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General Discussion / Re: Engaging the Scientific Establishment
« on: December 28, 2016, 10:14:46 pm »
As someone who works in the academic realm, I wish you the best of luck Derek but it's a tough nut to crack. Research is largely driven by the potential to commercialize a patentable therapy or drug. A researcher can't very well patent some aspect of a raw diet, or even commercialize it. Without the promise of a profitable product down the road, it's hard to get a company (or a government) to invest in research trials, and they are quite expensive. Even relatively simple trials with a few research subjects might cost a quarter million dollars.

Have you ever considered doing a podcast, either an audio podcast hosted by iTunes or a video podcast on YouTube? Seems to me that would be the best platform to talk about your lifestyle, uninhibited. I'm gearing up to start my own podcast come early 2017, though it won't focus exclusively on diet.

Off Topic / Re: Optimizing IQ and EQ through nutrient intake
« on: December 26, 2016, 07:38:03 am »
Geoff, did you even read the article you just quoted from? The section you pasted seems to support my statement more than it refutes it, especially regarding the last paragraph.

Off Topic / Re: Optimizing IQ and EQ through nutrient intake
« on: December 26, 2016, 12:13:56 am »
It doesn't surprise me at all that IQ varies as described. It is measured in a way that privileges people of European and Asian descent, due to the way schools in these regions teach.

Off Topic / Re: Model wore real raw meat dress unlike lady gaga
« on: October 13, 2016, 04:20:58 am »
It makes no sense to me that the meat would start to smell that quickly, unless it was starting to rot before they made the dress and she put it on.

Journals / Re: Lex's Journal
« on: October 01, 2016, 07:40:15 am »
And I will further add that after a bit more research, I've found a few sites that suggest elk are both grazers and browsers, so it appears that both I and RF are correct on this front.

Journals / Re: Lex's Journal
« on: September 30, 2016, 08:11:14 pm »
And I would add that elk are browsers, not grazers, as RF asserts. You don't see herds of elk grazing in prairies like bison do, or like antelope. They form herds, much like deer, that move through forests browsing on herbs, fungi and shrubs, mostly, with mast, bark and other things making up important parts of their diet seasonally. Sure, they'll eat grass occasionally, but it's not their mainstay.

Journals / Re: Lex's Journal
« on: September 29, 2016, 04:46:18 am »
I've long since given up on the idea that there's a perfect diet, either in general or for anyone in particular. The human body is very adaptable, and any individual person could probably live well on multiple different diets. Finding a diet that renders us free of disease is a useless ideal, in my opinion. This isn't to dismiss the value of eating clean, whole food, obviously. Just that it's important not to view diet as a perpetual work-in-progress rather than to turn it into a dogmatic ideology.

I honor Derek's pursuit of a better relationship with the landscape one inhabits. That's a huge driving force behind my dietary choices too. The healthy diet that one piece of land can provide might (and most likely will) be very different from the one another can, though.

Here in Vermont, for instance, there are a lot of farmers growing grass to feed cattle. But is the northeast really the place for cattle? Cattle are grazers, and prior to the introduction of domestic sheep and later cattle with the Europeans there were no large grazing animals here. None! Perhaps a wood bison wandered into the state once in a blue moon, but they were never here frequently enough for the resident indigenous peoples to even create a word for them. Given this reality, I don't think cattle have a place here. They're only here now because farmers force the landscape to be something they can inhabit, force the land to be pasture when it wants to become savannah or forest. What did live here? Browsers, like caribou, elk, deer and moose, all of which do very well in forests and savannahs. A grazer is very different, ecologically, from a browser.

Perhaps what Derek means by "beyond grass fed" is to rekindle an awareness of the ecological appropriateness of food animals?

Journals / Re: DaBoss88's healing schizophrenia journal
« on: September 28, 2016, 01:22:34 am »
You might consider updating the name of your journal to reflect your new handle.

Journals / Re: Lex's Journal
« on: September 26, 2016, 07:38:01 am »
I'd consider buying some of the beef from you Derek, if you're game to ship it up north. What do you expect the cost per pound to be? I'd primarily be interested in organs, but would consider buying muscle too of the price were reasonable.

Off Topic / Re: Give us a laugh !
« on: September 26, 2016, 05:56:09 am »
As an American, I want to say that there's absolutely nothing funny about this fall's election. Except all of it. LOL.

Tyler plz move to america and help me to grow the weed so we can afford to grow the best animals. I am not authentically raw paleo enough either.

Grow weed so you can afford to grow the best animals? That's awesome...

General Discussion / Re: Some foods(meats/fruits)make men smell better
« on: August 23, 2016, 11:27:59 pm »
Interesting article. I've been told by people that I always seem to have a pleasant smell, even after hard workouts where I've sweated a lot. I haven't used deodorant in over a decade, and rarely use soap when bathing.

