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Off Topic / Re: 65 Million Yrs Ago My A** - time to revise the time scales
« on: September 20, 2010, 04:25:19 am »
Calm yourself, GS.  The National Geographic video says plainly that it's a fossil like all others, just with fossilized skin and organs too.  This just means it was much less disturbed during the fossilization process than other fossils.

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Hot Topics / Re: After sex?
« on: September 20, 2010, 04:16:55 am »
I am exactly the opposite.  After "the deed is done" I enjoy cuddling with my partner, sometimes even partaking in intimate conversation. 

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General Discussion / Re: kidney
« on: September 20, 2010, 04:14:19 am »
Great links Geoff.  Kind of odd that you stuck them randomly here, though.

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General Discussion / Re: kidney
« on: September 19, 2010, 08:08:07 am »
Kidney has a different taste, smell and texture than muscle meats and heart.  It is very similar to liver.  I can't speak to the freshness of the one you ate, but the texture of both fresh kidney and liver puts some people off.  It's something it takes time to get used to, but once you're used to it both organs are very nutrient dense and incredibly valuable.  I started experimenting with fresh meats, fats and organs last December, and now freely eat all organs without hesitation.

I wonder if you're just struggling to get used to the smell, taste or texture?

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Health / Re: Salmonella food poisoning
« on: September 19, 2010, 07:46:32 am »
When I got my case of salmonella, I drank a teaspoon of cold pressed apple cider vinegar in a glass of water.  The first dose stopped my diarrhea immediately, and after a couple doses take a couple hours apart my stomach and intestines felt calm enough to try eating.  After a day I was eating normally again, and after three days I stopped taking the vinegar water and the salmonella never came back.

I'd recommend this if the diarrhea is still a problem for you.

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General Discussion / Re: Aajonus Vonderplanitz on the doctors
« on: September 18, 2010, 12:56:01 am »
My driver says he tried some raw beef and saw improvements in his skin immediately but he can't afford beef.  Too bad.

Good samaritan, eh?

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Hot Topics / Re: Merged DR discussions...
« on: September 17, 2010, 08:54:58 pm »
Eating their own feces is something a few herbivores do, mainly those that do not have the multiple-stomach digestive system of ruminants.  Omnivores, with the exception of pigs (which eat anything) and occasionally chimpanzees (which are largely herbivores in the wild) generally don't eat feces.  We're omnivores.  Feces is not something we're probably supposed to be eating.

And chill out.  No one's attacking you.  If AV wants to defend himself, he's capable of doing it himself.

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General Discussion / Re: Aajonus Vonderplanitz on the doctors
« on: September 16, 2010, 09:12:15 pm »
I also think AV would benefit a lot by cutting out dairy and radically reducing his consumption of honey.  But I don't know the guy or have any vested interest in him, so he can eat whatever he wants.  Even fecal matter, if he pleases.

The diet he recommends is entirely artificial.  No human being has had access to the types of foods he advocates in the quantities he advocates until the industrial era.  At that, given the high cost of quality raw dairy, raw honey and raw meat, the Primal Diet is largely a diet for the elite.

I've butchered doe that had been lactating, and out of a 130 pound (field dressed) animal you can expect maybe a quart of milk.  The doe constantly produces milk and the fawns constantly consume it, so there isn't a lot in storage at any one time.  Most females only lactate seasonally, so the percentage of kills that have milk would only rise to 50% when the females are nursing their fawns.  Nursing usually only lasts for the summer for whitetail deer, so if you kill a doe any other time of year there will be no milk. 

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Hot Topics / Re: Merged DR discussions...
« on: September 16, 2010, 08:58:04 pm »
The article that DR wrote on his blog is tough to argue against.  The things he attributes to AV are accurate, as best I can recall.  I can't vouch for the stories about people he personally knows and their maladies, of course.

As I've mentioned on other threads, I do not hold Aajonus Vanderplanitz in particularly high esteem.  I don't think RPDers gain any value by associating with him.  I agree with his assertions in some cases, but it's easy to interpret him as a goofball because of some of his more extreme and bewildering assertions (eating shit, for instance). 

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Primal Diet / Re: Primal diet books?
« on: September 15, 2010, 07:51:45 pm »
I've read both books now.  Not all that impressed...  I'm sure raw dairy works well for him (or maybe it doesn't, he just manages to convince himself it does?) but it certainly doesn't work with me.

I can't recommend either of these books.

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Health / Re: Salmonella food poisoning
« on: September 15, 2010, 10:35:18 am »
I also got salmonella poisoning the one time I tried eating raw chicken.  I don't eat raw chicken anymore; I stick to herbivores exclusively.  I'll occasionally eat eggs, though.

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Health / Re: Diarrhea 5-10 hours after raw beef consumption
« on: September 15, 2010, 10:01:40 am »
...It could be
1. Detox. I recently came back from vacation and ate a larger variety of cooked and processed foods than usual. Could I be cleaning up now?
2. Fat malabsorption
3. Sensitivity to processing method

It could be all sorts of things, I think you're being too limiting on potential culprits.  I personally don't buy the "Detox as the universal diagnosis".  I think this is people fooling themselves into thinking they're doing something good for their bodies when they obviously are not.

