Does anyone have an estimate of the total amount of paleolithic humanoid bones that been discovered? Say, at least 10-12k years old back to our supposed separation from the apes at 5-7 million years of age.

This could be by weight

Or by space taken up - for instance, would the total amount fit on a kitchen table, in a bedroom, a basement, etc...

Are there more dinosaur bones than early-man bones? To what degree?

How do the amount of bones compare to other animals of the same time period?

I would like to propose a hypothetical scenario in hopes of getting on information about root causes of well being.

Before I begin let me define God as simply an all-knowing existence. He does not have to exist outside this thread, simply that by definition everything he says is right. You can picture him any way you want, as this definition is not meant to be the subject of the thread.

Lets say God comes to you and tells you he will guide you the way the rest of your life providing your every meal for you and that because of this you are promised to be as close to optimal physical health as possible. You will still have to consume the food but you will never have to question what you are doing. There will be a complete absence of worrying about whether or not what you are doing is correct.

This does not necessarily mean you will physically feel great right away. You will eliminate nasties, say kidney stones or whatever as time goes on but eventually your body will be in its most optimal state. You might have to endure fasting, terribly tasting high meat, protocols to remove toxins in the body, whatever, it doesn't matter except that whatever was recommended would work as best as it possibly could.

Also, God would only be able to provide you with dietary advice. You'd still have to get laid on your own.

After God has entered your life, what would you do? Would you be any happier than you are now? What would you do then that you could not do today?

Assumption - A properly administered ketogenic diet will remove nearly all seizures from nearly all epileptic children.

For me, this is the best evidence we have that a diet high in animal fats is indeed correct and most likely optimal for humans. No other diet can even come close to matching the efficacy of ketogenic diets have with obliterating epilepsy.

Unfortunately, the way these diets are normally administered is quite improper - nothing is raw and vegetable oils seem to make up a decent part as well as quite a bit of cheating going on for sure and there are significant (2-6%) amount of kids that get kidney stones.

I was wondering if someone could make an argument that the fact that ketogenic diets work so well for epileptics does not imply that they should work so well for the rest of humans. Are epileptics really that much of a fluke that some non-natural diet provides such an enormous relief of symptoms could somehow not translate to optimality for the rest of us? I really don't think so.

Simply put - the ketogenic diet is 80-95 percent fat with the rest protein and little to no carbohydrate. Also interesting is that kids will still do well with such little protein in their diet, the most anabolic period of their lives.

Here are some links of experiments for further reading

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20132287
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17621514
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19596731
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17621514

There hasn't been too much discussion on sun exposure. It seems sunlight would be an extremely paleo thing to do so since we were spending all day, every day in the sun.

Many modern paleos recommend sunlight obviously but I'm wondering if the small amount that is generally recommended is anywhere near enough. I would assume that a couple hours of full-body sun exposure to be the bare minimum even for those with fairly light skin and that perhaps all day would be optimal for all of us. This would especially be true in summer time like it is for nearly everyone on this site. When I speak of all day full-body exposure, this accounts for appropriate time spent in the shade (whatever this is). Perhaps someone has some knowledge of indigenous cultures around the world and what they do for sun exposure.

I'm thinking sun exposure could be a bigger piece of the puzzle to good health than what might be assumed by reading through the posts here. Maybe not, but I am trying to spend significant time out in the sun and am just about to buy a speedo and bring lots of my work outside so I can stay even more time out in the sun. I very rarely feel "bad" when I'm outside during the day as almost all my sour moments occur indoors. Hopefully I can build up to all day sun exposure. I already have a very good tan (mediteranean blood) and haven't burned yet with no sunscreen of any kind.

Does anyone here have experience with spending lots of time exposed to the sun for months at a time on rpd?

Can anyone confirm whether or not fruitarians recommend insane amounts of sun exposure? Perhaps the sun is a big factor in them remaining functional.

Could sun exposure be significantly different with all the new pollutants in the atmosphere?

There clearly is an adaption period for people with light skin but I'm guessing once this takes place (which could take several months of constantly increasing daily sun) that they too will eventually get to a point where all day full-body sun exposure is health promoting. I'm also guessing that the less sunlight one gets the more meat needs to be a part of the diet.

