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General Discussion / Re: switching to dog food
« on: July 19, 2012, 03:24:14 pm »
Interesting, I learn something new everyday on this site. I've seen WF's carry food for Dog's and Cat's, that is a mixture of Raw meats in the freezer section (maybe they should move it to the salad bar section for the rest of us?).  I'm sure their quality is much different, than straight from the farm. Have you tried it yet? It actually sounds pretty good, and healthy. I'd be game if that's all it is. There's no way I can get this fresh in my neck of the woods, unless I sacrifice an animal in my backyard! I'll have to check with our homeowners association on that one first. Maybe we should change our diet, and Website to ( The Human B.A.R.F. Project)?

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General Discussion / Re: how to not throw up eating calf's liver
« on: July 19, 2012, 02:55:47 pm »
Hey Joe, what's the lowdown on the nutribullet? How's that working out for you? Does it work as good as they say on those infomercials?

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General Discussion / Re: switching to dog food
« on: July 19, 2012, 10:50:56 am »
I'm confused, is it dog food? Or is it just fattier pieces of meat and organs, that they just label  as DF? They probably figure no human could possibility find this appetizing. So let's market it to people with Dogs! They fail to realize, we (raw Paleo's) love this $#%# (fatty meats, and organs), breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

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Health / Re: warning - take this seriously
« on: July 19, 2012, 09:10:44 am »
Charlie, you seriously need some psychiatric help my friend. I doubt anyone can help you in this forum, unless there a trained professional. If you function better on cooked foods, than by all means eat cooked food. If raw meat turns you into Mr. Hyde, then don't eat it. What's with the "warning" on your post? Most of us, if not all. Eat a diet based on raw animal protein. You don't see us going madd, do you? Maybe the medicine that you took, rewired your circuits or something. I doubt, eating raw meat is the culprit. I think your issues go way beyond, what this forum is capable of doing for you. I know there are a lot of people who really want to help you out, and feel for you, and that's great. But, beware, of people who are not qualified to deal with your problems/issues. You seem like a smart person, use your common sense, and follow you instincts. Good Luck with your condition! I hope you get the help, and support that you deserve.

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Health / Re: Countdown to clear skin in less than 40 days.
« on: July 19, 2012, 08:01:00 am »
Terressagirl, Please push your products somewhere else. Your very first post, and this is what you add to the Forum? Pathetic! If I could Spam you, I would!

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petricabilo, How should we know? This isn't a steroid Forum! I bet 100% of everybody in this Forum, wouldn't even think of putting that crap in their systems. Go to a bodybuilding, or a Steroid Forum to get the answers to your questions. I'm surprised your post hasn't been deleted as of yet. Come on man, Don't waste our time with this crap! It doesn't belong here!

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Health / Re: warning - take this seriously
« on: July 18, 2012, 01:29:48 pm »
I'm sorry if I sounded so abrasive. I understand a lack of nutrients, and food choices, can make a difference in our physical and emotional well being. I have my ups and downs just like everybody else in this world. Believe me, I'm not perfect by any stretch of the imagination. Dorothy, you are a true nurturer, and I see that you want/and are trying to reach out to him. I commend you for that! I too wish that he would tell us more about his diet, and try to figure what went wrong, or what he is doing wrong. I wasn't trying to be mean or judgmental, but I personally believe this is more than just about diet alone. I commend you Charlie for reaching out, and I hope you take advantage of all the people who care about your well being in this forum. In order for us to help you, you need to help yourself, and reach out to us.

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Health / Re: warning - take this seriously
« on: July 18, 2012, 01:35:43 am »
Charlie, I think you have to look in the mirror and stop blaming your issues/problems in your life on other things (including your diet). Did you think this "Diet" was going to fix you? You have deeper issues, than the food that you put in your body.  I'm not here to judge you. If you expected beef liver/heart, or wild salmon to enlighten you. I feel sorry for you! There's other things as Human Beings, that we have to work on besides diets. Just listen to your body, and make the necessary changes.

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: fat to protein ratio
« on: July 17, 2012, 01:17:41 pm »
I really don't count or worry about Protein/Fat ratios to be quite honest with you. I try not to be so scientific about it. I throw my slab of meat on my plate, mix what ever fat I'm using to my personal taste, and chow down. I'll mix and match protein/fat to my choosing each and every meal. I'm not as technical or fancy as some posters in this forum. I prefer to keep it as simple as I can. But, that's just me. Everybody, has their own take or variations, and that's cool, I respect that. That's what makes this forum a wealth of knowledge. It has a little bit of everything, for everybody.

