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General Discussion / Re: How much do you guys spend a month on food?
« on: June 14, 2013, 06:18:20 am »
exactly what foods do you eat on a typical day and in what amounts?
Im in ketosis also and dont seem to have no need to eat like you do.

I eat the same thing every day:

200 grams of grass fed ground beef (mixed with organs) @ around 16-17% fat
200 grams of grass fed regular ground beef @ around 16-17% fat
190 grams of grass fed fat trimmings / back fat
I do not eat suet
I also may be adding in a small amount of fish in the future

How do you know you're actually in Ketosis ?

General Discussion / Re: eggshells for white teeth
« on: June 13, 2013, 10:56:41 am »
I've been brushing my teeth with a mixture of baking soda and hydrogen peroxide and there is a noticeable difference in the color of my teeth. All you have to do is mix the two until they form a pasty texture.

My favorite toothpaste is Desert Essence Toothpaste. It is Flouride, SLS, and Gluten free.
Calcium Carbonate and Sodium Bicarbonate (baking soda) are both in this toothpaste which help remove the yellow.

Health / Re: Nutrient loss through freezing
« on: June 13, 2013, 04:03:05 am »
First off, let me rephrase what I had written as I never looked it over before posting it. When I said lighter skinned people come from the north - what I meant was the further away from the equator you go; the lighter ones skin becomes.

Thanks aLptHW4k4y....

And Thanks Eve.... Your hard stance forced me to abandon to simple path of going grain fed ... and I took off and now for the last 2 days (morning till evening) I am visiting the local farmers.

Unfortunately, I got 0% success with the local farmers. In one way or another, they are feeding the cattle with grains and no hope that they will give up their practices.

But I got the partial success on the Internet again (farmers in 100 km range).  A producer said he has "Cameroon" sheep which eat only grass.  But again the problem is this  that he does not slaughter regularly, and he has only few sheep.

Another producer said that he has galloways and Angus Cows, which eat only grass too. But he wants to sell minimum of 40 kg which is impossible for me.

But I am still hopeful I will find a way.

Thanks a lot for keep insisting on grass fed meat.


Is sea food also healing like the Red Meat?

Yes, seafood is very healing if it isn't farmed. The key to getting the most out of the healing properties of raw meat is variety. You want to eat different parts of the animal to be sure you are getting your fat soluble vitamins as well as much needed minerals. I eat a little bit of different organ meat mixed with my muscle meat every day to keep my vitamin stores filled.

General Discussion / Re: How much do you guys spend a month on food?
« on: June 12, 2013, 11:33:27 am »
That gives me hope. My fat costs about $3 per pound.

Not bad. I don't really have any farms close by from me so I have to order my fat online. I've heard of people getting fat from farmers for a little bit over $1.00 per pound. Do you order yours online too ?

Health / Re: Nutrient loss through freezing
« on: June 12, 2013, 11:25:11 am »
I've said this before, sorry for the redundancy,,,  just because a people ate this way or that way is little proof of much.  The inuit also lived in smoke filled igloos, does this mean we should burn seal oil in our homes.   Another way to wonder might be, what if they had fresh food all the time at their disposal...    Eating frozen was probably a way to survive.  I saw a video of a current family await the return of a hunter who'd been away for days.  They were really without food for some time, when he returned, he brought back a seal, frozen from having been caught several days prior.  They were most happy to eat it.       Same with the plains indians making pemican.  Should we deduce that pemican is healthier to eat than fresh bison? or was it a way to stay alive through hard lean times.

I wasn't trying to prove anything. Mentioning that light skinned people's digestive symptoms are more adapted to frozen foods was a hypothesis. I just personally don't think the benefits over fresh meat compared to meat that was previously frozen is significant.

Health / Re: Nutrient loss through freezing
« on: June 11, 2013, 04:08:17 pm »
the point is that certain people have higher resistances to damaging practices than others. This guy lived one of the worst lifestyles ever and still looks completely healthy and has more energy than almost anyone I know.

