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I agree. In fact, carnivorous animals are well-known to prefer the organ-meats over muscle-meats, as the dominant animal in a pack gets first choice of organ-meats before others. I also recall zoo-directors pointing out that some carnivores in zoos which had no access to raw organ-meats would often develop fertility problems over time(if they were raised on such an organ-free diet from birth). I wouldn't be surprised if this and last century's rise in human infertility is partially the result of steering away from organ-meats in the diet.

Re 90g:- I was under the impression that the absolute lower limit for protein-intake was 100g a day, and that anything below that would destroy the muscles etc. (though some argue that the limit is higher).

General Discussion / Re: Protein and fat digestion
« on: June 14, 2008, 04:38:36 pm »
And what enzymes you are talking about?

I tried bee-pollen. I'm not sure it would help so much...

Does not meat contain all necessary enzymes for digestion?

Or are you talking about smth like that

I doubt the appropriateness of taking such supps. Who has the experience in this field?

All I can say is that some raw-animal-foodists have resorted to using enzymes while eating the occasional cooked meal. I prefer using high-meat as an alternative, myself. The enzymes used by others either came from raw foods like unripe papaya(?) or from higher-grade enzyme supplements with no additives/minimal processing etc. I've tried bee-pollen and it's not effective in that regard, IMO. As regards enzymes and raw food, I believe(?) all foods even raw require some enzymes from the body, it's just that raw food-digestion requires much less production of enzymes as there are already some enzymes already in the raw meats.

General Discussion / Re: dental amalgams
« on: June 14, 2008, 04:00:44 pm »
I had mercury fillings replaced with ceramic ones. I experienced no benefits therefrom.

General Discussion / Re: Protein and fat digestion
« on: June 11, 2008, 04:08:36 pm »
digestive issues could be enzyme-related. Perhaps an enzyme supplement might improve matters?

General Discussion / Iridology-Your comments
« on: June 11, 2008, 04:06:28 pm »
(I can't reply to other posts for a week or so, so don't think I'm rude for not replying in time):-

I was thinking about Iridology recently. For the first 3 years of going rawpalaeo, my irises did indeed lighten in colour around the edges, but then the process seemed to stop, until a couple of years ago or so, where there has been a much slower lightening of my irises, once again. Previously, at the start of the RAF diet, I'd noticed that consuming any dairy, raw or otherwise, made my irises go black over time, and that eliminating it lightened my irises to some extent - I should mention that before turning to raw meat-diets, my (brown) irises had become so dark they were almost black, and that they are now light green/grey in the outer edges, with gradually darker elements towards the region of the pupils(my inner iris is now only a light brown). Anyway, my health-problems were generally all resolved in the first 3 years of the diet, without my irises clearing up completely, so I don't think that the state of the irises directly corresponds to one's health, but it's always possible that 3 decades of eating cooked foods means that there is a lingering minor toxicity within some of my tissues that requires a couple more decades to get rid of(though my former symptoms of ill-health are long gone).

Anyway, what I wanted to know is whether others have experienced a full or partial clearing up of their irises from a RAF diet? I've heard claims that irises only clear up due to raw dairy consumption, but  given my own dairy-free experiences, I have strong doubts re this spurious claim.

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Oysters are terrific !!!!
« on: June 11, 2008, 03:53:18 pm »
farmed oysters don't have the wild "tang" that wild meats/seafood all have. They're also usually much smaller, though a few I've found have been quite big. I think that farmed oysters all have much thinner shells by comparison to wild oysters - at least, farmed mussels all have thinner shells than wild mussels, that's well-known.

Health / Re: bleeding gums
« on: June 11, 2008, 03:42:08 pm »
I had bleeding gums and loosened teeth pre-raw diet, and these immediately improved once I cut out the dairy from my diet. That's why I no longer believe in the calcium/bones myth.

General Discussion / Re: Protein and fat digestion
« on: June 11, 2008, 03:37:49 pm »
Raw Samphire and raw oysters both have lots of iodine in them.

