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Off Topic / Re: Congress OKs 30,000 flying drones spying on Americans across U.S. cities
« on: February 09, 2012, 10:26:00 pm »
Quote from: CitrusHigh on February 09, 2012, 10:11:52 pm
Fair enough, better said: one more step towards an overt police state. Eventually the government will feel comfortable admitting it, but not until they are confident in their invulnerability and total control.
Why on earth would they admit anything once they have total control?

I'm with GS it is a police state. Those things would make the cold war secret services look like amateurs. No need recruting unreliable humans. Machine are honest...

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Hot Topics / Re: Ray Peat podcast...interesting!
« on: February 09, 2012, 09:19:02 pm »
For those whom like their oranges liquid and have juicer issues(or no juicer et all like me) I sometimes just blend a whole(organic) or peeled orance with some carrots and a little water and strain. Absolutely delicious! Generally I don't like high sugar juices like that but they serve me well as a (pre-)workout beverage.

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Hot Topics / Re: Ray Peat podcast...interesting!
« on: February 09, 2012, 09:14:27 pm »
Quote from: TylerDurden on February 06, 2012, 09:33:20 am
I just don't see any benefit for gelatin. Unless, cooking destroys so many nutrients that extra gelatin is somehow needed on a cooked-palaeodiet.
Perhaps it it the methods used to make gelatin from collagen(the raw precursor of gelatin) that give the health benefits. I personally noticed benefits from using bone broths(no more teeth sensitivity etc) but I use it for the magnesium and other minerals hadn't even thought about the gelatin I get along with it until i read some of Peats stuff after reading this thread.

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General Discussion / Re: Diet and Social Interactions
« on: February 08, 2012, 08:47:35 pm »
Quote from: Isthmus on February 08, 2012, 08:41:30 pm
Yet still I walked away thinking to myself why wasn't I just upfront?
People lie about just everything. If you manage to only lie a little bit about your diet and be socially accepted and succesfull your doing very well.

Sadly but true most people rather hear you tell an easy lie than accept an uncomfortable truth.

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Instincto / Anopsology / Re: Variety
« on: February 06, 2012, 07:41:53 pm »
ran out of money but luckily I just bought a load of free roaming beef produces. All i can afford to buy atm is 1l raw milk a day for my kefir. So the last couple of weeks it was just:

Beef muscle meat (all kinds)
" liver
" suet
" marrow
Raw milk Kefir(made with kefir grains)
Little raw honey (1/2 teaspoon a day or so)

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Active rest
« on: February 06, 2012, 05:51:01 pm »
Actually deadlifts do not significantly strenghten the lower back. It strenghtens the muscles of the hip and thighs. Research done using the medx lumbar extension machine (which measures isolated lowerback(erector spinea) strenght) has shown that deadlifts do not increase strength in that area.

Most people confuse flexibility in the lower back with hamstring flexibility. Flexibility in the lower back plane of movement is restricted by the desing of the spinal colum. The movement is restricted by the joints of the lumbar spinal discs. How far someone can bend over (reaching for toes) is determant bij the flexibility of the hamstring muscles. Stiff legged deadlifts exercise the hamstring muscles over a near ful range of movement. At the low point of a stif legged deadlift the movement is restricted by the hamstrings stretching. That is why the deadlift increases bent over flexibility. This should however not be confused with lower back flexibility.

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Active rest
« on: February 06, 2012, 04:47:36 pm »
Quote from: PrimiFit on February 06, 2012, 04:10:12 pm
That's a weird way to start a converastion with a person you don't know, man.
True. Apologies for that. I'm somewhat passionate about those things.
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Sure, the genetics determine a lot of thing but rarely it's purely so. There's also epigenetic factors. Our bodies adapt. People who sit all day, have shortened and elongated muscles in different parts of their bodies.
Genetics stay the same from birth to death. So thing based on genetics (like the lenght of a muscle) do not change from external influences. Epigenetic changes are seen in thing like behaviour not physical changes.
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Sure, training will also help to maintain some flexibility, but that's only if you train in a way that let's you stretch each muscle to its full length.
That is the only way to train with weights. If a movement is not full range(from fully stretched to fully contracted) it is of only very limited value.

