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ahh, very good! thanks for the update! glad you are figuring some things out that are beneficial to you...
keep us posted on your progress!
my daughter also has low blood pressure...
So i started raw paleo caus i have had a week digestion all my life, NO allergies but not ever been hungry. I was hoping raw would strengthen my digestion. However now 2weeks in with mostly lamb/beef meat, beef fat, bone marrow i feel no power in my legs and i never feel like eating, feels like im always full but NO bloating/constipation/gas. I am loosing weight and would now be classifeid as underweight. Fruit is NOT a solution since all fruit makes me less hungry then ever (been on and off frutarian for abot a year before and my body just hate fruit now). What is also scaring me is that my eyes a getting blood shot every time after i eat. Been trying to mix it up with seafood but every seafood gives me a fever feeling and chills. I know this diet is much more then my body ever can handle right now but im not knowing if it trys to adjust or if i have physical problems inhibiting me from eating this way ever.
Where did you read this?
I see your point and I think I'm settling into an idea of it. I see what Lex was after and that his downfall may have been too much protein, which got converted to glycogen via GNG, keeping him in limbo.Well that and not enough fat. Since he probably wasn't eating enough fat, he was most likely breaking down muscle for fuel as well - which I'm pretty sure is even more taxing on the body than gluconeogenesis.
Does that mean you believe GNG happens only after your body's basic protein need is filled, rather than Lex's idea of up to 58% of ALL consumed protein can be turned into glycogen?
Now, I'm still unsure if during keto-adaptation, if one plans on remaining omnivorous with 1-2 pieces of fruit daily (10-20g of carbs) one should continue to consume that many carbs, in hopes the body will adapt to ketones, or will the body just continue to try and run on few carbs until they are depleted for a time? Then, after a time in ketosis (ketonuria) one could add back in a low amount of carbs, infrequently, without any side effects of re-adapting?
This is where it gets tough. It seems to me that its best to either do well on carbs and do a CKD to remain low-carb most of the time with a loading time (which I don't find loading on carbs to be that "energizing" so I question this process anyways) or just go full carnivorous. The tricky thing is, a keto-adapted person can consume 10g of carbs with no issue, and someone can stay glycogen adapted living on a low-carb diet in the 30g/day area? So does it just come down to consistency? Is low carb limbo when the keto-adapted person consumed x amount of carbs (x is low-carb limbo inducing) daily and then his body decides that glycogen is preferred over ketones, regardless of the amount of fat? Can this change if someone is keto-adapted for 4 months vs. a year? Lex didn't seem to be in ketonuria when he upped his fat, since he became really fatigued and was overdoing his protein amount, according to many who are fully in ketosis. So was his body hanging onto the glycogen from excess protein?
Considering excess protein forming glycogen, and not having the experience to do well, would I lose too much muscle mass if I went to 100% fat for 2 days, then added 10g of protein extra each subsequent day (3rd-10g, 4th-20g, 5th-30g, etc) trying to demand of my body to use those ketones more quickly instead of sacrificing the protein into glycogen?
Thank you. That's good info. However, I still feel inconclusive on the low carb limbo issue. Yes, things like eggs and oysters can provide 10 g of carbs in an average sitting, But I'm not sold that all carbs are the same.
I guess the best I can do is experiment and see what works for me, trying my best to maintain consistency, something I find hard to do in the plant world.
I'm still not settled on this idea of limbo. Essentially the article is saying, if you are in the 5-30g/day of carbs group, then you are probably in limbo. More and you can hit a CKD, but I think he says about 50g per day and less will have you leaning on limbo, including one day a week where you glycogen load with ~150-200g of carbs. I personally find glycogen loading to be counteractive to training ketone use, but some people seem to fare well.
Also, as I am reading through Lex's journal (what a gold mine!) I see he advocates for a mostly animal diet and only about 1 piece of fruit or a salad daily. This would clearly leave someone in the 5-30g of carbs/day group. This is blatantly contradictory to the article.
So here's my question: Who's right; Lex or Primal North?
P.S. Eve: I understand what you mean now about it not being Mg. I don't think it was any vit. deficiency. Perhaps a mineral deficiency or perhaps thats just my response to losing carbs. I want to try again asap because the more I read I feel like carnivory would be great. But I would also rather not miss out on the world of a little sugar whilst young.You said you are low-carb, mod. protein, high fat? What's your approx macronutrient breakdown?
Primal North's article focused on athletes, and I admit that I don't understand his differentiation between keto-adaptation and fat adaptation, but I admire his stance that you don't need cheat days or other forms of carb-loading.
I hope I'm able to complete this effectively with correct minerals with the food sources I have right now.
I'd say those symptoms as well as weight loss (if you are overweight and restricting calories) would be signs. I've noticed after eating too much protein I'd get headaches, joint pain, diarrhea and feel fatigued. After experimenting with protein intake and finding that sweet spot I would notice higher energy, increased stamina/strength, mental clarity, normal bowel movements and an increased tolerance to stress.
