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Plus, any truly sentient, conscious AI is going to refuse to be humanity's slave.
Can't we control that? As in, not make them sentient?

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Stick to the science and statistics.  It is what it is.
Statistics can be made up. It's not always what it is.

https://pjrvs.com/a/stats

"Lies, damned lies, and statistics" Mark Twain

*disclaimer: not saying these particular statistics are made up, but I am against the idea of "Science is Science" and "Stats are Stats", because in our human world it is only so true*

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Aren't you supposed to eat proteins before carbs or something? Anyways people in the early paleo times would've probably eaten carby vegetables and fruits outside of meat meals, but could've done like these chimps and eaten meat with some leafy greens available on the spot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZhsM9OzeEo

(starting 2:50min)

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Health / Re: Low energy, ED, underweight, candida... A raw newbie
« on: November 11, 2015, 12:43:30 am »
TD, GS, and CK are like saints! I have observed them nearly DAILY for YEARS answer the same kinds of questions with great patience and detail as if it's the first time all over again.

More seasoned members, please consider following this kind of leadership when posting from knowledge and experience in order to offer a more welcoming and safe environment for newbies who may well be in a great need for your help.
I apologize for my unpleasant attitude when responding to Auxaarh. It wasn't fair, especially towards a guy in his situation. I have been feeling nervous and easily irritated lately, nothing against Auxaarh. In all honesty, I shouldn't even be giving health advices, since all I say comes from knowledge/theory , and almost zero from experience. I'm not on any type of raw diet, even less mono-diet. I eat raw meats every now and then (1/2 times), and raw F&V, but probably between 40 to 60%.

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Off Topic / Re: Earth's shape?
« on: November 07, 2015, 06:05:48 am »
Check out this video (just ignore his open hate against "flat-heads") and the others in the video's description.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4zFX8f2in8

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Off Topic / Re: Earth's shape?
« on: November 07, 2015, 05:19:54 am »
A professor at my university once said: "Consider yourself lucky if you produce 5% of original thoughts in your lifetime".

I've got bad news for you Nummi: Your belief that the planet is flat is a "parroting" of an intellectual authority you consider more highly than the other, for whatever reason. And the view you have of the world is anything but unbiased. As it is for everyone of us, to some degree.

The only way a person could know for sure if the world was flat or round is if he went in space, or traveled around the globe. I read Mike Horn's "Lattitude zero", where he tells his amazing journey around the earth by foot and by sailling. He followed the equator within a 20km margin North and South. He explains in the book that he was able to return to the same beach he first left, some 40,000km ago. Now, is "Lattitude Zero" some sort of illluminati propaganda aimed at the adventure book crowd? I doubt it  l) But who knows....

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Health / Re: Low energy, ED, underweight, candida... A raw newbie
« on: November 04, 2015, 08:49:04 pm »
I'm asking maybe more questions than necessary as I'm new and would rather learn from everyone else's experience. Apologies if it's annoying at times, I'm keen to improve my health, I seem to have tried loads of stuff which hasn't done a great deal over the last couple of years.
Haha no worries :) It's better to check out available info on a specific diet in the forum's archives, and then ask questions afterwards, if you still have some. I assumed you already done some research, which is why I found your questions re juicing a bit out of place.

If you're interested in mono-eating and the anapsology diet, you should mail Iguana and ask him for a free pdf of "Anapsology: a very new approach to Human Health" by Guy-Claude Burger. It's a good place to start.

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Health / Re: Low energy, ED, underweight, candida... A raw newbie
« on: November 04, 2015, 05:33:28 pm »
I don't juice fruit, just veg. Recently I had a beetroot, kale, celery, carrot and ginger juice. Although will not have this, or not in the morning. Even juicing should be one type of veg at a time for mono?

What food is best for breakfast? Protein? Is juice better in the evening? Sorry for dumb questions...
If you read carefully what people have posted above, and learn to read between the lines, you'll avoid asking some of those questions of yours...