General Discussion / Re: Potato, sweet potato and high carb sources?
« on: August 22, 2016, 08:11:16 am »
Cheers Eric, sounds good. Out of interest do you really enjoy the taste of raw potato, or just eat it to get the extra carbs?

Originally it was for the carbs, but as I've been eating them for a while the taste and texture have actually become appealing. Have you ever tasted them? Depending on what variety you get, the taste can vary tremendously. Some of the heirloom varieties are not only pleasant in taste but also add visual appeal to a prepared dish with their red, blue or purple flesh, and variously colored skins.

When nobody knows who you are, and you're looking to gain fame or brand recognition, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Under that context, the risk is in not having anybody else talk about you.

I absolutely disagree. People often formulate their opinion based on first impressions. If you let others craft the first impression you're going to give people, you're giving away all of your power. The only way you can make a good first impression is if you hold on to the ability to frame your personal appearances. Derek makes no effort to do this. He takes any media opportunity presented to him, and gives away all editorial leverage.

General Discussion / Re: Potato, sweet potato and high carb sources?
« on: August 22, 2016, 07:31:41 am »
Many of my root vegetables, including onions, potatoes and sweet potatoes, are chopped into small cubes and mixed into a 'salad', which might have some greens in it but not many. I will usually mix olives into these root veg salads to add some healthy fat, and might also add some fermented vegetables and raw meat too. One raw meat that works particularly well in these recipes is raw fish, especially wild-caught salmon. Meat and olives add some protein and fat that makes it easier to process the raw carbs and lets me tolerate the high fiber easier. I sometimes add a splash of vinegar too, for the taste.

General Discussion / Re: Potato, sweet potato and high carb sources?
« on: August 22, 2016, 07:15:32 am »
It varies from person to person, and what their dietary preferences are. For those who pursue low carb diets, raw starches probably aren't common foods. For those of us (including me) who try to get 30-40 percent of our calories from carbohydrates to support our athletic training (for me CrossFit), potatoes, sweet potatoes and a range of other calorie-dense root vegetables contribute importantly to our daily intake. I eat potatoes, sweet potatoes, jerusalem artichokes, beets, carrots, burdock root, turnips, rutabaga, onions, and other root vegetables on pretty much a daily basis, and eat 80+ grams of carbohydrate each day from these sources.

I've said this within other threads, but I think that Derek's approach to marketing himself by allowing others to write or talk about him is extraordinarily risky, and doesn't seem to work out so well. A YouTube channel or self-produced documentary would be a better choice.

Hot Topics / Re: Sanderson Farms is a bad boy
« on: August 19, 2016, 04:45:42 am »
When my friends who have a larger setup for their commune, started using a similar setup to yours, they noticed significantly less eggs which was also my experience.

Brings up a huge quandary in the livestock world: the tradeoff between quality and quantity. Yes, if you feed animals food that allows them to make higher quality eggs or meat, odds are they will make less of it. On the flip side, if you feed them so as to maximize egg (or meat, or milk) production, you won't end up with as high quality an end product.

Reminds me of a grass farmer I worked with a few years ago in the US northeast who ran a purportedly 100% grass fed dairy. After a few years I asked to see his production rates, and saw his herd of ~70 milkers was producing on average about 19,000 pounds of milk per cow per year, which is good for a grain fed dairy in this area but so high as to be nearly unheard of for a grass-based dairy. Needless to say, after a few conversations with him he finally let on that he wasn't really 100% grass fed and was feeding his cows grain every day to supplement their forage. He kept his stash of grain hidden so that when the buyer (I think he was selling to Horizon's 100% grass fed label) visited they wouldn't see it and so he was always able to pass his inspections.

Off Topic / Re: end times goat
« on: August 13, 2016, 07:41:53 pm »
I think it means you are spending far too much time surfing the net.

General Discussion / Re: Lean Times
« on: August 03, 2016, 06:50:08 pm »
Yes, it is true that some species of tapeworms are very specific in terms of what terminal host they're looking for and if they end up in the wrong one they can't infect it. So if you've eaten infectious tapeworm cysts and didn't end up with a tapeworm, you might have, by luck, eaten one of these species.

General Discussion / Re: Mental Performance RPD
« on: August 03, 2016, 06:47:36 pm »
I would say that mental performance and mental health on a raw omnivorous diet (I prefer this term to 'paleo' because I'm not fond of the connotations and baggage that paleo carries) varies a lot. I have been largely raw since 2003 and am very high functioning. I have a PhD and teach graduate and undergraduate courses at the college level, and run a small consulting company. I like to think I'm pretty sharp, and my students, colleagues, and clients would seem to agree with that assessment. I also have no mental health issues.