I kinda feel late in the adaptation stage. Because I've been off adderall for 4 days now and coffee for about 12 I think, and I remember making a conscious decision to severely for carbs when I cut coffee so I didn't have to deal with the constant up and down of blood sugar. I don't know if adderall prevents ketosis but I stopped because I was eating so good that it made me feel worse rather than better.
I guess when I'm keto I'll know right?
How many carbs do you guys eat a day. For the past month I've only had a teaspoon of honey, 1-3 pieces of fruit, and the occasional couple of teaspoons of jam or almond butter. I don't think that puts Mr over 100 g at the worst, usually it wasn't that high. For the past 3 days I've been Vlc with today being one teaspoon of honey with my fat. I feel really good after tonights meal: 5 oz suet, 4 oz salmon, 4 oz liver, little honey. I think I'm in ketosis. What do you guys think?
Sounds like that can be the trouble with the spleen, will wait and see if it goes away, other then that i feel good, somewhat low in energy but i guess it takes some time for me to up the ketones?
Thank you so much 24isours. I am doing more protein but not by much (im under 100g), i do about 500g of some sort of muscle meat/organ meat a day then i just eat beef fat until im not hungry. However some days i have done 400g of kidneys or liver...
Why do you eat so little organ meats? Why is not your main source of protein from oragan meat? What is your preferred source of protein and fat?
id assume im in ketosis because my diet is about 70 percent fat. I also feel a difference in my energy. I have a much more stable less erratic type energy now than compared to when im eating lots of carbs. I notice a very distinct difference in the type of energy I feel and I assume this feeling is ketosis.
How can I know besides. those things?
There are urine ketone tests available.
There are specific drugs you can get from any doctor which get rid of parasites. At any rate, RPDers as a whole very rarely report getting parasites and symptoms are usually harmless if they ever do get them.
Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but since it's toward the top of the list, I won't feel too bad about it. Just wanted to share my experience.
I have a LOT more energy being ZC. Previously, I worked out constantly, but I hated running, hated anything more than super gentle yoga. Even yoga exhausted me. I had no energy. The only time I've had less energy was FIRST going ZC. First transitioning is hell. I have a 3-year-old little boy and the first several days to week of trying to keep up with him and be a good parent were hideous. I just wanted to sit, sleep, stay in bed, etc. The only reason I stuck with it is because of the EXTREME relief when it came to my digestive system. I had a flat stomach and no pain (from looking 9 months pregnant and constant agony and digestive distress for years) within two days of starting. After about a week, I suddenly had more energy than I've had in years and now play with my 3-year-old more than I ever have. My house is also immaculate! It's seriously like I'm on speed or something, I get so much done in a day. Mind you, it probably only took a week because I was already LC/paleo prior to going ZC (the bloating came from IBS, which was the result of a condition called fructose malabsorption).
Since beginning, I have "cheated" a few times. I've thought eating one item would be ok, like part of a potato, or just recently, a couple blocks of Kerrygold grassfed cheese. Now whenever I ingest too many carbs of any type, I'd say anything over 5g (a limit I sometimes approach due to egg consumption), my energy is suddenly crap again and I have to readjust. Now it generally only takes a few days to get back to what I'm guessing is just full on ketosis, but then again, I never go and carb binge or anything.
So I don't know if the issue is getting too many carbs in other areas... I know some ZCers use heavy cream, eat cheese, tons of eggs, liver regularly, etc... but it can add up. And especially if you occasionally have a carb source. Otherwise, you should adjust.
If it's truly not that, then I'd imagine it's not enough fat. If I'm feeling tired, it's always one of three things: 1.) I haven't slept enough (surprise, surprise), 2.) I haven't had enough fat, 3.) I haven't had enough water. Lots of water and lots of fat and I'm good to go. I often have so much energy that I have to go bike for about an hour or run just to burn some of it. I also lift weights several times a week and sit down maybe once a day, at night, for like half an hour. Soooo much energy.
This is not my personal experience. At the moment my consumption of calcium is minimal while I have been supplementing magnesium and potassium for years. My average intake of magnesium per day is between 200 and 300% RDA, my average intake of calcium is below 50% a day, and my intake of potassium is about 80% RDA a day. I avoid dairy. I find it difficult to get more magnesium and potassium from food sources than I actually do, about 50% RDA in each case. I over supplement magnesium because it helps control my atrial fibrillation.I do not place all that much importance on RDA as the values established were based on populations eating refined carbohydrates which cause the wasting of magnesium and potassium and the retention of sodium. The leg cramps appeared after I switched to eating below 50g of carbohydrates a day. If the leg cramps do not improve I think I will have to increase my carbs and potassium rich carbohydrates in particular.
What's your diet like? It would help other members considering RZC. I still eat some carbs (90-120 grams daily, some times more) but I'm interested in how you often you eat organ meats too. I eat muscle meat regularly, and once weekly I'll eat 4 oz of liver, brain, and heart. Do you eat more organ meats than muscle meat?
How is your salt intake? How much fat and what type do you use?