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Welcoming Committee / Re: NEED HELP SURVIVING! how to ease in paleo?
« on: February 13, 2011, 05:41:51 am »
Credits will do fine.


DANG IT! :P I was gonna say that.

General Discussion / Re: Mineral supplements
« on: February 12, 2011, 04:59:30 am »
I've been taking 300-400mg of magnesium and 50mg/2mg zinc copper. Both are in liquid form trace mineral research. Both of these supplements have been great for me. I came from a diet extremely high in phytic acid and I was undoubtedly deficient in many minerals. Magnesium has helped dramatically improve anxiety and I don't suffer panic attacks anymore. Of course there are other factors that might have helped, but magnesium has given me immediate relief in times of high stress. My previous diet was also so high in copper (Soy, nuts, grain, cacao, vegetable matter in general) that my mental/adrenal state became out of whack. I previously took much more zinc in order to help eliminate the copper and the symptoms. Now I take this balanced dose to ease into balance. I also put a little sea salt in my drinking water for trace minerals and to keep myself from becoming dehydrated.

General Discussion / Re: How to learn about wild foods in your area?
« on: February 12, 2011, 04:49:42 am »
I'm interested in this too. I don't even know if edible wild plants exist in north central Texas.

Off Topic / Re: The Great Health Debate
« on: February 12, 2011, 03:35:25 am »
miles, you are the one starting trouble here and are arguing semantics or basically just nonsense. Did you listen to any of these talks at all? have you read a single book David Wolfe  has written to understand what he is saying or heard him speak about evolution? Have you ever actually read about Hugo de Vries prior to today or actually ever taken any other proponents of creationist theories like DW has and tried to not prove them wrong through what you 'know'..and thus accept them as possible ideas with an open mind?  It sounds like you have not

When someone says they don't believe in what is labeled scientifically as a theory (after all) do you automatically assume they are wrong? it sounds like you do. Eventually I'll recap all the debates and so far it isn't the most uplifting information as could be expected from the point of view of what might be considered 'our' perspective on diets. This does not make them right or conversely us right for being anti them capiche? but nonetheless in a similar way its important to acknowledge what amounts to the experimental design of most theories around diet or larger concepts as sometimes being totally competing things who differences can often be crucial..particularly for health. No theory about 'how things are' will ever guarantee success on the individual, this already points to some of the problems of universaliztion within this very subject in trying to group how ALL THINGS operate which is absurd really.

what I said to CK is 100% correct. One can NOT believe in any aspect of evolution as defined by Darwin, and still believe species have shifted and changed since the begining of time. I presented problems with both some mainstream misinterpretations with evolution as well as hardcore problems with the theory itself.

The theory of evolution itself actually needs to already have some assumption that beings MUST HAVE evolved in order to make any sense at all. In other words it uses what it already assumes to be to actually prove what it is..which is why no matter how much proof of it actually happening (which is very little or none) it can never be considered real science. If that sounds crazy to you, you havn't actually thought about it critically, which isn't surprising because of the precise problem above, that anything that counters such a theory which really is more of a hypothesis is dismissed without actually questioning the very construction and motivation of the theory..and so on.

your new comment is bollocks of course, as you guys say over there. My link definitely proves that while 'mutations' might be found in evolution or like CK points out with 'punctuated equilibrium as opposed to gradualism', that THE Mutation Theory is considered to be a different way of thinking about this process which DEFEATS Darwin's theory if it is to be accepted. What I said is it is a more acceptable theory in terms of possibly articulating what not a single person on planet earth understands at all (including as I say: myself) or can illustrate in their own terms without such assumptions never-mind could possibly know for certain.

WTF? I don't think you understand that the theory of evolution is not completely limited to Darwin's ideas. You speak of this "mutation theory" as if it is exclusive, and it is not. You have to understand that Darwin was NOT aware of the existence of genetic information when he wrote Origin of Species. It seems mutationism places an emphasis on random errors due to mistranslation of DNA, and yes this does happen. Genetic information is not copied 100% accurately. Even a mistranslation of a single base pair can completely change the phenotypic expression of a gene.

"the mutationists saw evolution as a two-step process of the chance occurrence of a mutation"
"The mutationists denied that selection is creative, and they gave mutation a certain measure of control over the course of evolution."