Well, maybe eating thawed meat isn't as damaging as you may think. Humans did go through an ice age, remember? Also, Inuit's have been known to eat their food frozen:

"Vitamins and minerals which are typically derived from plant sources are nonetheless present in most Inuit diets. Vitamins A and D are present in the oils and livers of cold-water fishes and mammals. Vitamin C is obtained through sources such as caribou liver, kelp, whale skin, and seal brain; because these foods are typically eaten raw or frozen, the vitamin C they contain, which would be destroyed by cooking, is instead preserved."


Maybe as Cherimoya says, some people can handle frozen foods better than another. Being fairly light skinned may have something to do with this? I say this because people with light skin are said to come from northern latitudes while someone who is darker is said to come from areas closer to the equator where the sun is always shining. It has been proven that darker skinned people need much more Vitamin D than the light skinned. It's been hypothesized that because of the lower intensity of ultraviolet light that comes from the north, the light skinned need less Vitamin D. I would even throw in the fact that the light skinned wore more clothes - hence another reason why we may need less vitamin D. Also, people with light skin can produce their own Vitamin D via the kidneys. My point is, because I'm light skinned the gene's that handle my digestion may be more suitable to such cold food.

General Discussion / Re: How much do you guys spend a month on food?
« on: June 11, 2013, 06:15:44 am »
How much do you eat per day and how much does it cost you per lb for your fat?

The total weight of my food comes out to around 600 Grams per day.
My macronutrient ratios come out to:
250 Grams of Fat
75 Grams of Protein
Which is around 2600 Calories.

The fat is $5.00/lb (expensive, I know..)

Health / Re: Nutrient loss through freezing
« on: June 11, 2013, 06:08:46 am »
Practically all my animal foods are frozen, high meat being the only exception. I also feel great.

That is great, Boss. I always let my meat thaw out in the refrigerator as the meat seems to retain more of its flavor. As to why this happens I'm not sure - but it always seemed more logical to let something frozen slowly thaw out as such a rapid change in temperature may damage the meat. I also make sure to soak up all the blood from the meat with the meat :D

General Discussion / Re: How much do you guys spend a month on food?
« on: June 11, 2013, 06:02:16 am »
thats absurd

Ketogenesis does quite a good job at keeping my hunger satisfied :)

General Discussion / Re: How much do you guys spend a month on food?
« on: June 10, 2013, 08:38:26 pm »
About $200/Month

Health / Re: Nutrient loss through freezing
« on: June 10, 2013, 08:22:17 pm »
not to mention damaged enzymes and bacteria. as well as the water seperating from the nutrients during freezing which likely impacts utilizability of said nutrients. Also parasites die during freezing, I wonder what else dies.

Aajonus feed half of a group of deogs fresh raw emat and the other group the same meat but frozen. The frozen group developed mange and other skin disorders as well overall poorer health than the fresh emat group. When he started giving the frozen group fresh meat, all problems disappeared.

I've been eating raw meat thats been frozen for over two years now with no ill effects whatsoever. My skin glows and I feel the best I've ever felt.

She has been eating zero carb for five years now and eats plenty of fat, I imagine she is accustomed to no carbs. I also used the term anaerobic loosely, just because you do movements explosively in martial arts which is different than slower Endurance movements, but there is plenty of aerobic stuff too.

It could just be because she has never done something like this before so is adapting.  That's why I was just seeing if there was anybody here who is athletic on a zero carb diet, or if people find they have to add some form of carbs to help performance.

I go to the gym 6 days a week mixing both aerobic and anaerobic exercises. I have no problem maintaining energy levels.

How do you define 'well formulated'? And did you try it at yourself?

Well formulated as in not eating too much protein while eating enough fat. Also, making sure to get enough sodium as it is easily lost while in ketogenesis. Too much protein will convert to glucose and will keep your body from maintaining a state of ketosis; which in turn will cause continuous adaption symptoms. I was eating too much protein for quite some time (I've been on zero carb now for 2 years) and had this problem. Just recently (the past 6 months or so) I've found a comfortable protein intake for me that allows me to maintain energy levels equal to or greater than a high carb diet. You will know when you reach that protein sweet spot when your energy levels stay consistent.

Are you sure about anaerobic activity? Or is it aerobic?

I don't thinc that you can sustain anaerobic activity on a zero carb approach. This kind of activity is in the "red zone" of your metabolism and relies on carbs. You can't replenish those carbs by neoglucogenesis while exercising. But that is just theoretical knowledge...