I find it quite hard to stay outside as it does get boring away from my computer but hopefully I can settle in

Well that was tl;dr...back outside for the last couple hours of daylight.

I'm trying to get a sense of what the general feeling is for raw foods vs cooked and so I propose the following hypothetical scenario.

Say you had to choose right now for the rest of your life between a completely cooked version of the diet you are following now and and a 100% raw non-animal food diet (RV), which would you choose?

Now the question I am asking for the poll is, that if you would choose the cooked paleo (CP) version then at what point would you change your vote as the percentage of raw animal foods increases as an addition to the RV diet.  Assume that the raw non-animal food diet is high carb, low fat and protein.

For instance, if you vote 25%, then this means that you would choose your 100% cooked paleo food diet over a 100% RV diet and a 90% RV, 10% Animal foods diet. So, I am asking for the point where your vote changes, not your optimal percentage of animal foods, which for most would be 80+ percent.

I realize there are issues stemming from people eating pretty variable amounts of animal foods here but I don't think it will skew the results that much. If you do eat less than 50% of calories from animal foods, please indicate so.

Also, assume that on the cooked paleo diet that fruits would be eaten raw.

So, what do you guys think the odds are that the Big Bang Theory as it is now is not on the right track. Basically that an alternative cosmology, creationist, crack-potter or not yet thought of theory are better. What is the probability of BBT being significantly wrong?

Although I haven't experienced success with raw paleo, I still think it would be wonderful for there to be a bit more of a public interest in it.  I see nothing better in this world than to help others feel better and its unfortunate that raw paleo is so completely buried, especially for those that live in the USA. Starting a bunch of blogs could help push us towards a tipping point of sorts where we could get more mainstream attention.
I just started one yesterday - www.steakaholic.com

I just read through an interesting article in the Pennsylvania Gazette about the history of fermented beverages.  Thanks to a man named Patrick McGovern, who has researched the trail of ancient wines and beers for more than two decades, we know the first traces of alcohol go as far back as 9000 years ago. Alcohol might have been more important than bread at the beginning of civilization and been even more influential towards humans experimental choices for which grains to select.

He thinks that chewing might have played a role in transforming the starches into sugar. Also, fermented beverages are a substantial improvement over the unprocessed cereal grains. Alcoholic beverage are found in every corner of antiquity except for the poles. Even in North America where there isn't direct evidence of alcohol consumption, there is evidence of fermentation of a plant stalk that is a precursor to corn.

They even reverse engineered some beer/wine out of the Turkish grain saffron and some ancient grapes and still have some available.

McGovern does not say that beer and wine were the only cause for civilization but its quite interesting that there is evidence that alcohol appeared at just about the same time as civilization.

How long do you guys expect to live? and what do you think will be the cause of your demise?

If you come from several generations of rpd'ers could your lifespan be indefinite?

Below is the transcript of part of the 'sex' thread that got derailed. Here are the three last posts relevant to whether we can get energy from water. I posted a youtbue video that makes it very clear to me that water could be potentially useful as a fuel. It's from a local fox tv affiliate. The anchormen don't seem all that impressed somehow. There are several other videos that go on about a similar process. If this was real my reaction would be quite different and I wouldn't be able to say wtf fast enough.

So, alpha thinks its clearly a scam and rooney thinks its cleaerly not. Perhaps others can chime in.

If this is true then our energy worries are a thing of the past. I've also seen a bit about one of Tesla's projects that never made it to completion about getting energy directly from the surface of the earth and that everyone would have free energy. I don't know if I'm ever awake anymore. I can never tell who to believe. Life seems like a scam.



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But apparently you can easily get energy from water. This must be a scam right. Seriously, I don't get how this stuff makes it on the news. It is so extremely convincing to my ignorant mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Rb_rDkwGnU


Also if this doent work, why cant we ues all that extra millions(billions?) of pounds of fat we throw away each year from grain fed critters?



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This is unfortunately just a scam.

There is absolutely no useful energy in water. People who claim using water as fuel readily violate the first and second principles of thermodynamics. Really absurd and ridiculous.

