. These effects are reversed if the drug is reduced in amount or discontinued.

Toxicity and symptoms of high intake

Nicotinic acid, but not nicotinamide in doses larger than 200 mg causes flushing by dilating the blood vessels, which can also cause the blood pressure to drop.

These flushes are normally harmless. Large dosages can also cause itching, elevated blood glucose, peptic ulcers and liver damage

Best used with

Niacin is best taken with the B group vitamins and vitamin C.

When more may be required

Consuming alcohol and not having enough protein in your diet may increase your need for niacin.

People with diabetes, glaucoma, any liver disease or peptic ulcers should be careful of niacin supplementation.

Enemy of vitamin B3

Niacin is lost readily when food is cooked in water.

Other interesting points

Nicotinamide is under investigation for helping to prevent and control diabetes.

Food sources of vitamin B3

Liver, lean meat, poultry, fish, rabbit, nuts, peanut yeast, meats including

    I think from what you're eating, you should be getting plenty of B3 already, even enough to flush if needed.

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Now this is the really important part – Niacinamide does NOT trigger the switch in the pathways. It’ll stop you from getting Pellagra, sure. But it won’t flip the switch to say “hey, you’ve got enough Niacin – let’s start making Serotonin instead.”

So your body will carry on trying to convert Tryptophan into Niacin, and use it all up, leaving you with a somewhat lower amount of Serotonin in your system (and Vitamin B6, as this is used up in the conversion process).

How do you get around this?

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http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/reprint/24/2/153.pdf (The Nicotinic Acid Content of Meat, W.J. Dann, P.J. Handler, April 16 1942, The Journal of Nutrition)

The first paper discusses how typical cooking methods cause nicotinic acid to be lost in the process when cooking fresh and canned fruits and vegetables. This can be – especially if you don’t use the cooking water elsewhere in your cooking – anywhere up to 41% of the amount of Vitamin B3 in the food – and we’re talking about typical portions of about 3.5oz here, which typically contain only about .5mg to begin with. (Although if you want a boost, go for peas and asparagus).

The second paper discusses how cooking meat affects the same thing; the result here is that while a lot of meats have more nicotinic acid in them than veggies, they typically lose over half of it during cooking. That, and the best sources for your are chicken breast, chicken liver and other kinds of liver. But, of course, you still lose up to 50% of the nicotinic acid in the food by cooking it.
Simple. Start taking the nicotinic acid form, along with Tryptophan. This works much better than St. John’s Wort or a prescription SSRI (at least, in my experience).

Why does it work better?

Your body can regulate the conversion process. It can limit the amount of serotonin in your system, and target the results. What’s more, your brain directly uses the higher amount of Tryptophan and converts it to Serotonin inside your brain. Which is much better than SSRIs which can have nasty effects on the Serotonin producing cells in your gut.

(Your gut has its own, entirely separate brain to control digestion, a medical fact that was almost lost for about 100 years, but that’s a story for another time).

What about 5-HTP? Why not just use that?

5-HTP is an intermediate step in the production of Serotonin.

But your body doesn’t regulate its conversion to Serotonin. It’s not limited, other than by the amount of 5-HTP decarboxylase in your system.

This means that you can get Serotonin overload. What’s more, most of the conversion will happen in your body – not your brain. Before you even get close to a therapeutic amount, you’ll start getting the shakes, and will probably vomit. Sure, some of it will make it into the brain – but it’ll also be floating around your body. (And that can cause heart issues, so don’t do it!).

So What Should I Take?

Before I go to bed, I personally am taking 1500mg of L-Tryptophan, along with 300mg of Nicotinic Acid. (Be VERY careful to get the Nicotinic acid form of Niacin – it’s often hard to tell, and the most clearly labeled form is SolarRay’s brand). I also take about 250mg of B6 (which in some studies helps the brain convert the Tryptophan into Serotonin, which is confusing, as B6 is involved in the synthesis of Niacin), and 100mg of B1 (because I drink occasionally, and eat a lot of sugary foods).

The effects come on within about 15 minutes, and I’m no longer depressed or anxious at all, and get a very good night’s sleep.

I occasionally try this mix during the day, and it works well then too. There’s some flushing that occurs (skin redness & itching), but that goes away over time and lessens over the course of a few weeks.

