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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Liquified Ketogenic Diet
« on: June 21, 2015, 10:50:36 pm »
Thanks eveheart for the response. I am going to be doing lots of experimenting in the future trying different combinations to find out what works and will try all of the fats you listed.

My dad had not eaten for about a week (which could be a good thing as starvation is actually quite beneficial) as he had lost his ability to swallow and the medical team was determining how to correctly feed him. They move incredibly slow but that is another story. My dad finally was given a formula yesterday which consisted of the following garbage. (Image from my cell phone)

If you can't read that - the first two ingredients after water are corn syrup and canola oil. They actually have healthier organic blends but of course we were not even made aware of them until much later. I had the nurses setup an appointment for me to meet with the nutritionist to talk about administering a ketogenic diet. I am normally a fairly passive person but my encounter with the nutritionist was anything but that. I made my own keto blend (consisting of broth, coconut and olive oil, animal and plant protein powders and juiced fruit and veg) and desired the extremely simple task of filling their feeding bag up with my blend. It would perhaps take me all of 30 seconds to open the bag and empty my blend into the bag.

The nutritionist at first offered me the organic blends which I of course rejected as they are non-ketogenic blends and said that was the best they could do because of their 'policy'. I then told her that she needs to do whatever it takes for me to sign consent legally to administer my formula to my dying father. I am not sure why this is such a big deal to them. I am the paying customer paying 10k per day to stay in this overpriced hotel. I pay you. You help me out. Its simple. She finally escalated my demands to the head nutritionist who attempted to debate some of the science on cancer metabolism and ketogenic diets. He lost but I wanted to steer the situation away from a debate and towards administration as at this point the science is meaningless. I just want to try this approach. Perhaps a turning point was when I shifted the talk from cancer to epilepsy in children which ketogenic diets show almost complete remission of symptoms if followed properly. I then talked about how this diet is not a cure at all and how I am merely attempting to shift the probabilities slightly in my dad's favor. I think this started to click with him as he was less likely to debate the specifics any more.

We finally settled on agreeing to administer Ketocal to him beginning on Monday. Ketocal is a commercial product (made of terrible ingredients) that induces ketosis due to its ratio of fat to carbs. This was a small victory I suppose. Throughout the whole process I had to be extremely aggressive and forceful and stepped way out of my comfort zone to advocate for my father. Seems like individualized care is just not in their playbook. They just check boxes and move on. I will spending lots more time at the hospital and will attempt to advocate much more for anything possible.

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Liquified Ketogenic Diet
« on: June 18, 2015, 12:04:09 pm »
Alive, all the major treatments (surgery, radiation and chemotherapy) have shown significant clinical efficacy. Immunotherapy has caught fire lately and now 'metabolic' therapy which is what I am targeting in addition to the big three for my dad. I am not going to debate conventional therapy in this thread. I'm sure there are dozens of other threads for that. So, given that my dad is getting standard treatment I want to fuel him with a ketogenic diet. He's being fed with a tube right now so I need to make liquidify it. The oncologist actually was tentatively open to the idea and suggested I talk to the nutritionist about it so that is good news.

ATCP, yes I was thinking bone marrow should go down the tube easily and my dad was the first person to tell me how to eat bone marrow from the insides of chicken bones so it seems fitting to go that route. If you know of a specific way of melting animal fat and keeping it liquid at room temperature I'd be willing to listen.

I'm making some bone broth now and will be making my first batch of this keto solution tomorrow.

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Liquified Ketogenic Diet
« on: June 18, 2015, 03:44:21 am »
Hey all,

My dad has been very recently diagnosed with a rare form of brain cancer (T-cell lymphoma) and has very quickly degenerated from normal human functioning to ECOG performance status 4 (the most he can do is open his eyes) in only the span of one month. Chemo starts tonight.

My biggest contribution for my dad at this point would be to prepare a liquid ketogenic diet that could be easily administered through a feeding tube. Ketogenic diets have done wonders for epileptic children but have only now just begun to be studied more seriously for cancer with some early promising results. There is this awful formula called Ketocal for epileptic children which would be very easy to administer but is based on soy and other vegetable oils as its fats.  I'd like to think it would be easy to make a superior formula for my dad.

I am assuming the physical properties of the formula I am going to create must adhere to certain restrictions as so it can pass through the tube. I will be talking to a nutritionist soon about this. So far A simple formula will contain the following:

Bone broth
Some mix of Coconut/Palm/Olive oil
Protein powder (Great lakes gelatin and a beef/whey based powder)
Some greens and berries

It needs to contain at least 70% of calories from fat and at most 5% from carbs. Any other suggestions are appreciated.