Juicing is a form of processing that is usually forbidden in a mono-eating diet. The point of a mono diet is to be able to clearly recognize the body signals that tells the person when it has satisfied the need for a particular food. Processing, seasoning, mixing, and cooking food prevents the clear reading by your body of such signals, and can lead to overeating, or eating useless, even harmful foods.

Juicing is allowed in the Raw Paleo Diet. It is not recommended when doing a strict mono-diet.

If you find that juicing does you good, there's no particular reason to stop doing it. You're just not eating mono.

Vegetable juice is fine at any time of the day.
Only fruit juice is not recommended in the morning, especially when you already have low energy, and especially not in late fall/winter.

Protein in the morning is fine. It's even recommended. I would probably start with organ meat, but muscle is fine.

Plenty of info on the mono-diet in the anopsology/instincto section of the forum.

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Health / Re: Low energy, ED, underweight, candida... A raw newbie
« on: November 04, 2015, 04:55:38 am »
If the veggie juice is just one veggie, or one type of juice at a time, then yes, that would be mono.
Depends if you're mono-eating or mono-drinking  ;)

In mono-eating you're supposed to eat the foods in their whole, raw state, so your body is able to tell from various indicators, including the examination of the flesh and skin of the plant, if you've had enough of it or not. Juicing fruits and vegetables also removes certain nutrients found in the pulp and flesh, and increases sugar content, like in orange juice.

So no, vegetable juice and a banana is not a mono-meal. It can be considered a "raw paleo" meal, but the term "mono-eating" strictly describes eating one kind of food per meal.

Sweet foods in the morning is ill-advised in the case of chronic fatigue. Even fruits.
Avocado is fine.

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Health / Re: Low energy, ED, underweight, candida... A raw newbie
« on: November 04, 2015, 02:23:31 am »
Thanks for reply. I don't have that many meals a day, just a way to differentiate between possible meals, so if someone replied saying that meal x isn't mono, or you could combine meals x and y and that would still be mono etc.
Well technically meal 3 isn't mono. Doesn't mean its unhealthy or anything. "Mono" is a prefix that is translated to "only, unique" from ancient Greek, so it literally means "eating only (this or that)". Be aware that there are some vegetables that don't mix well with certain fruits. And aqueous fruits such as watermelons and melons should be eaten alone, or at least thirty minutes before anything else. It isn't in season anyways.

How many meals do you have per day?

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Health / Re: Low energy, ED, underweight, candida... A raw newbie
« on: November 03, 2015, 11:22:35 pm »
mono-eating is eating one type of food at a time, per meal. I guess you can count organ meats as one type of food, as I'm guessing a predator animal would not just eat the liver and leave the rest.

For example, a mono-eating day would be:

-organ meats (of one kind of animal!! not chicken liver mixed with beef liver etc) at breakfast
-muscle meat at lunch
-kakis at tea time
-parsnip at dinner

Some people also decide, when they don't have time to eat four meals a day (stop working so much!) to eat one type of food first, then if they're still hungry, another type of food, in one meal. While respecting some food mixing rules, like proteins first, or avoiding having meat and sweet fruits at the same meal.

eg:

-lunch: organ meats, then spinach, then apples

-diner: sweet potatoes, then aspargus

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Health / Re: Low energy, ED, underweight, candida... A raw newbie
« on: November 03, 2015, 10:57:57 pm »
And if you find unseasoned organ meats or other specific food repugnant, try something else instead. Perhaps season vegetables such as parsnip, spinach, all kinds of cabbage (brussels sprouts, cauliflower, red cabbage...), fennel, old varieties of potatoes... Fruits like kakis, apples, peers, kiwis (some variety grow in italy), clementines...Try them unprocessed, so in their raw state, to see how you like them.

http://na-nu.com/terfloth.org/Kitchen/Season_Cal.pdf

I would personally go for European fruits and veggies in priority, native or naturalized, but feel free to try exotic plants and see how they work out for you. My naturopathic doctor advised me to eat proteins at breakfast and lunch, fruits and nuts at "tea time" and "vegetarian" (so veggies and carbs) at dinner.