If you try this out, be careful NOT to take more than 1500mg of Niacin per day. For safety’s sake, keep it below 1000mg. And DON’T mix it with SSRIs, or you risk getting too much Serotonin – which is also bad.

A Call for Research

And here’s the important thing:

Can we please do a study to lock down the exact mechanism of the switching pathway to determine exactly how Nicotinic acid supplementation switches production of Niacin to production of Serotonin in the body?

If we do this study, we can probably help the millions of people around the world with depression by mandating a switch from Niacinamide fortification of foods to Nicotinic Acid supplementation (or a 50-50 mix) in foods.

We beat Pellagra. We can beat depression too.

Disclaimer: As ever, I’m not a medical doctor, and don’t claim to be one. Use this information at your own risk, and consult your physician before proceeding. I can’t be held responsible for any bad side effects you may experience by following this advice. Nutritional supplements are effectively drugs, and should be treated as such.


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John Tyndall, a prominent British physicist, realized in 1883 that a mountain of ice in the North requires a lot of energy everywhere else, which means heat. An ice age requires not a cooler climate but a warmer one with a cold spot where the ice is.

That lands near the pole were warm and ice-free during the Ice Age has been known—and ignored—since the 1700s. Tools and other signs of human habitation are (conventionally) at least 30,000 years old.

Pleistocene remains indicate that extensive grasslands supported large populations of many animal species. This warm climate stretched across the northern parts of Siberia, Alaska, Canada, and Greenland, while land to the South was buried under thousands of feet of ice.

    Sounds like a refrigerator or freezer :) Funny how competing political groups, when one wins, often the other ideas get forgotten about.  No one even knows for sure what's going on next door, yet they've been telling us for years what supposedly happened in the ice age as if they lived it yesterday.

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Health / Re: Vitamin A Toxicity
« on: July 27, 2009, 06:51:12 am »
that was also a consideration and i hope it is so as then I could eat liver every day! I love it.

    Hi Adam. 

    Were you eating the liver for more than the week?  Or only shoulder meat during the other time?  In the youtube you call the regimen you were following primal diet or paleolithic diet rather than raw paleo.  Since the liver you bought wasn't organically raised, aajonus would never have approved of that on the primal diet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pietrosperoni/Primal_diet#Foods_in_the_Diet as written in We Want to Live http://home.earthlink.net/~welive/story.html.  Liver is an organ meat.  I didn't notice once in the video if you said you were eating the liver raw or cooked or whether it had been frozen or altered in any other way or if you just bit off chunks while holding it with your hands.  I notice you like chili.  Were you eating the meat with spices and other vegetables?  Were you drinking vegetable or fruit juice closer than one hour to the time you ate other foods? 

    Why do you want liver so much?  Just the taste?  Or the copper and other nutrients?  I think the idea of primal diet is to get basic nutrients, and your body will take it from there, not to load up on certain minerals.  I started eating liver four months into the primal diet.  Maybe I should have started sooner, but I never had any problem from it.

    I looked up a little on Vitamin A toxicity below.  I find getting enough saturated animal fats in my diet prevent those symptoms, but I see you plan to try that, to eat enough fats to 'clean' out excess A.

    I hope you're feeling better.  I'd love to hear.


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This is a potentially serious problem. It usually occurs by taking more that 50,000-250,000 IU per day for more than 3 months. It can lead to dry skin, mouth sores, vomiting, and poor appetite. Eventually, it can cause increased pressure within the brain, headaches, and problems thinking clearly. It may also lead to an enlarged liver or to liver failure.

Please note that it is extremely important to obtain an accurate diagnosis before trying to find a cure.  Many diseases and conditions share common symptoms: if you treat yourself for the wrong illness or a specific symptom of a complex disease, you may delay legitimate treatment of a serious underlying problem.  In other words, the greatest danger in self-treatment may be self-diagnosis. If you do not know what you really have, you can not treat it!

Knowing how difficult it is to weed out misinformation and piece together countless facts in order to see the "big picture", we now provide simple online access to The Analyst™.  Used by doctors and patients alike, The Analyst™ is a computerized diagnostic tool that sits on a vast accumulation of knowledge and research.  By combining thousands of connections between signs, symptoms, risk factors, conditions and treatments, The Analyst™ will help to build an accurate picture of your current health status, the risks you are running and courses of action (including appropriate lab testing) that should be considered.  Full information is available here.