Anaerobic Activity can be sustained on a zero carb approach if the diet is well formulated. After 3-4 weeks of keto-adaption there shouldn't be any difference in athletic performance; other than being able to exercise longer :)

It could very well be sodium depletion. Is she getting any symptoms of low sodium; such as lightheadedness, dizziness? Sodium losses are very high when you are in ketosis. Keeping salt intake and water intake high is important.

Protein intake is also important - too much protein and you run into 'glycogen crashes'. Basically, your body takes this excess protein and through gluconeogenesis will turn the protein into glucose. At that point you are not in ketosis (you are using glucose as fuel) and once that glucose runs out you will run low on energy as your body has to keep re-adapting to ketosis. Figuring out how much protein to eat took me quite some time to figure out. You want just enough for bodily maintenance. Since kickboxing and kungfu may require more energy she might not have been using up this extra glucose from prior activities.

Also, she could just not be eating enough fat for fuel.

General Discussion / Re: Old New York Gangsters knew about raw meat
« on: March 19, 2013, 04:31:38 am »
Sure, they may have eaten raw meat but there is nothing in the quote that suggests it being soothing for the same reasons; therefore, how you are interpreting the quote is merely an opinion.

Pretty much every culture ate some amount of raw meat until recently. I dont see whats so hard to believe about this.

General Discussion / Re: Old New York Gangsters knew about raw meat
« on: March 18, 2013, 12:33:49 am »
   To insist that this quote means it soothes both men and dogs in the SAME manner is of your interpretation. This quote in no way states that it was soothing to both man and dog in the same way. All the quote is stating is that it is 'soothing' to both dogs and men.

You mention that the 'manner' in which it was written clearly has a default interpretation of being used for the same purpose. Can you please point out the manner mentioned ?

' to say that the statement indicates its uses for dogs and men as different is to read into it that which is not there'

To say that statement indicates its use for dogs and men is the same would be reading into that which is not there as well, don't you think?

"It soothes dogs and men."

I'm not dismissing the possibility that they may have eaten raw meat. All I am saying is that there is no default interpretation although evidence does seem to point towards meat being used to sooth gangster's black eyes.

"soothing to men for their black eyes and dogs as food"

I think a statement like that only serves to try and fit the statement in question into what you want to believe. The manner in which soothing to both dogs and men was written clearly has a default interpretation of being used for dogs and men in the same way. to say that the statement indicates its uses for dogs and men as different is to read into it that which is not there, It seems to me like you want to believe that they were not eating raw meat back then for some reason but I personally believe the evidence is in favor of them eating raw meat.

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: One Day Off A Week?
« on: January 28, 2013, 10:37:45 pm »
I used to take a day off and pay for it. Not anymore. What changed my mind was the biochemistry of getting back into ketosis, where I feel fantastic. I used ketostix to record my state of ketosis and found that it takes me about a week and a half to recover from one meal off. Now, my rule says that, if my life requires a non-raw paleo meal, I will eat cooked paleo, but absolutely no grains or gluten, no gravy or dressings, no fruits or starches. So what's left? Perhaps a little too much protein, which may be cooked, and some non-grassfed butter. Better still, I only go out to sushi bars and oyster bars, so if someone wants to be my friend, they know my limits.

How is the transition after cutting out the gluten,grains,dressing,etc..? I suppose you find it much more tolerable?

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: One Day Off A Week?
« on: January 28, 2013, 10:15:39 pm »
By all means eat SAD one day a week for social reasons.

In my own case, though, I deliberately view eating cooked/processed foods as a chore to be endured in order to get on socially with  SAD-eaters, even if, as in a few cases, those foods may be very tasty still. I sometimes use cooked food consumption also as a punishment if I haven't reached certain (non-dietary) goals that day, as the ensuing hangover-like detox symptoms the next day make me feel awful.