(from wikipedia, not the most reliable but I'm using this to make a point)

I do not disagree with these statements at ALL. Individuals of a species can build up varying degrees of neutral mutation caused by random errors of DNA translation that do not affect survival in their current environment. When the environment changes, some of these neutral mutations can then provide survival advantages causing their frequency to increase. In this respect, mutation IS A DRIVING FORCE IN EVOLUTION. Natural selection works on the variation CAUSED BY THE MUTATIONS to change the gene pool of the species. This is why genetic diversity is very important.

I also do not think you understand what theory in science actually means. People say "OH WELL, it's just a theory so it's probably full of bullshit."

In science there are varying degrees of certainly when defining a concept

Least to most certain

Hypothesis -> Theory -> Law

Hypothesis would have the certainly equal to the amount of certainty a common person would attribute to the word theory.

Hypothesis becomes a theory when a HUGE amount of data exists to support a model for explaining an idea. Science is NOT supposed to be pretentious (although sometimes can be and I understand this), and this is why they don't call it "The fact of evolution."

It is not called the "Law of Evolution" (although I wish they did so misinformed creationists would stop using this as a point) because it only refers to universal constants, mathematical concepts (many exist in chemistry and physics i.e gas law/laws of motion etc)

"One can NOT believe in any aspect of evolution as defined by Darwin, and still believe species have shifted and changed since the begining of time."

ANY aspect? So I imagine species changed because wizards used their magic wands to change the species or the flying spaghetti monster created the universe and put the species on Earth in their current form.

I also would refrain from giving much credibility to David Wolfe. He comes off as a bloody charlatan trying hard to sell obscure superfoods/herbs that humans haven't really even eaten during our evolutionary history, saying that somehow they will somehow save us from diseases of civilization. He is also similar to Daniel Cousens in the respect that he uses some sort of strange new age spirituality nonsense to explain which diet is appropriate for human beings.

From what I'm reading, it seems like you are arguing with yourself.

General Discussion / Re: Raw Meat Safety Info
« on: February 11, 2011, 12:05:12 am »

E-coli is extremely negligible in grass fed meat. You would have to have no immune system to have issues.

"How do you explain the American deaths of e.coli poisoning from meats? (Because it's grain fed, factory farmed raised, and improperly butchered?)"

You just answered your own question.

Off Topic / Re: The Great Health Debate
« on: February 10, 2011, 11:57:09 pm »

which does not suggest the world is at all recent, but that there are just massive gaps in the fossil record, that do suggest some species do not 'evolve' over time but change massively in a relatively short periods. I resonate with that more myself.

This is still part of evolution. It's called punctuated equilibrium as opposed to gradualism. High environmental stress causes accelerated natural selection. If he believes evolution is false, then he could not possibly have this point of view.

Off Topic / Re: The Great Health Debate
« on: February 10, 2011, 09:52:31 am »
OH LOL, David Wolfe is a creationist? XD

I doubt he would understand human's natural diet, if this is the case.

"Cook raw meat to dramatically lower karma so you don't get blasted with the karma from the animal."

WTF? I don't understand some of these diet gurus with their new age spirituality BS.

General Discussion / Re: Honey Wars
« on: February 10, 2011, 03:59:21 am »
  i always feel extremely hot afterwards which is a very bad sign.

Can you describe this feeling a bit more? Why is it a bad sign? Allergy?

Does anyone else have any input on bee pollen?

Hot Topics / Re: Holy crap
« on: February 09, 2011, 01:59:34 pm »
As a proponent of individual freedom, this disturbs me.

What is going to be the cutoff then for being allowed to have sex? 50? 60? 70? 80? I hope this doesn't set some precedent.

Hot Topics / Re: 109 Year Old Man health secrets
« on: February 09, 2011, 01:52:09 pm »
I really do wonder what effect a raw paleo diet has on longevity.

I don't care about how long I live as much as I care about how well I feel while I live. Fortunately, they tend to go hand in hand.

Off Topic / Re: The Great Health Debate
« on: February 09, 2011, 01:37:01 pm »
I'm surprised by a couple of things:

1. Robert Young is still alive

2. He hasn't killed or seriously harmed anyone with his recommendations.

5 grams of protein? REALLY?

