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Primal Diet / Re: Raw Unheated Honey
« on: January 01, 2011, 05:01:55 pm »
I eat stakich honey from

it's local to me so i buy it in person, the buckwheat antioxidant honey is fantastic

General Discussion / Re: Raw Glucose Source
« on: January 01, 2011, 03:49:49 pm »
mm I like Jonathon apples I find an incredible deal of them at a fruit and vegetable market so I get 3 10lb bags and store it in the fridge and when I finish them I restock

Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: eating animal fat
« on: January 01, 2011, 03:47:10 pm »
 placed a order with northstar bison for fat - just. However mary charged me $6.50/lb for it, that too frozen backfat (bison)

Hey cool, make sure not to eat it all in one day ..

Maybe they raised prices because they told me they were out of backfat for the entire year,then emailed me back and said they had some.

Health / Re: Need Help: Wife Gets LBM with Certain Types of Foods
« on: January 01, 2011, 06:26:14 am »
I ate some clams and oysters today and got some abdominal cramps.

Do you, soak the clams and oysters in high quality vinegar for her?

Sometimes I soak them, but usually I don't.

If local access to quality meats is limited in terms of variety, what suggestions are available as far as eating healthy with regards to meats?  Just eat the same meats everyday? Or is there some better option..

Health / Re: Need Help: Wife Gets LBM with Certain Types of Foods
« on: December 31, 2010, 04:51:39 pm »
Liver and clams are higher than most b-12 sources. eggs are good too, according to beef

Eating those foods cooked, even well done, is better than not eating them at all.

Another option is b-12 supplements or injections. Better than doing nothing.

A key thing here is to research what conditions the body needs to be in to properly absorb the b-12 from the food one eats. Sometimes if there is some other condition in the body that is not right (like a mineral or vitamin deficiency(other than b-12))  then all the b-12 in the world won't change b-12 levels.

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Smelly Poop from Veg?
« on: December 31, 2010, 04:44:53 pm »
When reintroducing new foods into a diet, often those foods are not digested totally, and can result in a bad smell. So eating mostly animal foods, and then reintroducing some plants can cause bad smells because the plants were not properly assimilated. Likewise, if you eat mostly plant foods, and then reintroduce some animal foods, you will also get a similar results. I know this because I have experienced this latter situation. Reading your situation of the opposite scenario reinforces the point that the new food is not digested properly and results in a bad smell.

Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: eating animal fat
« on: December 31, 2010, 04:14:25 pm »
bison back fat at

if you order it you have to ask them by email or phone it's not listed on the site it's $6/lb

Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: eating animal fat
« on: December 30, 2010, 06:10:44 pm »
I just got some fat online and it is soft, somewhat creamy, and tastes good. It is very filling. Raw animal fats are important for escorting toxins out of the body and providing lubrication to the body. It can also stabilize your energy levels.

Sometimes I find fat portions in meat cuts and there is connective tissue attached. That's never too pleasant because I have to chew one biteful for hours to break it down.

This fat that I ordered though has no connective tissue and is soft and chewy. Raw fat is good for you, provided it comes from a healthy source(i.e. healthy animal). Avocados are good sources of vegetable fats.

General Discussion / Re: Questions
« on: December 30, 2010, 05:59:48 pm »
I ate organic chicken meat with some of it's organs that I bought from the supermarket. I got food poisoning from it and took a large dose of high quality probiotics(finished the whole bottle in <8 doses spaced an hour or two apart) that helped me get well.

I don't recommend supermarket chicken, unless you can find chicken that is pasture raised, not fed soy, ....maybe some other qualifications.

Most available chicken is not a good idea because they are intensively farmed in horrible conditions, likely unclean, unhealthy environments. The typical "battery cage" scenario that you hear about, with ammonia fumes spreading throughout the factory. Some of these factories house millions of chickens in one building. Disgusting.

Now, there probably are some safe brands out there that you may find in a store.

Because I've tried the highest quality chicken in my local area I will not eat it unless I ordered it online , and it was a pasture raised animal.

Hot Topics / Re: Vegetable juice question
« on: December 30, 2010, 05:52:59 pm »
I like a veggie juice (celery, brussel sprouts, collard greens, kales, whatever greens or vegetables I DON'T generally eat) sometimes, maybe a couple of  glasses every 2 weeks

Well I made a order and received it today. I ordered some liver, a pancreas, a kidney, some hearts, and some back fat..all from bison.

I blended the liver in some raw milk and added honey, it tasted good.