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Active rest
« on: February 02, 2012, 11:12:32 pm »
Quote from: achillezzz on February 02, 2012, 01:01:41 am
Hit it raw.. Tell me something is there any relationship between the muscle bellies length of a person to his recovery abilities? I noticed all top level athletes be it the NBA the NFL.. Swimmers.. The top guys are all unique in their muscle bellies length!! They all have very long biceps very long calfs and long lower backs to a degree that their torsos are straight like a board.. On the other hand we got those people with very short biceps very short calfs round lower back torso strucutres and we barely see them at the top levels they just dont make it to that level.
Your reasoning is wrong. The people you see in prof sports are top athletes therefore they have superior recovery and long muscle bellies or they wouldn't be top athletes. That doesn't mean that the two are linked. Just that if you happen to have both you're much more likely to be a top athlete.(and thus seen by you)
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I also noticed that people with longer muscles shapes have more tendency towards slow twitch fiber types...
You noticed that how? by looking at endurance athletes? They almost always have long limbs and small muscles thus seem to have long muscles.
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which means red muscles fiber.. which means more blood supply which means better recovery ability.
Thats a rather strange conclusion.

Recovery has much more to do with the ability of the metabolic system to remove damage tissue and build new tissue. Organs like the liver an kidneys pay a huge role in this. Off course good nutrition makes a big difference.


We should never forget that when we look at athletes on tv that those (wo)man are pure genetic freaks. They have the perfect bodily proportion for their particular sport. A weightlifter has short limbs long muscles bellies combined with a lot of fast twitch fibre. An endurance athlete has long limbs and a lot of slow twitch fiber. They must have these specific features or they wouldn't be able to compete against the rest of them genetic freaks called world class athletes. We of course cannot say anything in general about those factors by looking at the 0,0001% genetic freaks of the population.

Also all top athletes have superior neurological ability. they can activate many more fibres at once than regular folks can. Even an endurance top atlete with small muscles and long limbs, and thus has very bad weightlifting proportions, is a rather strong lifter compared to av joe because of this.

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Active rest
« on: February 01, 2012, 08:02:18 pm »
Quote from: PrimiFit on February 01, 2012, 01:56:49 pm
Lifting does tend to adapt the muscles to be shorter...
Bullshit! The lenght of a muscle is determand entirely by genetics. Its flexibility might be effected by exercise. In fact it should be effected in a very positive manner by weight training. Lifting weights correctly(full range with strech/prestrech) will increase flexibility enormous.

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Today's workout?
« on: December 21, 2011, 07:59:49 pm »
New Pr on squats

Full squats 320lbs (145 kg) 8x

very happy with that.

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Pullin' a 556lb Deadlift weighing 157...
« on: December 02, 2011, 07:26:52 pm »
Quote from: nicolasfromreunionisland on December 02, 2011, 05:06:54 pm
I’m just speaking for GS who said he want to be strong.

Movnat training will be much more efficient to develop the maximum potential of your body. This is just stupid lifting and it’s not natural.  Look!! He needs a belt because our body was not designed to do such a thing!
http://movnat.com/
yeah i'm sure movnat wil make you lift 550+ lbs real fast. NOT!

Thats an incredible lift!

I dont agree with belts as i think they create weak spots in the body. it is better to train without them so that the stenght of the lower back grows in proportion with that of the rest of the body.

The deadlift is by far the most natural lift there is.

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Journals / Re: DogToffee takes it slow (healing journal)
« on: November 30, 2011, 08:02:45 pm »
Quote from: DogToffee on November 30, 2011, 06:36:39 pm
This is all really confusing and not my biggest concern right now. I just can't see tanning bed as a good option. I'll eat my vitamins and worry about this later.

So, day two without coffee. Drinking mate while writing this. I survived yesterday with three cups of green tea and the headache is almost gone now. I couldn't get enough sleep last night because my head felt so weird. Like small electric shocks going through my brain.

I usually eat my first meal in the afternoon, but today I was hungry when I woke up. Maybe I should start eating breakfast? Any suggestions that would help me heal?
Personally I believe vitamin D might have benefits. All other vitamins sups I believe are unnecessary at best and quite possibly hurtfull.

Great job on the quitting coffee! You are motivating me to throw out my 1 cup a day. I'm not really addicted to it and don't notice anything like headaches if I don't drink any. But I quite like to have that one little thing I can consume with my colleagues at work. Social pressure... its a bitch.