Water is precisely one of the two end products with carbon dioxide of fat oxidation in mitochondria of animal cells. At this stage no more energy is available in it for the animal and it is excreted in the form of urine, sweat, breathing ...

Similarly water is precisely one of the two end products with carbon dioxide of gasoline or petrol burning in cars or airplanes . At this stage no more energy is available in it for the propulsion and it is expelled in the form of water vapor.

Only plants with their green chlorophyll pigment are capable to do the reverse and use the incoming energy from sun light to convert again water and carbon dioxide into complex molecules with useful energy for animals either in the form of fatty acids or carbohydrates in fresh plant matter for immediate use or when this plant matter is left in appropriate conditions over geologic times for delayed use as oil.

As to the grainfed critters, their fat is from an energetic point of view essentially just a part of the oil needed to grow the grain and  to raise them. Typically one barril of oil per fattened animal (beef). No more oil, no more grain, no more fat from critters.  


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Post by roony


erm water is one of the most powerful forces on the planet ...

look up victor schauberger

you can most definitely use water to power cars, engines etc., unless you think steam violates some thermodynamic principle lol ....

Water is one of the few substances on the planet, which exists in ALL 3 states at the same time, water, gas & solid



Sorry but science doesnt have a clue about how water works, you can use water to power just about anything, as its a natural generator of electricity ... google kelvin dropper for some mind blowing REAL science

Water also generates magnetism & gravity naturally

All proven & verifiable experimentally in the lab

Modern science is a sick joke



Clean grow your own fuel in the living room is the future, you can take your barrels of oil & bury them back in the hole ....  

Here’s my story- I put the cliff notes at the bottom if you want to skip down

I'm not entirely ready to start my journey again but want to get my thoughts out in the open so here I go. I recently finished a 30 day stay at a rehab for gambling and alcohol and have temporarily moved in with some relatives to get away from my old ways for the time being as a half-way house of sorts. I am not sure how long I will be here but I am committed to recovery and will likely stay until I have found a job or other suitable living conditions where I can more effectively live my life.

I was playing poker professionally which was working out well for the most part financially but unfortunately I could not handle the constant stress and the horrific gut-wrenching pain that necessarily came with losing.  I can get into more details if anyone cares and probably will in the future. For now I just want to put myself in position to feel good again.

I began changing my diet a year ago last August after I haphazardly decided to read GCBC, which turned out to be one of the best things I had ever done. Nearly every single aspect of my life changed for the better and I can't extend enough gratitude to Gary Taubes for writing the book.

Ever since I was 13-14, I began to feel tired, unmotivated and slowly more depressed. I had some good years at the end of college where I came out of my introverted self a bit and cracked my insecure shell but this seemed to vanish when I went to grad school. Grad school was one of the worst parts of my life and where my depression really got a hold of me. It seemed like I was tired every day and constantly had no energy for anything that I wanted to do. I played sports all my life and found myself gasping for air nearly every time I played well before anyone would need a break. I’ve never been overweight my entire life.
Everyone would tell me how lazy I was and I was told constantly how tired I looked. I really believed I was just lazy and had to will myself to achieve more. During grad school I went to see several doctors, none of whom impressed me and several of which gave me diagnoses that were completely opposite from the last. I did 2 sleep studies, which for the first supposedly said I had sleep apnea though I never met with the physician who diagnosed me. I went to three different ear, nose and throat doctors whom two told me I didn’t have sleep apnea and one said I did. I went to a cardiologist and did a stress test which didn’t do much and then finally to a pulmonologist who said I should see a psychiatrist. It never occurred to me that I might be depressed during this time. I had been complaining about lack of energy to doctors of years now with nothing good ever coming from it.

With my degree being in statistics I was increasing more upset at the way the medical professionals were handling me. I couldn’t understand how they could treat me or give me proper diagnoses by talking to me for at most 10 minutes and then taking a few blood tests.  At the time I thought how I would never ever treat my patients like they did to me.

Not once did a doctor tell me to give up sweets or juices or even mention diet in the first place. I had no idea that diet played a role in anything. I suppose you could argue that it should be obvious but when everyone else is eating whatever they want and have seemingly endless amounts of energy even, much more so than me, even my 80+ year old grandma then you don’t really think about these things.