Off Topic / Re: The Great Health Debate
« on: February 09, 2011, 10:56:11 am »

Eating more alkaline food to produce more stomach acid?

Is there any truth to this at ALL?

Off Topic / Re: The Great Health Debate
« on: February 08, 2011, 10:52:41 am »
oh man this is awful.
Lol, he's currently saying almost everything we disagree with.

Off Topic / Re: The Great Health Debate
« on: February 08, 2011, 09:18:57 am »
Johnny Bowden knows his stuff.

I like how he points out how meat eater vs non meat eater data doesn't differentiate between meat eaters who eat pastured meat vs processed/junk food meat. People need to understand this. I doubt the other side would acknowledge this.

Off Topic / Re: The Great Health Debate
« on: February 08, 2011, 09:05:26 am »
Dang, they switched the schedule. I haven't heard of these two people, but I'm curious about what they have to say.

General Discussion / Re: Honey Wars
« on: February 07, 2011, 02:05:19 pm »
Does anyone have any experience with plain bee pollen? Did it improve anything?

Off Topic / Re: The Great Health Debate
« on: February 07, 2011, 01:58:36 pm »
He did bring forth the idea of eating raw animal foods, but seemed reluctant. He said he hardly cooks his meat, but um often doesn't. He is afraid of being called coo-coo, but I don't blame him. We all can't be me  8) LOL

I understand that he wouldn't. I mean most people are repulsed by the idea of raw animal foods. He wants to help people become healthier in a way that appeals to the common man. Not many people will be attracted to our diet. It is not ideal, but it is MUCH better than how someone would fare on the SAD. I respect him very much. If he went gung-ho about promoting raw meats, people will start to think he is nuts, and many people won't take many of his other good advice. I frequent his site, and there is always great information.

Off Topic / Re: The Great Health Debate
« on: February 07, 2011, 01:34:55 pm »
A thousand years ago milk was healthy, now things have changed. What was healthy in 1900, may not be healthy now" He also blamed Chernobyl for contaminating all of the grass, everywhere, which makes cows bad for eating.

My face when he said that

Off Topic / Re: The Great Health Debate
« on: February 07, 2011, 01:24:49 pm »
Interesting.If that's the case he should become a monk and stop selling health books  >D

He had sort of a vague, veiled way of assuming moral superiority like some religious people do.

On one hand he says that his way is not morally superior yet says eating plants is more spiritual.

Off Topic / Re: The Great Health Debate
« on: February 07, 2011, 01:21:24 pm »
Anyone interested needs to listen within the next 24 hours, when it will be taken down.

Off Topic / Re: The Great Health Debate
« on: February 07, 2011, 01:16:47 pm »
Cousins just said(reluctantly) he cares more about spirituality than health. LOL
The interview is over. Are you listening to it just now?

Off Topic / Re: The Great Health Debate
« on: February 07, 2011, 01:16:16 pm »
I want to listen because it's entertaining and I may learn something.

I hoping for epic lols tomorrow.

Sally Fallon vs. Dr. T Colin Campbell

The fail will surely be strong with this one. XD

Off Topic / Re: The Great Health Debate
« on: February 07, 2011, 12:52:44 pm »
Anyone listen to today's broadcast?

Whenever I listened to Dr. Cousens's single interview, sometimes it felt like a bloody religious sermon rather than a scientific debate. He also seems adept at pulling correlations from every source imaginable.

Mercola during his private interview mostly said what I had already known and thankfully he isn't so presumptuous.

The dual interview was so strange. They both had such differing opinions yet they seemed to be agreeing on everything. I wish hoping for more action.

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Non seafood Iodine and Manganese?
« on: February 04, 2011, 12:21:39 am »
On the carnivorous diet aren't we supposed to forgo veg and only eat animals? Since seaweed technically is a vegetable I thought the debate was out on I forgo it.

Why do you want to go on a completely carnivorous diet? It is not good to be completely dogmatic about dietary choices if it does no harm. I fell into that trap of dietary dogmatism once and I'm leery of falling for it again. If you become too concerned about rules you may be reluctant to change your habits when it is not working for you. Do what makes you feel best. Don't follow ideologies.

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Bowel Movements
« on: February 04, 2011, 12:20:27 am »
I've been eating low carb paleo. I have no problems with elimination but it happens much much less frequently. Probably they happen every 5 days or so.

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