I would definitely start having breakfast! It really kicks in your metabolism, ends catabolism(resulting from an 10hr or so fast during the night) and re-initiates anabolism which you need to heal anything. Breakfast is king.

I drink a green juice immediately upon awaking. This really boost my energy and makes me very hungry ~30min later. Than I usually have a large meat/liver, fat meal. If it is impossible (due to work, social pressure etc) to eat lunch it is not really a problem because I alreade have had my best meal of the day.

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Journals / Re: DogToffee takes it slow (healing journal)
« on: November 30, 2011, 04:44:25 pm »
http://www.naturalmedicinejournal.com/article_content.asp?edition=1&section=3&article=262

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Hot Topics / Re: Vitamin D
« on: November 29, 2011, 05:38:02 am »
that first vid sounds sooo much like a selling talk. I do take vit d though and the same brand as shown in the beginning of the video(solgar). I really believe in vitamin d importance and noticed big improvements last winter. didn't take any this summer. Just started again.

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Instincto / Anopsology / Re: Is it dangerous to eat too much meat?
« on: November 27, 2011, 03:44:23 am »
Quote from: TylerDurden on November 27, 2011, 12:54:34 am
As for my own experience, I did far better on a (largely-cooked) 100 percent vegan diet than I ever did on cooked-palaeo, for instance. In short, the whole PUFA issue is a waste of time.
That's interesting because I did way, way better on an animal product heavy cooked paleo diet than on a largely vegetarian diet. When I was on a largely vegetarian cooked diet I always lacked energy and was cold very fast. Also recovery and healing were seriously compromised. A cooked paleo diet gave me steady energy, good recovery from exercise and general well being. RPD off course does the same and more.

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Instincto / Anopsology / Re: Is it dangerous to eat too much meat?
« on: November 26, 2011, 03:17:42 pm »
Quote from: TylerDurden on November 26, 2011, 02:16:23 pm
I do wish people wouldn't keep on subscribing to the any raw or cooked saturated fat is fine/All PUFAs are always bad, nonsense. It's utter b*ll. There are now multiple studies proving that cooked saturated fats are bad - granted, these studies usually blame all saturated fats in general when the real problem is that cooking foods high in saturated fats creates the highest amount of heat-created toxins. As for the PUFA issues, I have seen, time and again, people like Ray Peat using dodgy studies focusing on very highly processed PUFAs to wrongly pretend that all PUFAs, even in unprocessed, raw foods, are unhealthy as well - not logical at all.
pufas may not always be harmful but it is very hard to get them in that state. pufas are destroyed even by the smallest amounts of heat and very quickly oxidise, become rancid. Most good sources of pufas are either heated, irradiated or rancid. So i try to avoid them.

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Journals / Re: DogToffee takes it slow (healing journal)
« on: November 25, 2011, 07:36:00 pm »
Quote from: DogToffee on November 25, 2011, 07:26:49 pm
Can you tell me the brand you use? I have these: http://www.iherb.com/Healthy-Origins-Vitamin-D3-5-000-IU-360-Softgels/18335?at=0
I use solgar vit d3

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Hot Topics / Re: Are cooked vegetables all that bad?
« on: November 25, 2011, 04:46:02 pm »
Nice to see the rest of the world is slowly catching up with Dr weston price:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15823276
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2011/11/15/1113050108

Although I think they interpreted the research results wrong.

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General Discussion / Re: fat alternatives
« on: November 25, 2011, 03:12:41 pm »
Quote from: CitrusHigh on November 25, 2011, 10:38:07 am
If you are going to drink all the water in one sitting, eat plenty of fat and/or fiber to slow it down.
That's easy just eat the rest of the coconut...

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General Discussion / Re: Raw Chicken
« on: November 25, 2011, 03:40:25 am »
Quote from: Isthmus on November 25, 2011, 03:33:26 am
I ate some raw chicken for first time recently. It was fine. I blended it with some celery - it made the most disgusting looking thing I've seen in a while..
yes i can imagine! mixing whole veggies with meat will seriously hinder digestion as meat requires an acidic diestive enviremont and veggies alkaline.

can't imagine why anyone would want to blend meat.