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Health / Re: raw meats
« on: July 17, 2012, 01:04:44 pm »
tests, keep it simple. Don't over analyze this diet. Stick to Grass-fed meats, beef, lamb, wild game, ect. Wild fish: Wild Salmon, Tuna, and my favorite Black Cod (very fatty, so rich, it has a buttery taste to it). Grass-fed organ meats, and fats. Pasture based chicken/duck eggs, when you can find them. I'm not sure Vital Farms is 100% natural. I read/heard somewhere that they do use grains (soy and corn) as a way to substitute more protein in their diet. But, there's much worse choices out there than VF's. Don't be afraid of fat's, they should make up a good percentage of your diet. Don't over think it, if you have questions regarding a particular food or item, than just ask the forum. That's what I do, there's a wealth of information out there. Cruise the site more.

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: best muscle gaining program?
« on: July 17, 2012, 10:39:04 am »
Joe, you don't need to go heavy to build muscle. Use gravity with moderate weights. Concentrate on your form and movements. The slower you go, the harder it gets. Don't kill yourself with very heavy weights. Every time when I would go to the gym, I can't tell you how many people I would see doing exercises wrong. If it get's too easy, slow down your movements. Slow going up, and slow going down.You will get much more out of your workout, and you will target those muscles that you want to build much better. Too many people use gravity the wrong way (using momentum, and bouncing weights off their chest). Nutrition wise, I think you have some enough good info with the following posts. Pasture feed meats and fat's are always a great foundation to start with. Good Luck.

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Health / Re: Duck eggs
« on: July 17, 2012, 02:32:11 am »
You can find Pasture fed Duck Eggs @ www.eatwild.com . As far as Local Duck Eggs, I found a local farmer that sells them @ the Irvine Farmers Market (there across from UCI, on Sat. mornings). Drake Family Farms. They have a website, but no info on their duck eggs as of yet.  But, they are fed a subsidized percentage of Soy and Corn grains (can't remember if they are organic or not off the top of my head). I talked with the Rep. and she told me, the owners were thinking on changing the feed. If you go down there, just ask a lot of questions. I passed on them for now. But, I'm extremely picky when it comes to meats, eggs, fat's, ect. I only buy Grassfed, or a natural based diet (wild game) meats and eggs. To me, what the animals eat is very important to me. I'm sure I'm no different, than a lot of people in this forum.

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Milk Raised Veal Liver
« on: July 14, 2012, 09:36:18 am »
Thanks Thoth! I didin't even think about that (what kind of milk, or whatever they feed these calves). It make's you wonder. I'm staying away from it! See, that's why I go to you guy's/gal's first. It's funny, I have never heard of milk raised veal liver ever! Good thing I asked first. I had a feeling it wasn't going to fly in the forum. I just had to ask just in case.
Eveheart, if it doesn't pass your taste buds, recommendation, and approval. Forgetaboutit!!!!!

Thanks again you two!!!!!

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Milk Raised Veal Liver
« on: July 14, 2012, 01:05:37 am »
I was looking for your opinions or suggestions regarding 100% milk raised veal liver (non-organic). My local store currently carries it. Here's the catch, the mother's of the calf's were not pasture fed. The effect of the Milk was my #1 concern. I'm a little hesitant to pull the trigger on this veal liver for now. I thought I'd ask you guy's/gal's first, and get your feedback, before I do anything.

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Vegetable Oils
« on: July 07, 2012, 08:54:23 am »
eveheart: I totally agree! I'm sure we're no different than your grandmother.  :) or  -v. Some things or idea's are going to agree with us, and other's won't. About corn oil, WOW!!!! I new it was bad, but the way "Wikipedia" describes corn oil, it sounds like it should characterized as a toxic substance or bio hazard. It's a wonder we have so many health issues in this country, when we keep ingesting poisons like these into our systems. Thanks for the info. Too bad most people don't care, or fail to educate themselves on what they are constantly putting into their bodies. If they only knew?

CarnivorousApe, I agree, it makes you want to avoid all these's oils all together.

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: beaver eating
« on: July 06, 2012, 11:33:26 am »
I heard beaver taste's like "chicken". lol. Are you serious? Beaver?  Just make sure it's grass-fed/wild, and not domesticated and fed a grain based diet. lol. I was J/k. Good luck with that, and keep us posted if you go through with it.

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Vegetable Oils
« on: July 06, 2012, 11:11:37 am »
Hi jessica, when I first started this post, I was thinking EVOO, hemp, coconut,  or other seed butters/oils would be a valuable addition to our diet. Because, they are considered healthy, by the mainstream health "professionals and nutritionists". I have since changed my mind. I like you, I believe they have very little place in the RawPaleo diet, even if they are considered "raw" (too processed, there's better choices for fat out there).  I think a lot of rawpaleo dieter's choices are so objective, they kind of make up the rules as they go along (which is fine with me, just pointing that out). I believe simplicity works the best, and that's what I'm sticking too. But, I guess too each his own, and i can respect other people's choices and decisions.

CarnivorousApe,
"I wonder which one is healthier: cooked animal fats or cold pressed vegetable oils?" Good question. IMPO, I'd probably would stick with "cooked animal fat's if I had to choose". I think it's more in it's natural form. JMO. About corn oil, most corn in this country is GMO, unless it's organic of course. I can only imagine the problems that may encounter, if you used that in your diet.