Vitamin A is normally a fat-soluble vitamin. It occurs in nature as preformed vitamin A and provitamin A (primarily beta carotene). The carotenes are converted into vitamin A in the intestines. Fat-soluble vitamin A can accumulate in the liver, causing side-effects, but consuming too much carotene will not result in vitamin A toxicity. Thyroxine, zinc and vitamin E enhance the conversion of carotene to vitamin A. Water-soluble vitamin A results in higher blood levels, with less accumulation in the liver, and, though hard to find, can be used safely in much higher doses.

Laboratory tests appear unreliable for monitoring toxicity, since serum vitamin A levels correlate poorly with toxicity, and SGOT and SGPT are elevated only in symptomatic patients. More importantly, there is concern about the teratogenicity of massive dosages of vitamin A. Women of child-bearing age should use effective birth control during treatment and for at least one month after discontinuation.

Some may take too much vitamin A at once, absorbed via overdose (or by doing something stupid such as eating polar bear liver!) This can cause stomach pain, nausea, vomiting, headache, and difficulty sleeping.

Signs & Symptoms
Chapped lips and dry skin, which may be early symptoms, will generally occur in the majority of patients, particularly in dry weather. The first significant toxic symptom is usually headache followed by fatigue, emotional lability, and muscle and joint pain.

Signs, symptoms & indicators of Vitamin A Toxicity:
   
Symptoms - General     Constant fatigue

Symptoms - Head - Mouth/Oral   
  Chapped lips
    Chapped lips and dry skin, which may be early symptoms, will generally occur in the majority of patients, particularly in dry weather.

Symptoms - Mind - Emotional   
  Emotional instability

Symptoms - Skeletal   
  Joint pain/swelling/stiffness

Conditions that suggest Vitamin A Toxicity:
         
Metabolic     Migraine/Tension Headaches

Musculo-Skeletal   
  Muscle Pains (Myalgia)

Skin-Hair-Nails   
  Dry skin
    Chapped lips and dry skin, which may be early symptoms, will occur in a majority of patients with vitamin A toxicity, particularly in dry weather.

  Male Hair Loss
    Vitamin A toxicity symptoms include skin that has a rough and dry appearance, hair loss and brittle nails.

  Female Hair Loss
    Vitamin A toxicity symptoms include skin that has a rough and dry appearance, hair loss and brittle nails.

  Night Sweats

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Instincto / Anopsology / Re: Explain INstincto Diet Fully
« on: July 26, 2009, 02:21:12 am »
Heh, yeah, if bananas make your stomach turn then I could definitely see how they would lead to weight loss. :)

    Supposed to be that people on an omnivore cooked diet, when they eat a lot of ripe local untreated bananas, it's laxative, maybe the type of fiber in banana. My instinct tells me bananas smell bad. 

    She told me grain puts on and keeps on weight.  I was thin then and ate grain everyday.  I know now that grain is used to fatten animals, and for me grain just destroyed my appetite, etc because it was bad for my liver, adrenals and thyroid.  Of course, getting grain off the menu took unnecessary weight off my body.

    Grain is just so unhealthy generally and/or difficult to use, it's a wonder it's so popular worldwide.  That must be due to its addiction factor.

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General Discussion / Re: Update how you're doing... :)
« on: July 25, 2009, 01:36:24 pm »
Okay, they were actually very nice... but *very* hard to get open for a little piece of meat in each one. It's a couple of hours later and I feel great, so a good experience this time anyway. :) I still have a nice salty taste in my mouth... I'm not sure if I'll do them again though.

    I wasn't so lucky.  I got raw mussels twice, and they were terrible, both sources.  I enjoyed scallop, clam and oyster for a while, tired of salt now though.  Had raw lamb liver tonight.  Hit the spot!

    I'm glad you're doing so well.  Coming along!

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Instincto / Anopsology / Re: Explain INstincto Diet Fully
« on: July 25, 2009, 01:21:04 pm »
He ate a lot of bananas to successfully gain weight so as to get into the Navy. My own experience matches his, in that I find that bananas don't have nearly as much of a stop as raw meat and other foods. That could explain those numbers that Nieft quoted. Some people may get early stops with bananas, but it seems that in general they have much less of a stop than most Instincto foods.