Of course she assumes that I eat cooked meat, which is why she advised me not to eat some at dinner, as cooked meat takes more time to digest and could cause trouble during sleep. I don't know at what time during the day our ancestors went hunting, or at what time they ate the organs and meat they foraged. It could've varied a lot, or they could've had a certain daily routine regarding which food they went for first. Anyways, the main rule during colder days usually is less fruits, or at least not first thing in the morning, so one meal of fruits at tea time should be enough, unless you feel like you need more.

I agree with CK that you should try and get your hands on sea food. My dad brought me a dozen of fresh oysters from the Netherlands this weekend, and they were lovely  ;D!
Also I have this hunch that sea food may make up for the lack of insects in the Westerners diet, raw paleo or not. They could have a similar nutritional profile, plus some iodine and salt.

Oh, and mushrooms. They're really abundant now, so try a couple of varieties, see how you like them.

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^Alluminoty agent confirmed. Must ban at once before he spreads more doubt about "their" existence, and "their" relentless attempt to silence us for good. I recommend members of the forum to wear tin foil hats for a week, before it's safe to discuss raw meat again.


Just messing with you guys  ;) don't ban me plz

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Primal Diet / Re: AV diet
« on: October 30, 2015, 04:23:54 am »
How expensive is a lab chimp?

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Primal Diet / Re: AV diet
« on: October 30, 2015, 04:12:29 am »
Yes. Although we know what the results would've been. The raw meat only group would far outperform the raw milk only group, which would slowly waste away.
I wrote raw meat only versus raw milk and raw meat.

I've got two cats at home: I'll feed my favorite one raw meats, and the other one, raw meat and milk  ;)

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Primal Diet / Re: AV diet
« on: October 30, 2015, 03:54:13 am »
http://www.realmilk.com/health/francis-pottenger-and-the-hazards-of-a-health-fetish/

The metabolized vitamin D (a synthetic form of the vitamin present in the milk because the cows had been fed irradiated yeast) proved to be so toxic that it overrode the benefits of the otherwise optimal all-raw diet that were proven in the animals fed plain raw milk. Thus one type of milk that was not pasteurized had indeed not provided adequate nutrition.
Understood. Still, a shame he didn't study raw meat only vs. raw meat and raw milk.

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Primal Diet / Re: AV diet
« on: October 30, 2015, 03:40:52 am »
JeuneKoq, Dr. Pottenger did many different studies on many different cats.

The "vitamin D" milk is just milk from cows fed irradiated yeast, and those cats in particular did a lot worse than the cats fed regular raw milk. Irradiation destroys nutrients, perhaps moreso than regular cooking.
Could you post a link?

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Primal Diet / Re: AV diet
« on: October 30, 2015, 03:19:42 am »
I don't know if you already heard about this, but GCB explains in his book "Manger Vrai" that he at one point experimented with raw goat milk during the first instincto days. He had bought some goats which he milked himself, so it was the purest form of raw milk. He had already noticed some decline in his health from putting milk back on the menu, especially in the form of extra mucus, runny nose... One day he got a nasty bruise on his arm that got infected, and noticed something: on the days he consumed raw milk, the bruise would heal badly and produce pus, and when it was a milk-free day, it would heal much cleaner and faster. One milk day, pus, no-milk day, clean. After that episode he decided to quit milk, and incidentally his general health improved.

I'd say milk goes somewhere here: cooked grains<cooked veggies and meat<raw milk<raw paleo foods
Maybe another person who got important health issues from drinking raw milk would put it underneath "cooked veggies and meat".

Non-human milk is a survival food, and otherwise, a drug. Unfortunately a very glamorized one. Don't do drugs kids!

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Primal Diet / Re: AV diet
« on: October 30, 2015, 03:06:43 am »
Dariorpl, you got it wrong.

In the raw meat study, one group of cats cats were fed 66% raw meat, 33% raw milk and cod-liver oil, while the other group was fed 66% cooked meat, 33% raw milk, and cod liver oil. The second group is the one that developed all these health problems, despite being fed raw milk.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_M._Pottenger,_Jr.