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Raw Weston Price / Re: Question for Raw Dairy Drinkers
« on: November 25, 2011, 02:14:15 am »
Quote from: eveheart on November 24, 2011, 11:50:48 pm
It's impossible to see the changes in milk when it goes from raw to pasteurized, but I can draw a parallel with the changes that meat undergoes when raw meat is heated - flesh toughens, juices coagulate, flavor alters. Heated meat is not the same as raw meat in any way, so I conclude that heated milk is not the same in any way, either.
well actually you can see it. the viscosity is different. pasteurised homegenised milk flows like water raw milk is noticeably thicker.

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Journals / Re: DogToffee takes it slow (healing journal)
« on: November 24, 2011, 10:17:50 pm »
Quote from: DogToffee on November 24, 2011, 09:17:09 pm
I use black soap or tea tree & lemongrass, that's what I meant by antibacterial. Is that also bad for the good bacteria? I'm afraid to stop because I used to have horrible bacterial infections and those are now gone.
I'm not sure how antibacterial those are. Guess they are not really. If it works for you...
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How do you use kefir on skin? They don't sell it in Finland but I've eaten some when travelling abroad and can't really imagine how to use it.
The stuff you drank was probably commercial made with powdered starter(culture) and pasteurised grain fed milk. You can't buy real kefir. You should find someone willing to share some grains with you(they grow) than make it yourself from raw milk. That's the real kefir and beleve me it something entirely different than the stuf in stores. How to use? Well just rub it on like a lotion.

I only use butter on my skin when it is very dry. I have to wash my hands often at work and sometimes i get very dry hands. Butter is the only thing that can make them most and supple in a single "treatment". Even beats Coconut oil.

I had a small patch of skin that became infected a few months ago. Still don't know why but is was thick, red, painfull and had some pustules on it. I used a mixture of raw honey, VCO(virgin coconut oil) and butter on it. Worked very well in both soothing the pain/itching and healing the skin.

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Raw Weston Price / Re: Question for Raw Dairy Drinkers
« on: November 24, 2011, 07:55:17 pm »
Quote from: TylerDurden on November 24, 2011, 07:26:07 pm
I am trying to get someone to transition to a healthier diet than SAD. I doubt she will try rawpalaeo, but she may well be OK with the occasional raw egg or steak tartare and the like. Currently, I know of no easy way to get hold of raw milk around here, but the local supermarket has taken to selling lots of (albeit pasteurised) milk derived from cows fed only on grass, hay or herbs. I was wondering if this milk is worth getting, as I presume it is "less worse" than pasteurised milk from grainfed cattle. Any opinions welcome.
Raw grass fed milk is miracle food for me while pasteurised, no matter how fed, is dramatic. I think the homogenisation plays a big role though. From supermarket milk I get mucus and digestive issues. Not from raw milk. Kefir made from supermarket milk I can tolerate. I sometimes make that when I can't get raw milk to keep my kefir grains alive. It's nowhere near as good as raw milk kefir of course, but it certainly is less worse than plain supermarket milk.

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Journals / Re: DogToffee takes it slow (healing journal)
« on: November 24, 2011, 07:33:52 pm »
Your antibacteria regime seems very harsh to me! The skin has a protecting layer of "good" bacteria. They literally work by crowding out the bad ones. This is a very strong mechanism to protect the skin. I would give up the antibacterial soap and instead try to build up that layer of good bacteria. I can imagine that your regime of antibiotics and antibacterial soap has disturbed the natural balance of skin bacteria.

I sometimes use raw milk real kefir(made with grains) on my skin. It's very soothing and the good bacteria from the kefir combat any bad bacteria. The fats/proteins in it also feed the skin. I also really like butter on my skin but it does smell a bit after a while.

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Journals / Re: DogToffee takes it slow (healing journal)
« on: November 24, 2011, 07:28:21 pm »
Quote from: TylerDurden on November 24, 2011, 07:14:32 pm
Try raw honeycomb(heather tastes the best). This would be a better substitute for sugar. The coffee sounds horrible - it also notoriously fouls up one's glandular system. I would strongly suggest you switch over to herbal teas. Some herbal teas give a vibe/boost like coffee but won't have the negative side-effects of coffee.

If you can get hold of raw (grassfed or wild) thyroid from farms that would be very useful.
Could you specify which herb teas give you that boost? I personally get some(but nowhere near the one from coffee)boost from mint.

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