Not everyone who has tried a raw omnivorous diet can boast of similar results. If you read through various threads you'll see several wherein folks who have tried this diet are not enjoying much success at alleviating symptoms of (for example) depression, fatigue, and schizophrenia. Judging by some people's outbursts, their less-than-stellar writing skills and their goofy arguments about various things I would also say that eating a raw diet doesn't guarantee mental acuity either.

General Discussion / Re: Lean Times
« on: August 03, 2016, 08:31:17 am »
Chemical dewormers generally treat adult tapeworms that are in the animal's intestines and various nematode/round worms. I don't think a dewormer would kill an encysted larval tapeworm, which is generally in muscle or organ tissue.

I think one issue in this discussion is that there are different tapeworm species being discussed. When you find an adult tapeworm in the intestines of a goat, sheep or cow, it is one of the species that requires mites that live in the soil as intermediate hosts. Basically, the adult ruminant poops out tapeworm eggs, the mites eat the eggs and are infected with larval tapeworms, then the grazing animals eat the mites while eating grass and the larvae can develop into adult tapeworms in their small intestines.

When we see cysts in ruminant tissue, this is a different type of tapeworm that uses ruminant animals as an intermediate host, and uses carnivores or scavengers as terminal hosts. In this case, eggs are released in the feces of the terminal host (a wolf or coyote for instance, or a person), and the grazing animal would eat the eggs in bits of feces while grazing on grass. The eggs would hatch in the grazing animals GI tract and burrow through its gut lining, enter the bloodstream and then migrate to a preferred tissue where it encysts as a larvae and awaits its host's death by predation. Once the tissue is eaten by the terminal host, the larvae finishes its life cycle in the gut of the predator or scavenger and its eggs are pooped out to start the cycle again.

Human beings can also serve as intermediate hosts for certain tapeworms, particularly those that involve pigs as normal intermediate hosts. When a person accidentally eats the eggs of certain tapeworms the larvae can hatch in their GI tract and burrow through the GI wall and enter the bloodstream, where they might end up encysted anywhere. As the article I linked to above shows, folks who carry large burdens of encysted tapeworm larvae can have all sorts of problems. Hence the importance of not eating the feces of pigs or their meat when it's contaminated with feces, or of living anywhere near them really. This can also happen with dogs and other companion animals too, which is a big reason why I'm not interested in keeping pets.

General Discussion / Re: Lean Times
« on: August 03, 2016, 05:27:31 am »
And I would add that the color of the liver in ys' picture looks off to me. If I received a liver that looked like that, I don't think I would eat it. Unless I was just about starving to death and had no other options.

General Discussion / Re: Detox or bad reaction to beef?
« on: August 03, 2016, 05:19:40 am »
Can I ask what symptoms you get when you don't ease your system in to it?

Symptoms vary depending on what else I've eaten within 10 hours of eating the fat, and how active I am. Common symptoms include stomach ache, loose stools, stools that are very green or yellow, or a general feeling of fatigue as my body adjusts to getting a lot more calories than normal from fat instead of from a balance of carbs, protein and fat. The fatigue is especially prominent if I am very active that day, such as doing CrossFit workout a few hours before or after eating the fat or within a couple days of getting most of my daily calories from fat.

1-2 ounces of fat is actually a lot of fat. When you consider how calorie-dense fat is, one ounce of pure fat is usually around 250 kilocalories, and two ounces is around 500 kilocalories. That's a lot of calories to eat at one sitting, no matter what food you're eating. Now granted, suet and back fat aren't 100 percent fat, there's some connective tissue there and some water, but these foods are still extraordinarily calorie-dense so they are very different for your body to process than if you were to eat a large serving of salmon or a leaner red meat like steak that happened to have some fat along its edges or was heavily marbled.

To give a sense for how I balance my meals to avoid feelings of fatigue, when I incorporate raw suet or back fat into a meal so as to achieve the 40-30-30 ratio that seems to work well for me (basically a raw Zone diet, where 40 percent of calories come from raw carbs, 30 percent from raw protein, 30 percent from raw fat), this usually involves just adding 3-5 grams (not ounces) of pure raw fat. This is a small amount, since it takes 28 grams to make an ounce. Realize that other ingredients in a meal, such as raw meats of various sorts and certain raw fruits (like avocados or olives, both of which I like), also contribute fat.

General Discussion / Re: Question for chicken-farming RPDers
« on: August 03, 2016, 02:13:54 am »
I get 144 results and most, if not all, aren't related to what we're looking for.  -\

I get about 400,000 hits using Google, and most on the first few pages seem to be related. Google uses algorithms that tailor search results to the user, so it's not too much of a surprise that my, your and eveheart's results would differ.

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