Do you eat because you are hungry, or do you eat out of habit?

What type of ground beef do you buy?  Organic or conventional?  Grass fed/finished or grain fed/finished?  Is the beef ground at a processing facility, or at the market where you buy it from?  How far away is it shipped from?   

I'd consider taking a few days off eating a letting your digestive system rest for a bit.  There might be a bug in your gut lingering from your vacation, or you might have gotten something from your ground beef.  Even organic meats are not always particularly clean or healthy; the organic label has been co-opted by corporate growers and doesn't give you much information about the quality of the product anymore.

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General Discussion / Re: Tea?
« on: September 15, 2010, 09:47:20 am »
The major reason you put your tea bag in hot water is not to cook the tea, but rather to speed the process of dissolving useful compounds out of the tea leaves or herbs into the water.  Water doesn't have to be hot for this to happen, but the cooler the water is the longer it takes to dissolve a meaningful amount of the compounds you want. 

What I've started doing is harvesting my own tea herbs, and drying them at room temperature and out of the sun (sunlight makes some compounds in some herbs more available, but breaks down most compounds in most herbs, rendering them less available and/or less medicinal).  Once the leaves are dried, I store them in airtight jars in a cool, dry, dark place.

When I want to consume them, I'll fill a jar with water, put in the herbs, and leave it out for a day or so, until the water takes on the color of the tea.  If I want something warming, I'll pour this (straining out the bits of herbs) into a pot and warm it slowly until it's above my body temperature but not hot enough that I feel like I'm at risk of being burned while my finger is in the warming water.  I've found that this is warm enough to give me the warming feeling I used to associate with hot tea, while still keeping the temperature low enough to avoid cooking the herbs.

Finally, although I have a lot of herbology books, I'm becoming skeptical of a lot of the claims made regarding the medicinal properties of herbs.  I think placebo effect plays an enormous role much (though not all) of the time.  I've also met several herbalists who doctor themselves with all their fantastic concoctions, and many of them just aren't healthy people.  That alone makes me wonder...

Still, some herbs are very nutrient dense, and are worth keeping around for winter when fresh green plants are gone.  I stock up on dandelion root, burdock root, red clover flowers, and nettle leaves.  The roots and the nettle leaves are among the most nutrient dense plant foods available in my part of the world, by virtue of their life strategies (i.e. send deep taproots into the subsoil to draw minerals up that most other plants don't gain access to).  I have to work for the dandelion and burdock roots, but nettle grows so abundantly that i can fill a pillowcase with fresh leaves in an hour.  Clover flowers yield an antioxidant rich, sweet tea that just tastes nice, and the flowers are very easy to gather, like nettle leaves.

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Info / News Items / Announcements / Re: Meat? Environmentally friendly?
« on: September 15, 2010, 12:49:31 am »
There's no relationship between prions and cooking.  Let's put that to rest.  Two entirely separate issues.

It's always risky to base one's judgment of a book on the summary made by a reviewer, particularly a journalist.  Journalists, in my experience, are not the brightest lot and often make errors of interpretation.  I haven't read the book yet myself, but until I do I will not comment on it per se.  Except to say that it's on my list of things to read, and has successfully bumped several other books and articles so as to end up very near the top.

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General Discussion / Re: Bone marrow vs suet?
« on: September 13, 2010, 01:30:56 am »
I prefer marrow, but will also eat suet.  Marrow, when fresh, has a pleasant creamy flavor that reminds me of a mixture between butter and parmesan cheese. 

Phil, what supermarket do you get your marrow and suet from?  I usually special order from City Market.  I've only bought marrow once, as it came in a 6 pound bag and I only just finished it.  I've got another special order in there, just waiting for them to fill it as they don't get marrow every time they get a side of grass-fed-and-finished beef delivered.

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General Discussion / Re: Stomach pains from raw beef?
« on: September 13, 2010, 01:25:46 am »
What did you eat the meat with?  I've never had any discomfort after eating raw meat by itself, but if I've eaten it with a grain-based food or beans it's lead to discomfort.  I attributed it to bad combinations of foods, and generally eat raw my by itself now, separated from any other food by at least an hour.

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General Discussion / Re: Dry Skin?
« on: September 13, 2010, 01:23:11 am »
My experience has been exactly the opposite.  I used to have dry skin, and I don't anymore.  Are you eating enough fat?

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so I don't get.....if parasites like some worms only establish themselves when there is dead decaying matter in the body, then why do wild fish like salmon sometimes show parasites?


I don't buy the theory that parasites only establish themselves when there is dead or decaying matter in the body.  The wild salmon you bought disproves it.  AV makes this claim in his Primal Diet books, but while I admit there are benefits to eating animal foods raw I think he takes, and gets his clients to take, some pretty obscene risks. 