Maybe my case is rare. I'm hoping that I'll be able to eat at least some wild fruits and berries in the future, but if it impacts my health I've found I can live without fruits and nuts much more easily than I expected.
So once I found that bananas provided less potassium for me than meats do, it didn't surprise me to learn that bananas were basically inedible before the Neolithic ...

Since buying rice requires buying at least a bag of it, I don't intend to ever buy any. I don't find rice to be particularly tasty anyway, so I'm also not likely to eat it as a cheat outside the home unless it becomes inconvenient to not do so (such as when someone cooks something for me that already has rice mixed in with it--that's the only time I've found a reason to eat it).

I'm still learning and the differences between Instincto and RPD are pretty minor when compared to SAD and vegetarianism.

    I had this neighbor in the tropics, regular omnivore, when she wanted to lose weight she would switch from rice to potatoes and start eating a lot of bananas.  Seemed to work for her for weightloss.  She talked about banana weightLOSS connection like it was something everyone knew.  The bananas grew everywhere, so they were pritttee natural.

    Bananas just about always made my stomach turn, yuck.

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    My heart beat got more rapid from grain and/or nuts.  I don't think fruit ever did that, but didn't help either.

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General Discussion / Re: abroad in spain for 3 months need help!
« on: July 25, 2009, 01:07:28 pm »
My mother in law somehow likes extra virgin olive oil's taste.

I'd rather have grass fed butter as a crutch as well.

...

You can also use avocados for fat, coconut cream for fat.  See which one agrees with you.

    If you're like me, make sure the butter's raw.  I tried grass grazed pasteurized butter visiting my mil and I will not repeat that.  Took me months to undo the damage.  I've always loved coconuts and avocado.  Spain being hot, I bet they're popular there.

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General Discussion / Re: abroad in spain for 3 months need help!
« on: July 25, 2009, 01:03:21 pm »
when there is shortage of any sort of animal fat

that's rather beneficial when you're in hot region such as Spain ;)

    LOL true, but it's Summer here, and I haven't been eating enough fat lately, and handling meat today my hands felt cold through and through.  Went out and got some of the best beef marrow I ever had. Let my shopping sit out a little, ate the marrow raw and raw  lamb liver I bought with it and my hands are getting better.  In Summer I can deal with olive oil better, but still do best on saturated animal fat.   

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General Discussion / Re: abroad in spain for 3 months need help!
« on: July 24, 2009, 06:50:34 pm »
    Two other things:
    Me personally, raw butter is better than even cold-stone pressed organic olive oil.  I feel cold when I substitute animal fat with olive oil.
    Enjoy your time in Spain!

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General Discussion / Re: abroad in spain for 3 months need help!
« on: July 24, 2009, 06:47:08 pm »
    I've never been to Spain, and I don't eschew all dairy, so I have some different ideas.  I have not tried sheep cream/butter/milk, but I know Spain is famous raw sheep cheeses and they have pastured pork more available than other countries.  I know sheep milk is higher in fat and protein than cow/goat.
http://www.sheepmilk.biz/sheepmilk.html
    I have tried sheep yogurt, and IMO it's much better, incomparable to goat/cow. I know there is sheep milk ice cream, so there must be sheep cream and sheep butter. Sheep meat/milk products are better tolerated than goat/cow generally (they are by me).
http://www.blueriverdairy.co.nz/nutritional/health
    If I were in Spain, I'd look for sheep fat sources number one.

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    My son and I both read what you posted and discussed it with each other.  Thank you for posting it.  He said, "money is like a paper spell".     

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Journals / Re: Lex's Journal
« on: July 23, 2009, 07:12:52 am »
 I considered it to be politically correct nonsense but who knows.  

    My bones got stronger from RAF and celery, that's about all I was eating when and leading up to when it happened.  Does Cheryl consider celery a green when she says that?

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General Discussion / Re: Tomatoes Harmful?
« on: July 23, 2009, 07:08:54 am »
    IMO cayenne and other hot peppers are better applied on the outside of the body.  Paleo people probably didn't need it.  It's to draw out toxins.

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Off Topic / Re: clinical kinesiology
« on: July 23, 2009, 07:06:23 am »
    The stress rings probably mean you need more exercise.  The muscle testing, I like, but take it or leave it, it's not that big.

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