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Vegetable Oils
« on: July 06, 2012, 06:29:53 am »
CarnivorousApe, I think you'll be fine with rendered fats. As long as they agree with you, I say go for it. Like I said in a previous post, I've had rendered duck fat and ghee, and they never gave me any problems. This diet is very subjective, I see where some people eat vegetables/some don't, some eat fruit/some don't, and some eat certain foods cooked (?). If I were you, I'd eat whatever that I felt comfortable with. As long as the substance agrees with you. Do a little experimenting if you have too. I'm actually still eating the rest of my ghee, and duck fat to be honest with you. I've heard duck fat is really good for you, and the same for ghee. Do a little research on them, and form your own conclusion.

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Vegetable Oils
« on: July 05, 2012, 02:12:37 pm »
CarnivorousApe, that is a great question, regarding cooked saturated fat and It's potential toxicity. I personally have no clue, I know that I've used ghee and duck fat, without any negative effects that I know of so far. It does make sense though, that since this diet is based on raw meats/eggs/fat. That the use of other processed fats would be unnecessary, as eveheart pointed out  (even if they are in their raw state; their still processed). Let's face it, our ancestors didn't sit around camp making ghee, pressing olives for their oil, or rendering "duck fat" day in and day out. It makes sense to avoid these items, not based on their potential toxicity, or products in question, but because they have no place in this diet. I think I was trying to over analysis additional fats on this diet, rather than keeping it simple. I plan on taking evehearts advice and stick to raw animal fats only. Raw butter makes more sense than rendered ghee or duck fat. JMO. This diet is simple if we want it to be. But, it can also be as complicated, if we make it that. I think when in question, keep it "simple". To me it makes perfect sense. I hope this helps you too.

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Vegetable Oils
« on: July 04, 2012, 03:05:35 pm »
Thanks eveheart for your reply and advice. You bring up very good and valid points, and I feel that your right, about avoiding processed, packaged, and "un-whole" foods! I plan on keeping it 100% natural! I mean, our ancestors didn't reach for a bottle of EVOO, or Nut Oils, ect! Thank you for your post. It kind of put's things in perspective.

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Vegetable Oils
« on: July 04, 2012, 01:50:16 pm »
CarnivorousApe, thanks for your reply. My last diet was a form of the Ayurveda diet, which was based on the warming and cooling of foods on the body. I've been on, and tried just about every diet you can possibility think of. The all raw fruit, vegetarian, macrobiotic diet, ect. None have met my expectations to be quite honest with you, and they never got me to where I wanted, or expected to be with them. Let me tell you a little more about myself. I'm allergic to Soy, Pasteurized Dairy, raw milk I'm actually fine with, I don't get the negative reactions at all. I have digestion problems when it comes to grains/beans, and when I eat a little too much of fruit for some reason. My diet the last 15 years has been so vague and different, I've searched high and low. But, I've tried to keep it as clean as I can, especially these last few years. I try to eat only grass fed meats (beef, lamb, buffalo when I can find it 100% pasture based), wild fish (mostly salmon/sardines), pasture based eggs (no soy/corn based), organ meats when I can find them (grass fed of course). I've stayed away from chicken recently, due to the fact it is so hard to find poultry that isn't grain based from Soy/Corn. I haven't tried raw pork yet, but the pork that is available in my local stores is not wild, and is grain fed. So far that I've been on this diet, it has been a positive experience, and I look forward to the future. Sometimes to be quite honest with you, I wish I was like everyone else ( that I could eat whatever I wanted to, without consequences). Which is unrealistic, because there's always consequences to every action. But, then again at the same time, I'm glad i'm not like everyone else. I am different, and it's taken me a while to accept "me" for who I am. I just try to do the best that I can, day in and day out. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with me, I really appreciate your feed back. My purpose is to get to know as much as I can about this diet. My original question about EVOO, EV coconut oil, and EV nut oils, is to gage in the community what is acceptable and what is not. I know certain nuts and seeds have high phytic acid levels that make digestion and nutrients hard to assimilate. I don't know if the oils have that same problem, so that's why i asked. Thanks again!

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Vegetable Oils
« on: July 03, 2012, 02:57:35 pm »
How do you guy's and Gal's feel about adding plant based oils to meats to increase fat content? Examples: extra virgin olive oil, avocado oil, extra virgin coconut oil, or any of the virgin nut oils. I'm currently using organic grass fed ghee, and organic duck fat ( from pasture raised of course). Granted these are not "raw", so I guess they would be frowned upon on this forum. I'm trying to get additional idea's on "fat's" an what's out there that is currently used and acceptable in this diet. I can get raw butter when it's available. I love that stuff! I don't have current access to just fat from grass fed animals (my local store's don't carry them), unless I order it online. Whole foods has stopped carrying organ meats, and I never see tongue, marrow, ect., available. Also, are grass fed fats much more preferable, than the plant based fat's listed above? Thanks!

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