I think it is because that Blue Ice fermented cod liver oil contains mainly vitamin D2 rather than D3, but it's the vit D3 that we want.

This I KNOW for reals about from nephrologists.  D2 is the precursor to D3 so most people can do fine with D2 if their kidneys are working right - unless of course that relates to the clo issue.

The search for that quote continues!....

I got addicted to coffee when I was staying with a family in Spain. They were horrified that I didn't seem to be able to tolerate the stuff so made sure I got addicted by adding more and more to a cup of heated milk for me. The same thing happened with alcohol - I had to learn to tolerate it or I wouldn't be able to be social and learn - most of the social life was in the tapas bars and coffee and alcohol were pivotal - I couldn't refuse hospitality there and be seen as a really stupid snotty American!  It was part of trying to fit into the culture and "do what the Romans do". I went there strong and healthy and thin  but almost a year later when I left I was obese and depressed.

Coffee indeed works very much like sugar in the body Billy, releasing adrenalin which releases sugars. That's where the energy comes from. That's why coffee and alcohol are two sides of the same coin often - so much adrenalin in the evening needs to be repressed and alcohol is often used and alcohol also has sugars to keep the artificial blood sugars high enough not to collapse. It's like people trying to fine tune their brain chemistry with hammers and chisels!

In my house we call coffee "angry juice". There was a study where they gave rats coffee and if the rats were living alone there was little difference in their behavior, but if they put them together in a cage and gave them all coffee all hell broke loose and they would try to kill one another. Coffee if nothing else makes one nerves short and attitudes grumpy.

Do you know why they call coffee "jo" in America - it was because during world war 2 it was so important to the soldiers (GI Joes). There was almost no coffee in Germany during the war so the Americans dropped tiny packages of coffee into Germany to torture them.

Coffee is considered imperative to win wars in the modern world - even corporate wars. Americans drink more coffee and work more hours than most other western nations - yet don't get any more done - often less.

Entire nations on coffee and alcohol and sugar - the legal and most popular drugs. I personally think that these substances affect our world so deeply in ways that we can't even begin to be aware of so much that if we were somehow able to eradicate them (and now all the other chemicals related to them that are so new) everything would organically change so radically that we wouldn't even recognize our world - with nothing else being different.

    Not paleo, but I just drank some A2 raw unhomogenized local grass fed milk.

    I can hardly wait to try turkey eggs, maybe I should get turkeys instead of chickens or duck ..

Turkeys really can fly, want to roost way up high in trees and are BIG. They can be a lot to handle for some - so I hear anyway.

It's supposed to be the opposite from my research, Dorothy. If you eat Vitamin A without D, it can be highly toxic in large doses, but with synergistic Vitamin D, you can eat a lot and receive the full benefits.

I bet I'm remembering it wrong Zym - thanks for the correction - but now it is really bugging me why they said that cod-liver oil is not the way to get vitamin D! and I'm going to have to go searching. That's probably going to be hard to find with all the research we did.... but I just gotsta know now!

Let me put it this way:
In modern times people are overweight, sugar-addicted, white bread addicted, gluten intolerant, lactose intolerant, diabetic, alcoholic, caffeine addicted, depressive, aggressive, and generally function on a cocktail of weight control pills, sleeping pills, antidepressants and litres of coffee. Its ruining the human culture, and it has a everything to do with diet. How about the heavy metals, hundreds of toxic pesticides, artificial sweeteners, food additives, colourings and preservatives that routinely kill mice in the labs but somehow find their way into EVERY food staple in the SAD diet?
I don't call it being obsessed, its trying to survive relatively sane. The ancestors were damn lucky not to have to worry about this kind of thing.
Cheers

Oh yeah, then there's that too Billy.
Well said.

We got a bunch of Standard Process stuff - supposed to be the best - the WAPF folks seem to be really into that brand - then realized that they had stearates in them. I was shocked - never even thought to ask because they are  supposed to be whole food and nothing else. When I took hubbie off all stearates in supplements it helped him a bunch. Don't know if Dr. Ron's is like Standard Process - but just make sure the supplement doesn't have any kind of stearate in it as you might be reacting to that and not the actual food.