The pain from being so tired during the day and not being able to sleep is truly infuriating. I found relief when a friend of mine gave me some adderall one night. I felt alive for the first time post elementary school. The euphoria and energy running through my body was unbelievably amazing. I didn’t know a human could feel so good. I didn’t want to have another day without this glorious feeling. I felt complete; my body ran extremely well on it.

The effects, of course, were temporary and I would only take it at night but I made sure not to take it to many nights in a row as to not form a tolerance or get an addiction.

I started to taking some anti-depressants as time went on which helped a bit but never stayed on them.  It wasn’t till last August 2008, 2 full years after I completed grad school that I read GCBC. The book made such an enormous impression on me that I changed my diet immediately. Steak had always been my favorite food, especially the rim fat and so I was excited that I had a chance to eat it all the time. Before changing, I also cannot remember having much if any solid stools over the past 5 years. They were also extremely painful at times and I bled often. I had also begun urinating more frequently as well. By the end of the first week of VLC, I was having solid stools again and energy was soaring. Also the multiple headaches I was getting every week completely vanished as well. Luckily, I had little to no transitional symptoms, except for a small craving for carbs which went away for the most part after the first couple weeks. I attribute this mainly to my youth being 27 when I started the diet.

I kept the diet up, though I would still drink heavily on occasion about every couple weeks. I did manage at the beginning to go out several times with my drinking friends and not buy one drink. This had never happened in the past 6 years or so since I had been hitting the bars. My confidence was soaring as well and I even managed to pick up a girl completely sober for the first time.

Unfortunately the pattern of drinking to excess on occasion turned to drinking several times during the week, which led to breaking my diet more and more and eventually to a full blown “relapse”.  I see this relapse as no different as any other drug or process addiction relapse.  I continued my drinking binge all the way until rehab last month. I was looking for an excuse to stop drinking but couldn’t stop myself from drinking. I was having too much fun and could not stop on my own.

Even though I continued to eat mainly meat my energy levels and mood began decreasing and became near unmanageable when I went to Europe for 7 weeks this past July and August when I ate lots of carbs.  The rehab facility wouldn’t allow for outside food to be brought in so I had eat their food which tasted great but was quite carby as well, but I was away from poker and alcohol so my mood improved a decent amount while I was there.

Now, I’m out and free and able to have the freedom to eat what I want and am slowly easing my way back into my diet.  I began my journey last year eating fully cooked grain-fed meats along with eggs, cheeses, occasional yogurts, home-made ice creams and a few veggies and fruits now and then. I slowly started eating more and more raw and when I found this site I tried to eat raw as much as possible.  I followed the zc forum for a while but had lots of issues with the mentality though I agreed with almost all their dietary information and am very thankful for this site which seems to have much more in-depth information on many more issues.

I am interested in becoming as healthy as I can through all means not just diet even though diet probably composes >80 percent of this. Even though I like to think myself as objective and willing to be as unbiased and as open as I can, I really want this diet to work and have some serious emotional attachment to it since it pretty much saved my life. I love reading the threads here and getting as much information as I can about how I can improve myself and hopefully will be starting to implement several of these things as possible when I get more settled in. I really respect the posters here and enjoy the open discussions and look forward to participating and learning along with everyone else.

So, here I am – 28 year old male 5’11 about 188. I do enjoy lifting weights and since I plan on eventually moving down to no vegetation, I will want to test whether or not I can play high intensity sports like soccer/basketball. I ate a couple pounds of raw grain-fed beef the yesterday and will have about the same amount today. I am having trouble asserting myself to the people I am staying with about the way I feel about food and consequently have eaten a decent amount of cooked carbs the last week with horrible results. I get so tired so quickly it’s unreal.  



Cliff notes

Since 13 I have begun to feel more and more tired leading me to being very depressed and along the way accumulated numerous other smaller health problems. Last year after reading GCBC I changed my diet which completely reinvigorated me into someone that finally felt human. Unfortunately I still drank which lead to a “relapse” where I was feeling very tired again with decreasing health. Now, after spending a month in rehab I’m ready to embark on my journey again to good health.


Comments and suggestions are greatly appreciated-thanks:)