Off Topic / Re: School killings
« on: January 14, 2013, 09:30:28 am »
raw-al, you are forgetting the massive other side of the coin. That being that we don't have an account for all the mass shootings that might have been prevented because of the efficacy of the psychotropic drugs. I'm actually surprised by the incredibly low prevalence of mass shootings (defined  as 4+ or more at one time) in the US being somewhere around 2-3 per year for the last 30 years.

This huge blind spot that is unmeasurable makes it very difficult to determine whether these drugs are causing any harm or actually helping to an enormous degree. I can go further and  say that perhaps the shooters you mention above that were these pyschotropic dugs killed less people than they would have where it not for the drugs. Maybe they would have gone into a football stadium or what not? This is obviously just pure speculation but the argument could be made.

As an extreme example, say in the future we invent a drug that will 100% stop mass shootings from occurring, only that it would take 5 days for the drug to kick in and that we could somehow identify every single person that would fit the profile of a person who would be a mass shooter before they became one. The only piece of information we would not have would be the time until the person committed the mass shooting. So, all the people we would identify as mass shooters would, with this drug, be prevented from becoming a mass shooter except for the people that were identified too late (< 5 days). So, inevitably some mass shootings would occur and all of these shooters would be on the drug. There would be a 100% correlation here and because of the absence of evidence of the mass shootings not happening, from an initial look at the data it would appear that the drug caused the mass shootings, but the exact opposite is happening.

Off Topic / Re: School killings
« on: December 21, 2012, 11:38:20 pm »
Theres also this other troubling idea I have with concealed carrying in that there could be a so called 'vaigra' effect where those carrying or more likely to find something to f*** up than those not carrying. I think there's a good chance that having a gun makes one more likely to find a reason to use it and then go back and justify those means. The killing of Trayvon Martin is perhaps a perfect example. I'm unclear of the details but the killer could have likely taken a different path to confront the teenager if he wasn't carrying. I cannot see how having a gun does not consciously or subconsciously change a person's actions when it comes to confrontations.

This story illustrates my point well -

Off Topic / Re: School killings
« on: December 21, 2012, 12:25:24 pm »
The argument for killing in gun-free zones is interesting at first but what I think is important to consider is the actual fact whether or not normal law-abiding citizens pay attention to these laws. It might actually be in fact the opposite of what we would first think- that gun-free zones actually have more concealed carriers since the concealed carriers supposedly know that they are more at 'risk'.

I would be really interested in a poll of concealed carriers and how often they actually follow the laws of gun-free zones. I'd be surprised if there was any hard data collected on this but I don't think we can just assume that gun-free zones = no guns.

Just a few weeks ago in the oregon mall shooting a concealed carrier was amidst the gunfire in a gun-free zone, so we know this sort of thing does indeed happen. But how often?

Off Topic / Re: School killings
« on: December 20, 2012, 08:52:50 am »
I found this article that goes into some detail of what I was looking for. Apparently there was one incident in 1982 that a civilian killed an assailant but this was after the assailant had already fled on his bicycle(lol). Another incident in 2002 with fuzzy details -

Here is the article

Also in this article, a couple of really bad incidents for civilians who tried to play hero.

Also, with that rambo gramps in the internet cafe. It looked like he missed the assailant from around 10 feet(just read he did hit them. Apparently one bullet wasn't enough). Also the assailant, with his gun, did not even return fire. I think I read somewhere that the assailant might not have had a real gun or bullets. Makes sense since his buddy had a bat, and he didn't even think to return fire. This could have easily ended very badly for gramps and the other patrons.

Off Topic / Re: School killings
« on: December 20, 2012, 08:05:31 am »
I teach high school and if I heard gun shots and knew they were gun shots I would run for the closest of the many exits in the school and tell my students to do the same.

If I was armed with a handgun...I would run to the closest exit and wait for police.

If I was armed with a handgun and bullet-proof vest...I would run...

If 10 other teachers were armed with vests....I would run...

If every other teacher was armed with a machine gun with vests I would run...

If I had a minianture one-man tank in my  classroom then I would probably try and take out the shooter.

Without very extensive combat training and back-up I am running. If I was armed and did have elementary aged kids I suppose I would lock myself down with the kids and attempt to barricade the door but if there is an exit nearby I might tell the kids to use the run strategy as well.

Again, how many  civilians have even taken a shot at a shooter during a mass killing spree?

Off Topic / Re: School killings
« on: December 19, 2012, 09:43:18 pm »
If Americans have by far the most guns then why hasn't one mass killer been killed by a civilian? Has any mass shooter even been shot at? Gun nuts keep insisting that more guns would have stopped these massacres or at least reduced the number of killings. What the gun nuts never point out are all the times that concealed carriers have been at the scene and simply fled or hid like everyone else and waited for the cops and never reported to anyone that they had a gun. This silent evidence will never be recorded.