The back fat was also very creamy, soft, and good. No connective tissue, which was nice. I haven't tried anything else. Other than the fat I'm gonna take it easy with the organs, maybe just once every 1.5 weeks or so.

I'd like to eat more of the fat but didn't get much so I'll probably try to make that last too, but not out of any nutritional reason.

Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Your experience with DATES?
« on: December 29, 2010, 10:04:47 am »
After reading Iguana's post about all the things that can be done to dates, I did a little research and sent some questions out to the main company that I see selling dates in all the stories. They are california mejdool dates. This is what he said:

Dear Bobby:

Our medjool dates are fumigated with PROFUME agricultural approved food

In addition, dependent upon the time of the year, the dates may have been
stored in freezer storage, but this measure is not to kill insects but to
preserve the dates freshness.

Our dates are never coated with glucose or any other substance.

Thank you for your kind inquiry.

I also contacted the Organic dried Figs that I find and they said they deep freeze their products for 14 days a time TWICE in order to kill pests. I assume they can't use other fumigants like the non organic fruits may have.

So is it the hay that's causing the fat to become more creamy, less yellow, or the type of animal? From their response it seems like it's the diet that's causing it.....

Maybe not. Sorry

General Discussion / Re: Questions
« on: December 28, 2010, 02:53:58 pm »

1)Why are some of you refusing to eat any plant food at all?
2)Are there some of you who do eat plant foods? What kind of percentage of meat versus vegies?
3)Are there some of you who have a concentration on plant foods (fruits and vegies) and then just add some meat?
4)Is the primary point to eat everything raw - including plant foods if those are eaten?
5)What is it about eating raw meat that is supposed to be so good for you? (This is probably the biggest question I have.)
I have been doing online searches and have come up with not very much at all about eating raw meat. 6)Is this guy named Anjulus or whatever, the only guru out there promoting raw meat or are there others that I could do a search on?
7)Are there any videos with interviews of people who have experienced a raw meat diet and gotten better (I found one.)

First I'd like to say that I do not follow a raw paleo diet exactly as it is guided. Sometimes I eat cooked starches or meats but I try to limit these as much as I can right now in a modern world.

To your questions,
1) I don't know. I eat plant foods a lot, especially vegetables.
2) There is not a specific ratio of plant:meat. I experience phases where I eat a higher meat percentage with few plant foods, and other times where I eat a low meat percentage and a higher plant percentage. Sometimes I try to avoid all foods altogether for a day or two, but generally eat some fruit during this time, or a few vegetables.

To elaborate further, I think Daniel Vitalis put it well with this diagram

He writes: "Where we eat on this scale is entirely up to us, and of course always in flux.  Rather than dogmatically polarizing ourselves to one extreme or the other, would it not be wiser to move along this scale based on our personal goals and the affects we are aiming to achieve?

If you have spent years on a vegetarian diet and have experienced a “failure to thrive”, it is animal foods that offer the chance to rebuild your body.  In particular it is wild animals or free ranging grass-fed domesticates that contain the nutrients required to refurbish a depleted body.

Conversely, if you have been on a Standard American Diet for some time, and are feeling the burden of the toxic load this so easily creates, a vegetarian and even raw food approach may be just the answer to cleanse your body of the environmental and industrial toxins that pollute our inner ecology.

More importantly, can we simply eat without judgment for one another? "

3) I think a concentration of plant foods with some added high quality meat can work for some. Personally, I find a bit more meat than that in the diet to be more satisfying and satiable. But I do eat in phases with different ratios of meat:plant foods, sometimes higher sometimes lower.

4) I don't think Everything should necessarily be eaten raw. However, if something is edible raw, then I think it should generally be eaten raw. Nutrients are more available(heat destroys nutrients), enzymes, bio photons or life energy exist within living foods(non cooked, non processed).

5) To answer that question let me tell you my diet prior to adding in raw animal foods. I was mostly raw vegetarian with some raw eggs and cooked meats/starches occasionally. When I came to the conclusion, through research online, that animal foods are important for health, I knew after all that I'd learned with the raw veganism that cooked foods aren't the answer. So how could I incorporate animal foods without cooking them? I was already eating raw I started eating other raw animal foods like beef and fish. I believe high quality is important when selecting these foods and I recommend freezing fish as I've found live worms in my fresh wild salmon before.

"Here is an online English version of Guy-Claude Burger's book "La Guerre du Cru/The War of Raw":-" ~TD

also, here is an article by Aajonus

He doesn't advocate raw paleo diet but his diet recommendations are closer to raw paleo than many other diets.

