How come fruit/sugar causes me inflammation(muscular & skin) then?(however only really eaten fruit when eating cooked meat, and not raw)

btw, Tyler. Eating cooked meat I feel an irresistible(as if essential) urge to eat a substantial amount of fruit along with it... An urge I don't get with raw meat. After eating the fruit I'll get inflammation in the form of pain in the skin(acne), pain in the muscles, and the sort of muscle inflammation often described as 'cramp', or 'spasm'.

Our maids are on high carbohydrate rice diet so they're starting to get fat as they age.

Maids!

Nicola, it's a bit pointless starting such controversial posts.

I don't think it's pointless... Some people here seem to experience problems over a long period of time, and call them detoxes, e.g. vomiting, diahrrea, pains. Others have irritability/sensitivity over a long period and say it's because they're clean/detoxed. Anyway, loads seem to have these sort of problems and just shrug them off and keep going, "It must be good".

That doesn't mean Paleo, or Raw Paleo is an eating disorder. However, lots of people eating Paleo/Raw Paleo, and posting on these forums, seem to have eating disorders...

One thing I find difficult here is that lots of people seem to go raw paleo, before just going paleo, so they seem to attribute the +'s to rawpaleo, when the things they notice they'd get on cooked meat paleo too(ofc, rawpaleo, if done right probably has the potential to be much better than cooked but most people probably wouldn't notice the differences attributed to the meat being raw unless they'd already been for a while on cooked meat). So either they think 'You win some you lose some' and accept the rough with the smooth, losing their problems from grain/legume/dairy/salt intolerances and replacing them with others.. Or they think to go back to their SMD... One reason why it's hard for me to take info from here.

People can't think, and give me balanced answers/responses about things to do with rawpaleo/raw meat, when they only have the SMD to compare it to. They'll come up with all sorts of reasons in their head as to why they have the negative effects, because surely it must be good with the positives they've also experienced... This will cause a sort of defensiveness too.

I am quite confident that rawpaleo, probably almost all meat, with VLC is much better than to have cooked meat. However, if someone doesn't take the step of first going with cooked meat(unless they are 'lucky' enough to get it right straight away) then they will not be able to identify what is due to raw and what is due to more generally 'paleo'. Severe problems being caused from eating the wrong raw animal food, they won't take note of, since to them it's minor compared to what they had with the SMD.

One of the key principles of paleo anyway, is to only eat food which in its' natural state, could be eaten raw. A cashew(nut), for example, although 'fine'(on the face of things) to eat raw in abundance from a plastic packet, would be virtually impossible to obtain edibly, in its' natural state(therefore it should not be assumed that we are suitably adapted to handle all its' constituents). Conversely, meat, in its' most natural state would be perfectly edible raw. However, if there are less-natural methods of raising, 'extracting', carving, storing, delivering etc of the meat, it may not be safe to eat raw; therefore you'd cook it to allow for anything that could've gone wrong. The closer you are to eating an animal which has grown up and lived in an environment which it evolved naturally over a lengthy period of time to exist in, and would've been available to humans as prey, and the closer your methods of killing it and eating it are to how a 'wild-human' would've done it, the less likely anything could go wrong, and the less need there may be for compensatory measures(e.g. cooking).

Is cooking bad? I would say almost certainly, yes. Can some meat be worse to have raw than cooked? Even that I do not know. However, are there things that many raw-meat eaters here do, regards to their consumption of raw meat, which, if they'd first tried cooked, they'd realise weren't right. Probably yes.

Is Guinea Fowl better to have raw than chicken? There's some in my supermarket for just £3.80 per kilo. I don't know if they're wildfowl, free-range or what... but it's yellowish, looks more sort of natural and appealing than chicken. I mean, I wouldn't want to go near raw chicken at all, at least for a long time(if it was well raised), seeing as I've not even been stable on beef yet, but coming from the people who would eat poultry... Where would Guinea Fowl come, or can its' quality/source be as variable as chicken?

When I used to do part of my work out(I used to do different sections on different days, this was one - now I do everything, everyday, but to a lesser degree), outside at an unused park - Body Weight & Balance exercises, I always used to feel pumped afterwards and go for a run rather than going straight home. Felt good...

I'm going to go back to eating cooked-meat again, but with things like lettuce if anything(+I'll use VitD Gel Caps in addition to Fish Oil); no sugary fruit. Last night I ate some stuff I've not eaten in ~2years: Baked(Kidney) Beans, Pilau Rice, Wheat, Oats, Milk, Chilli Pepper... + some things I've had very little of: Pickled Vegetables, Dried fruit.. My insides still hurt, but now for a different reason, and I managed to get rid of the fever-causing stuff... I'll probably try eating raw meat/fat again when I get the grass-fed beef...

Nah, I haven't tried butter.. why?

Someone said you had some sort of stones blocking your bile? If this true(and how do they know?), how does this occur in the first place and how is it sorted? Does it just sort itself out over time? Do you think it's possible I could have something blocking my bile, or impairing its' production..?

I think if the fat gets beyond the small intestine it is bad, as it's not meant to handle fat. I think you have to make sure you can absorb virtually all the fat which you eat.. I think it causes problems in the large intestine I read somewhere *shrug*.

This is pretty random but I remember a korean movie i saw about 5 years ago where a sick woman from the city was brought to a buddhist monk who lived in the wild and he'd make her drink green juice he made from using rocks to get the juice out of the greens.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0374546/

OMG I loved that film! "Spring, Summer, Autumn, Winter and Spring." Lol, it finished at 4am or something when I watched it >_< bleak times when the sun comes up and you've still not gone to bed. =/

Anyone going to say more...?

Why would the body have this detox function..? If someone got this 'in the wild' I'd think their survival chances would be pretty slim..?

I had last night, through the night and still have a proper fever.. The sort I used to get when I was <10yrs old and would have 'febrile convulsions' from. I've had like this each time after that raw hard white fat, but this time's been the worst...

How could the body know that it would need to produce more bile, if that is even the problem...

Couldn't I even give myself cancer if I kept doing this..?

Well, today it was the fat from some diced muscle meat. It wasn't 'marbled fat', or soft-fat, but solid chunks attached but separate to the meat. Very similar to how it is in diced-heart... I don't know what Suet actually means, but I've heard people describe mainly the fat around non-skeletal-muscle organs such as the heart/kidney as Suet. This fat does have a very similar texture to the heart-fat that I had similar problems with before. I also got this from lamb-fat too, that was fat separate from the meat but attached.. solid pieces. Maybe we're not 'supposed' to eat this kind, only the fat which is mixed in with the muscle or 'marbled' as I think it's referred to? =/ I think I even read somewhere that grass-fed beef from properly-matured cattle had more of this 'marbling'.