I hunt and have butchered my share of wild whitetail deer here in the United States.  With a perfectly natural and nutritious diet, deer will sometimes have parasites--liver flukes, stomach worms, brain worms, lung worms, esophageal worms, etc.--and sometimes not.  Most of the time the parasites exist at a low enough population density that they aren't pathological (i.e. they don't cause symptoms that harm the animal).  But sometimes they do, and sometimes wild animals with access to perfectly healthy diets become so overridden with parasites that they die. 

While small amounts of parasites won't hurt us, I don't think it's in our best interest to create silly theories that predispose us to infection.  On the other hand, I suppose that's natural selection at work.  Stupid folks who think parasites can't hurt them or are good for them will be the ones who end up with pathological concentrations of parasites, be sick all the time, be quite unattractive to members of the opposite sex, have fewer children, etc.

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Since I started eating raw meat, I always have symptoms like you describe whenever I eat grains and the symptoms are particularly severe when I eat grains with meat.  I think that's where your symptoms are coming from, not from the fact that there were worms in the meat.

That said, you may end up with other symptoms from the worms if they get established.  I personally don't buy into the "parasites are fine" philosophy that many people here espouse.  There are a lot of wild animals that subsist on entirely raw, natural diets that will still show symptoms of pathology when infected with certain parasites.  Even on an ideal raw diet, parasites can still be a problem for people.

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I've never gotten along with raw salmon, even when it's been frozen.  I always have a little nausea, and get a moderately bad case of gas.

It's important to be responsive to your body when trying something new.  If raw salmon doesn't agree with you, stop eating it.  I doubt the stomach discomfort is from the worms, although they may cause more symptoms later on if they become established.

More generally, I rarely eat fish.  I subsist primarily on ruminants, including deer, cattle, sheep, goat, bison.  I eat muscle meats, organ meats, marrow and suet.  That's worked very well for me, and I never have abdominal symptoms.

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General Discussion / Re: Shoes roundup
« on: August 26, 2010, 06:05:54 am »
The RunAmoks have held up fine so far.  The build seems solid to me, and since the leather is so thin the seems would be easy to repair if their thread fails.  The pair with the thicker soles is wearing down a lot faster than the pair with the thinner soles, and the thicker soles seemed to bring me to the point of blisters sooner, so I stopped running in those quite soon and only ran substantially in the thinner soled version.  I don't expect I'll buy the thicker-soled version again.  I plan on buying a suede pair of the thinner-soled version for hunting season.

Let it be known, though, that I've stopped running in my RunAmoks, although I do walk around town in them and wear them to work.  As of last week I began running barefoot, breaking myself in very slowly.  I ran about 3 miles today, which was about a mile more than last week, and it turned out I added distance too fast.  I got a couple blisters, one of which was quite large and had a little blood in it.  It'll take a couple days to heal, and I'll ease back to 2 miles per outing until I feel compelled to start inching my way back up. 

Luckily for me I'm not training for a race, otherwise the setback in distance per day I've taken to get used to actually running barefoot would be very inconvenient.


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General Discussion / Re: What are you eating right now?
« on: August 21, 2010, 09:09:54 pm »
It is morning (a little after 9:00 am my time) and I'm eating a bowl of chopped venison with some grass-fed cow marrow added to fatten the dish up.

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Hot Topics / Re: AGEs
« on: August 19, 2010, 12:49:46 am »
Wolf, sounds like you're amassing a decent literature review.  Would you be so kind as to post it, or somehow make it available?

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General Discussion / Re: Shoes roundup
« on: August 17, 2010, 09:40:41 pm »
I've had the RunAmoks long enough to comment on them.  I like them a lot.  When I ran in the VFF and even Teva water shoes, my range was limited by the amount of distance I could cover before I started feeling blisters coming on.  And That range was not as far as I would have liked.  I've ran a few times in the RunAmoks and have also taken them contra dancing, and love them.  My range is now limited by my fitness level, not the propensity of my footwear to give me blisters.  The RunAmoks have a delightful moccasin-like feel.  I give them two thumbs up!

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General Discussion / Re: Shoes roundup
« on: August 07, 2010, 04:44:46 am »
I just received my two pairs of Soft Star RunAmoks.  I haven't worn the pair with the heavier sole yet, but I've worn the pair with the thin sole around the house.  I am very pleased.  They yield the closest feel to brain-tanned moccasins that I've ever felt in a commercially made shoe.  The Vibram soles are thin and flexible, yet firm enough to be puncture resistant and the tread is quite nice.  Now that I see them in front of me and can walk around in a pair, I have even higher hopes for these minimalist shoes.

I ran this morning (in my two-year-old Teva Protons), so won't run again until Sunday AM.  I'll try the RunAmoks then, and report back on my sense of them as running shoes.  They offer a lot of room, great ventilation and good puncture resistance, so I have very high hopes for these as running shoes.

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