7)there are some videos of a forum member named goodsamaritan who has posted some videos on this forum somewhere. Other than that it was youtube.

Note: I have only been eating raw animal products(other than eggs) for about 7 months.

I emailed the supplier about why the fat is a creamy color and not yellow and this is what the response I got back was:

Thanks for the questions about our grass fed beef.  The most important part of raising great beef is keeping the animals gaining weight there entire life.  If an animal is raised on pure range pastures of low to good quality his entire life the fat will have a yellow color.  Also if an animal is put into a feed lot and fed a heavy diet of corn the fat will be snow white.  Our cattle our raised on very high quality grasses and hayledge their entire lifes.  So our fat won’t be yellow or white but should fall right in the middle.  We appreciate the business and the question~~

How do you interpret this, what exactly is causing the fat to become less yellow than a typical 'pure range pasture' would have?

General Discussion / Re: Drinking while eating?
« on: December 27, 2010, 12:17:32 pm »
I used to think that drinking water with food or immediately after was bad because it slows down digestion and makes it less efficient.

But I've learned some info. that our bodies use water to break down foods, particularly carbohydrates. Now whether this is true about proteins and fats I'm not sure, but if it is, it seems almost necessary to have some water with your meals in order to break down the foods properly, even if it dilutes stomach acids.

It's kind of a controversy between myself I can't yet figure out if one method is better than the other. Maybe they both play their roles, sometimes you should drink while eating, and sometimes not.

I think it has something to do with the hydrolysis of foods, that is breaking the foods up into its component parts by hydrolizing, or adding water to it. proteins to amino acids, fats to glycerols and fatty acids, carbohydrates to sugars. I've noticed since I've began drinking water with my meals again that my digestion is better

Survival is the only suitable morality. Besides, cannibalism was most definitely a characteristic of palaeolithic times, whereas urine therapy wasn't.

Let me ask you this, then. If you were at the target end of the cannabilism, would you still be ok with it?

Do you think it is morally permissible to eat another human being, even if there was a fair procedure like drawing straws to justify the end result? Although you said you would cheat, so maybe I got the answer to that already. What if you drew straws and you lost? And then you changed your mind about the straw game, would it be morally permissible for the rest of the passengers to take your life?

Or, what if one of the passengers consented to give their life up so you could feed on him, would it then be morally permissible to take his life?

Can you drink your own urine to hydrate yourself? How long would this technique extend your life? also how would you hydrate yourself if you were stuck on a lifeboat in the middle of the ocean?

General Discussion / Re: Eating fish skins?
« on: December 24, 2010, 03:27:21 pm »
Contrary to my last post in this thread about personally avoiding fish skins, today I ate salmon with the skin.
Whereas before I would eat the skin separately from the meat out of convenience, today I ate the skin with the meat. I did make sure to descale it very carefully. It tasted good! I will now start eating salmon with the skins, provided I don't get any nausea.

I think what made the difference this time was that I ate the skin with the meat instead of at a separate time. I was also very careful to not eat any scales, as I remember feeling nausea(Gag reflex) when some of the scales pieces were in my mouth.

Primal Diet / Re: What would AV say, re honey/teeth?
« on: December 23, 2010, 02:10:48 pm »
Always seemed a paradox to me that AV said large amounts of fruit was damaging to his teeth but that large amounts of unheated honey wasn't(which I implied by his recommendation of it).

When I eat unheated honey I try to make the effort to brush my teeth immediately afterwards. This deters me from eating honey altogether because brushing my teeth takes me 5 minutes or so, which can sometimes not be worth eating the honey in the first place.

Primal Diet / Re: Coconut cream vs coconut milk?
« on: December 23, 2010, 02:06:28 pm »
Well I tried juicing the coconut meat from mature brown coconut (2 of them) and made a fairly decent yield of coconut cream that tasted good. An interesting note is that everywhere I had read info on making the cream or milk from coconut, there was always warnings about possible spoilage, mold growth, etc. with detailed descriptions of what to look out for.

I ignored it mostly because I thought it was like any other vegetable or fruit, if it smells bad or looks rotten, it probably is.

Anyways I discovered a bad coconut that wasn't too spoiled. It had slightly yellow meat(on the underside) and the water was murky. The water tasted ok... I made cream from this meat(before I realized it wasn't a good coconut) mixed with the meat from a fresh coconut. Moral of this story: Look out for spoilage from coconuts, even on the underside of the meat where it touches the husk before you pry it off.

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