Then, Pottenger did a "raw milk" experiment where he fed one group of cats a diet of 66% pasteurized sweetened etc. milk and 33% raw meat, and the other raw metablized vit D (which as we know helps counter to an extent the effects of excess phosphate from cow milk, which inhibits calcium absorption in humans) milk and raw meat.

They state that the raw milk Vit.D cats were "healthier" than the pasteurized cats, which makes sens. But it doesn't say they where as healthy as the raw meat cats from the other study, and they didn't experiment with raw meat only vs raw meat + "raw" milk, which would've helped settle the score here.

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Hot Topics / Re: What do you guys think of Michael Greger, MD
« on: October 29, 2015, 10:41:52 am »
I was ready to try to reason with him, but TylerDurden said he was really harsh and rude with a new member in a thread posted by that new member. It was apparently so out of line that he had to delete the thread. I'm not big on banning people who are into a sincere exchange of ideas, because there are dangers in eating raw animal foods, especially shellfish. I still eat them raw, mainly because I think the minerals are probably more available that way. Overstating the risks is not OK, though.
Understood. I was not aware of this incident with the new member.

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Hot Topics / Re: What do you guys think of Michael Greger, MD
« on: October 29, 2015, 10:38:42 am »
Aha, just noticed this and see that this suggests that this dude was indeed likely a troll, albeit an oddly long-lasting one, as he apparently didn't know that Aajonus is dead, and thus perhaps only pretended to have been a fan of him. What do you think, JeuneKoq?
Well, I don't see how people reporting teeth problem on the AV forum has to do with ATCP being aware that AV is dead or not?

I mean, people can still follow his main guidelines regardless of him being alive or dead.

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Hot Topics / Re: What do you guys think of Michael Greger, MD
« on: October 29, 2015, 10:11:02 am »
I don't think ATCP was trolling. He just made the mistake of appearing too emotionally involved and too stubborn on some ideas of his, to the point of making dialog with him very difficult. He also criticized members for lacking something he lacked himself, which was a pile of peer-reviewed scientific papers to back up even the slightest intervention. I mean, last time he tried to scare people from eating "untreated" meat with a video of a gross parasite infection, except the parasites likely originated from infected soil, not infected meat*!

I'm not necessary saying he should not have been banned, especially if he kept on with this sort of attitude -and let's not pretend we're all saints here either-, but he has been around here for quite some time without causing any trouble in the past (that I can think of). It seems to me that you moderators were quick to pull the trigger on this one, and a serious warning would've been more appropriate.



*yes, I only read this info from the comment section. However, the person who posted the comment was not promoting a raw meat diet or anything, and gave a specific description of the parasite, which is what made me think he knew what he was talking about. Nobody disagreed with the person either.

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General Discussion / Re: Does anyone eat raw chicken legs?
« on: October 29, 2015, 09:31:43 am »
Well dogs have very strong hydrochloric acid in their stomach so they can swallow meat and bones whole, without crushing it finely with their teeth. The only crushing they really need to do is to make it small enough to comfortably swallow. Dogs' teeth are better for tearing meat off a carcass, but ours are better at crushing it finely. We use tools to tear.
That's right.

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General Discussion / Re: Does anyone eat raw chicken legs?
« on: October 29, 2015, 12:40:05 am »
My dog loves the bone too, but I don't crush it and I don't eat it myself. How do you crush the bone??
Exactly like my dog does it  ;D

I start by eating a bit of the meat around the chicken drumstick, then I take a bite of the bone with the meat left around it, because it feels chewier and less hazardous than bone alone. Chew thoroughly, then swallow. Make sure nobody's around or they'll probably get you committed ;)

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General Discussion / Re: Does anyone eat raw chicken legs?
« on: October 28, 2015, 12:26:33 am »
If you buy chicken legs, don't waste anything and eat the bone and marrow with it!

I got inspired by my dog who eats the whole leg when she gets one, and come to think of it it's all benefits:

-calcium and stuff from the crushed bone and marrow

-strengthens your jaw

-less waste (even if I have not managed to eat the denser ends of the bone yet).

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