It would have never occurred to me to add tomatoes to a milkshake! But hey - cream of tomato soup right? Tomatoes and fat go together beautifully I think. I almost never eat tomatoes without some kind of fat. Avocado is the usual, but when I make my raw tomato soups (kinda like a veggie smoothie) I will usually add the Italian seasonings which include some olive oil. Now you have me wanting to make THAT! 

When hubbie was researching vit D he came across something that indicated getting your vit D from cod liver oil did not work because something prevented the D from being absorbed, but now for the life of me I can't remember the details. I wouldn't depend on the cod liver oil for your D.

When does interest and fascination become obsession and when does it become negative? I tend to delve into a subject with intensity, to learn, to explore in attempts to make my life more full - better - or just enjoy the pursuit. I've done this on many subjects over the course of my lifetime and things that I was "obsessed with" 20 or 30 or more years ago and dropped entirely still nourish me and enhance my life. If you have never been so into an exploration that it didn't run away with much of your thoughts and get you so excited that you wanted run with it as much and as often as possible - I highly suggest you find something that opens yours heart and your eyes to that degree and try flying with it.

Most of the people that stand out in history, the arts,science and most great human accomplishments were the ones that found what obsessed them the most the earliest in life so that they could spend the amount of time and energy necessary to go all the way on one subject. I think they are some of the luckiest people in the world.
   

Mixing in butter to ground beef you don't need to melt it and sitting on top of other meat true - not all that appetizing.

Here's a suggestion for you - I like to make fat sauces. If you put egg yolk mixed with butter and seasoning and dip your meat into it - it's very yummy and a great transition fat food. If you are fat deprived you are probably also deprived of other nutrients so...... have you been able to try scooping out marrow yet? If you haven't, oh boy, you are in for a treat. I used to want butter on everything, but marrow is like a million times better.... at least that's what I'm feeling these days.

Welcome and best of luck with your transition!

If there was a transitioning forum maybe my husband would join. Not everyone can or wants to jump right in but is open.

As for the vegetarian raw animal foods and vegan section - I think KD is right and it would have to be it's own separate forum accepting it as what it is with strict moderation to not mess around elsewhere or do some animal rights or spiritually superiority shenanigans. I would enjoy such a forum as before trying to help my husband I was loving eating my raw vegan diet with raw eggs yolks, dairy and some fish every long once in a while with the vast majority of my diet usually plant-based. I think that seems to be where I will probably be heading almost back to eventually except that a small amount of meat and marrow seem to have taken the place of raw dairy. But first priority is to get hubbie really established on raw meat-based paleo.  My body is still being drawn to eating basically what I did on a raw vegetarian diet with some new options and here is the only place I can learn about those new options that I could find and I want to learn more about fish and meat even more so for my husband's transition to a more standard meat-based raw paleo diet. I can't be the only person who's body likes a primarily plant-based diet but who wants to know and is open-minded about all raw options available. Maybe the section should NOT be vegan, "but raw paleo vegetarian" - meaning all degrees of vegetarian from vegan up to ovo, lacto, pesco vegetarianism? I betcha that many that eat meat once a week or once a month or even once every three months might (odd as it seems) still consider themselves to be (or be perceived to be) vegetarians. It would be a safe place to come and explore the ideas of trying out raw eggs, milk and fish - and perhaps a place of more gentle consideration for the first most difficult steps and changes of perception.

I can understand fully Eve's desire to keep the forum's purpose pure. I guess it depends on if the moderators want to pull in more members and make the forum more active or not.... and if a good moderator (with the time) could be found.

I still like yuk-yuk the best. That's what I'm going to call sweet potatoes from now on!
But I eat the greens of my "yams" instead of the tubers - raw. They are a fabulous green for the summers here when few other greens can live through the heat and they really grow like weeds. I was thinking of starting all over my yard for the greens because they are so cheap and easy to start and maintain without much if any extra water - but also - just in case I ever get desperate.