Hot Topics / Re: Ray Peat podcast...interesting!
« on: April 07, 2012, 08:46:33 am »
Peat also has no known age. He apparently finished his phd in 1972 making him at least mid 60s though he sounds like he's in his early 100's. I'm not sure anyone could identify him if he were in a lineup of fellow centenarians. 

Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Today's workout?
« on: January 27, 2012, 06:10:41 am »
lol curlz... I can confirm KD has some pretty sweet gunz. z

Off Topic / Re: Ron Paul for President of the USA
« on: December 27, 2011, 11:50:25 am »
Gary Johnson

Instincto / Anopsology / Re: Is it dangerous to eat too much meat?
« on: December 22, 2011, 10:20:39 pm »
Post deleted in accord between global moderators  because it contained insults to one of our members. Paleo Donk is kindly invited not to post here again.

Could a moderator PM me and let me know why this post was deleted?

Instincto / Anopsology / Re: Is it dangerous to eat too much meat?
« on: December 12, 2011, 02:06:28 am »
Post deleted in accord between global moderators  because it contained insults to one of our members. Paleo Donk is kindly invited not to post here again.

Instincto / Anopsology / Re: Is it dangerous to eat too much meat?
« on: December 11, 2011, 06:55:51 am »
Post deleted in agreement between global moderators because it was an insult to people practicing instinctive raw paleo nutrition. 


Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Pullin' a 556lb Deadlift weighing 157...
« on: December 03, 2011, 12:25:37 am »
Well done, though the fullness, heaviness and darkness of your beard is more impressive. Danny Roddy would be impressed.

Do you have the link to the durianrider deadlift?

It might be more impressive that a fruitarian can deadlift his bodyweight than a raw paleo deadlifting 3x.

Instincto / Anopsology / Re: Is it dangerous to eat too much meat?
« on: November 27, 2011, 08:57:12 am »
For example: This exact example does not matter, its simply trying to show as an exercise in thought of what might happen to your internal survival systems when on the instincto diet

In this example when the word "I" is used, it will represent the brain speaking.

When I use "Iguana", it will be Iguanas body, senses, emotions and so forth (the end result of the messages the brain is sending

Whenever you have had avocados for 4 days straight, your brain is thinking "damn, I know these avocados are giving me some pleasure and survival, I don't need to keep sending in spikes of dopamine and glutamine to let Iguana know that these avocados are keeping him alive. I don't have to keep the senses heightened through taste and smell anymore. I can relax them, since I know that Iguana is safe.

Now after 4 days and the survival systems are calmed down and food is relatively bland tasting and there is no dopamine kick anymore Iguana will perhaps come across a piece of salmon.

When Iguana sees this salmon his brain will say, "damn, what is this salmon, it is quite different than those avocados. This salmon could provide a much needed source of nutrition if avocados become scarce. This salmon is calorie dense and full of protein and other great sources of nutrition. Let me make sure that Iguana knows that this salmon is very important for survival. I will now heighten his senses both taste and smell and give him a nice shot of dopamine (which makes Iguana feel good) and a shot of glutamine (which makes Iguana remember) so that  Iguana can survive optimally.

Now Iguana thinks that salmon has some important nutrients that were missing from the avocado but in reality its really the hedonic system that is deeply embedded in all of us that is alerting the organism(Iguana) that a particular food is going to keep him alive longer.

Eventually the salmon will no longer provide the same dopamine kick and the glutamine will not be needed as it is stored in memory for the time being. The senses become less heightened and return to normal until the next food comes along and the pattern repeats ad infinitum.

Please feel free to rebut this argument

Instincto / Anopsology / Re: Is it dangerous to eat too much meat?
« on: November 27, 2011, 08:38:01 am »
For example, last night I felt that I ate a bit too much fruits (much latter after my dinner including mutton). So today for lunch I was somewhat repealed by all sweet fruits and I ate a lot of scallops instead, plus two avocados.
Of course you got to use your intellect too, if only to avoid as much as possible the most artificially selected fruits – and above all to understand the theory! Instinctive nutrition doesn’t mean that you have to behave idiotically  ;) ! Quite on the opposite, you need all your intelligence to practice it correctly in this so called civilized world. Instinct and intelligence are not antagonists!

Have you ever considered the fact that when you get 'tired' of a particular food you are simply listening to your internal hedonic system crying out for a different experience - something new, different, exciting to the pleasurable senses and absolutely nothing to do with whether or not a particular food is the most 'optimally nutrient dense'.