   Very Interesting, Tyler. Of course I am very familiar with this hangover-like detox symptom but it only seems to occur if I go more than say, five days on a SAD. Also, I remember taking a week off and NOT having the hangover symptom. I strongly believe the detoxing of MSG has a lot to do with the hangover-like effect. Then again, eating heavily cooked foods would have the same effect as well; in my experience the carcinogens from these heavily cooked foods would do the same. I've noticed this significantly if I eat something grilled as to boiled.
   So, I guess what it comes down to is the type of food choices that is most important if I want to avoid that dreadful side effect; which leaves me stuck in my bed for the entire day - THE HANGOVER.   :o 

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: One Day Off A Week?
« on: January 28, 2013, 10:00:47 pm »
Thanks for the reply.
My main concern would obviously be the damage done to my body during that one day. Then again, if I don't feel the horrid negative effects like I had through the earlier periods of transition, maybe my body has healed itself enough to handle these foods?  I guess time will tell if I do take one day off a week; and my body starts feeling run down again, that I am slowly putting myself back in the position of where I started; a sickly body and mind.

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / One Day Off A Week?
« on: January 28, 2013, 09:43:32 pm »
Hey Guys,

      I wanted to ask you all your opinions on taking one day off a week to eat whatever I desire. I've been eating raw paleo / zero carb now for almost two years. During these two years I sometimes take a week off here and there to reward myself for achievements I am proud of. Also, I'll take off during the Holidays to eat with my family.
      The side effects of coming off a SAD during the end of the week when transitioning back to the raw carb diet have become almost nonexistent except for the occasional bout of diarrhea (and some weight gain as a result of the diet) the next day after returning -which would most likely be my body expelling the junk and/or the change of bacteria strains in the gut.
      Personally, I've been satisfied taking off some time only during the holidays. Now, as my life changes, it would be nice to take off one day a week and eat anything I please. My body has become very efficient at cleaning itself out and recovering but of course I do not want to overwhelm it by eating junk during the one day I do take off.
      If I do decide to take one day off a week I may push myself to stay away from Dairy, Gluten, Soy, Additives, etc. Then again, by avoiding the above, may take away from the whole point of taking one day off a week to begin with. It is hard to make a decision when you are well aware of the consequences these foods have on the body but at the same time want to enjoy a social life.

Thanks Guys

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: fat to protein ratio
« on: August 15, 2012, 12:54:23 am »
The majority of my energy is coming from ketones. There is no need for me to eat nearly that much protein as it will only prevent me from entering into ketosis. I try to eat just enough protein for bodily repair/maintenance. The whole idea is to get away from glucose being my main fuel.

Isn't 90 g of protein like 3 oz of protein?
And 240 g of fat like 8.5 oz of fat?

That's not a lot of protein.

I get like 9-12 oz of protein (336 g) which is a lot less than most on the forum. I also get like 3-4.5 oz of fat (126 g). For a total of about 2430 calories plus the couple of fruits I eat daily.

Health / Re: Post meal Ketogenic crash?
« on: August 14, 2012, 09:03:59 am »
I've been on a ketogenic diet for almost a year now and noticed something quite similar. Are you drinking enough water? I'm sure you are well aware that being in ketosis we already lose a significant amount of water and electrolytes even without exercise. It could be hard to keep up with these losses especially when we start sweating heavily.
You also don't wanna over do it on the water. If you do, you may end up losing a lot of sodium (depending on how many carbs you eat as carbs help us retain salt). You could also try adding 1/8th  or 1/4 teaspoon of sea salt into a 500ML water bottle and see if you notice any difference. Good Luck

I have been dealing with some weird symptoms lately, that have been difficult to pinpoint.

I have been eating an extremely low carb diet for a while now with no issues at all, but recently I began working out more intensely than usual. I have noticed a very heavy weak foggy headed feeling after meals during the last couple of weeks. It was almost like a low blood sugar episode, but somehow different. I tested my sugar after meals and it would actually drop from mid 80s, to mid 70s. Its not hypoglycemia, but it feels like my brain is starving for energy.

The last couple of days I have been eating some avocado and raw coconut before my meals and the issue has resolved. I think perhaps my body is needing more carbs to accommodate for the extra intense workouts along with the demanding work I do.

Its all new territory for me because I have never needed to add extra carbs before. Have  any other low carbers had similar experiences?

Personals / Re: Anyone in NJ?
« on: August 12, 2012, 09:09:24 pm »
North Jersey here. By Giant Stadium :]

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