Its as though your survival systems have been kicked into high gear by the fact that their are a multitude of different options for nutrition.  Your hedonic system gets an overload of sensory imputs from the selections and simply chooses that new food that gives it the most pleasure.

This is very similar to having sex with a very healthy breasted women for a few weeks at a time before tiring of her and subsequently going to a bar and picking out another woman for another few weeks or months (whichever time period is working at the moment). It will always appear that the new woman is more satisfying than the last but it doesn't mean that she offers any real advantage to your happiness - she is simply appealing to your deeply hardened survival mechanisms and seed spreading that is inherent in all of us.

Going from food to food instincto style could be no different than going from woman to woman. Our attachment to food is similar to that of sex and we will get messages from the brain through taste/smell that will alert us that a particular food will keep us alive longer just like a new woman will help spread our genes further and further.

Unfortunately I think that neither strategy (changing from woman to woman or from food to food) will provide further happiness or health than simply sticking to more or less similar food and woman combinations for a lifetime.

Essentially instinctos chasing after different more appealing fruits are not very different than sex addicts going from one woman to the next once tiring of the current woman. No different than drug addicts going from one drug to another. Well perhaps different in the fact that this addiction is not going to lead to overdose but it does lead to denial, defensiveness, guruness and expertness and unwillingness to change.

Instincto / Anopsology / Re: Is it dangerous to eat too much meat?
« on: November 27, 2011, 04:07:50 am »
Ugh, chances are high that this diet could result in death in the very very long-run.


What can I do if I want to be able to climb small hills up to and beyond the age of 100 like TD will?

Instincto / Anopsology / Re: Is it dangerous to eat too much meat?
« on: November 27, 2011, 04:06:51 am »
  You are a fool, you know.

You spend all your time with dieting and your most deleterious health issue is right here.

Instincto / Anopsology / Re: Is it dangerous to eat too much meat?
« on: November 26, 2011, 09:04:19 am »
Hi guys,

If I switched my diet regime from 100% domesticated animal products to a split 0f 29/71 (domesticated/wild) while diminishing my total intake of animal product from 77% to 42% and upping my wild fruit intake from 5% to 48% how much can I expect my life to improve?

What if I went down to 0% for domesticated animal product except for the occasional goat heart?

Hot Topics / Total amount of paleolithic bones discovered
« on: November 24, 2011, 04:40:40 am »
Does anyone have an estimate of the total amount of paleolithic humanoid bones that been discovered? Say, at least 10-12k years old back to our supposed separation from the apes at 5-7 million years of age.

This could be by weight

Or by space taken up - for instance, would the total amount fit on a kitchen table, in a bedroom, a basement, etc...

Are there more dinosaur bones than early-man bones? To what degree?

How do the amount of bones compare to other animals of the same time period?

Journals / Re: A day in the life of TylerDurden
« on: November 19, 2011, 03:25:24 am »
The last time I bought some raw wild game, I had one of the butchers ask me how I cooked the meats, as they occasionally do. I rarely have the guts to state that I eat it raw, so I just stand there, usually, quite speechless. The trouble is that if I'm honest, then that just causes more problems.

Welcoming Committee / Re: Getting back into the swing of things
« on: April 05, 2011, 06:09:33 am »
Your story has some similarities with mine. After quitting raw-paleo (around a year ago myself) my cravings for sweets were super-duper intense. Insanely bad - eating an 8oz jar of honey with one hand on the wheel and one hand in the jar on the way home from the store. Entire cakes and quarts of ice cream at a time. Stuffing donuts down until I felt sick,etc.............. I gained 20 pounds or so very fast and felt like I was in a giant whirlpool with nowhere to hold on to. Nothing seemed to make me feel full. I realized that much of the cravings were protective mechanisms to cover up depression and anxiety.

But, I have worked relatively hard on my depression and anxiety with the help of cognitive behavioral strategies and the like and over time the cravings have subsided quite a bit. They were pretty bad for about 9 months and then somehow I regained some ability to feel full again, which seemed like a lost skill.

I don't follow any diet whatsoever as of now and have done well disconnecting myself from the constant "oh noes" that would infiltrate my perfectionist mind if I were to slip diet wise during my raw adventure. Even when I was strictly raw I was still worrying all the time about whether or not I was doing it right. What really works for me is sitting down and going through the coping strategies and then acting on them. I have actually noticed my intense cravings go down just by working on them for a few minutes. Acknowledging the cravings and accepting them are my first priority and something as simple as lying down and doing some deep breathing for a few minutes will do wonders.

I have not lost nor gained weight the past few months but I don't have one eye on jack in the box milkshakes while driving anymore.

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