Welcoming Committee / Re: Hello, new here: Bubba
« on: June 11, 2008, 03:36:41 pm »
Tyler, I think you're right about the butter.   I just don't know how I'll get enough fat without it.  Marbled fat is easy enough to eat, but the fat around the outside of the meat is different.  How do you get enough fat in your diet?   I don't know yet about eating raw glandulars!  I am still such a wimp about raw animal foods.  As the days go by, though, and my brain clears out, I can start to at least acknowledge what's good and not good for me. 


The raw glandulars are useful re speeding up recovery as cooked-diets, according to AV, hit the glands particularly hard by comparison to other parts of the body. As regards, types of fat, one major reason why I took so long to get used to raw suet and muscle-meat white fat was because I, at first, didn't get hold of decent high-quality raw meats. By locating sources of yellow-white suet rather than pure-white suet etc. I was able to get used to the taste quite quickly - unfortunately, just because a meat is labelled "grassfed" doesn't always guarantee high quality.

I also went in for fats I knew I would like immediately (such as raw beef tongue and raw marrow - the creamy marrow was my favourite).

Primal Diet / Re: Juicing
« on: June 09, 2008, 04:53:15 pm »
I was going to make a new thread for this but decided to tack it onto this one.

The topic is: Replacing green juice with organ consumption.

I don't look forward to making juice, it takes a little while and doesn't taste good enough to justify the time it takes to make it. It requires a big heavy machine to sit on my counter top, and worst of all perhaps the ingredients (fresh fruits and vegetables) are the most expensive part of my diet. Celery, cucumbers, carrots, cilantro etc. are very expensive, and hard to find local sources.

Why do I drink it? In AV's books he says it's the best vitamin/mineral supplement you can make. Also it allows me to drink less water, and I believe is even more hydrating than water because of the mineral salts.

The question: Could I replace drinking juice with eating organs? Organs, especially liver, are very high in vitamins and minerals, perhaps higher in some than my juice (lb for lb). Organs are also generally cheap, cheaper than muscle, and give you protein and fat as well as the vitamins and minerals. It takes less time to cut up a 1/4 lb of liver and eat that then juice my usual juice recipe. It doesn't require the juicer to be up on the counter.

Perhaps I won't go to either extreme, and just eat organs for now and then go back to juicing if I feel like it. It just really gets to me that I have to do it every day (juicing) when I really don't feel like it.

When I started juicing, I also found the taste and the expense of buying organic veg/fruit a real nuisance. Plus, i started getting diarrhea after drinking too much of it(the kind where you have no more than 60 seconds warning to go to the bathroom). I'd get an initial rush of energy which would dissipate quickly into a period of fatigue. Raw organs(if grassfed/organic) were SO much cheaper and much less hassle to deal with, unlike veggie juice had noantinutrients, and were more nutritious . As regards the issue of natural food, the taste of raw solid veg is pretty bland, one reason why most vegans eat mainly raw fruits. I don't mind eating a few raw solid veg like samphire or the odd carrot, on occasion, but that's about it for me.

If you're set on using the juicer, I would suggest adding sweeteners like raw honey or, if you must, raw cream(this is what Primal Dieters do to conceal the appalling taste of such juices. Also, it's, apparently, best to buy a really expensive juicer like the GreenStar juicer as you will then be able to save much more money in the long-term due to needing to use much smaller quantities of veg-fruit per glass of juice.

General Discussion / Re: organs
« on: June 09, 2008, 04:41:11 pm »
When I first started the diet, I would be forced to eat everything absolutely fresh within a day or two of buying it. After a while, I got used to and enjoyed the taste of aged raw meats.

Eating prefrozen meats is a lesser option as freezing breaks open the cell-walls of the food, thus spoiling the taste a little.

General Discussion / Re: Meat Sources
« on: June 09, 2008, 04:38:18 pm »
Here's an online resource for finding grassfed meat farms in the USA:-

Here's an online grassfed meat directory for the UK:-

(If there are any UKers who know of a reliable UK farm/source for (yellow-coloured) raw grassfed suet, as opposed to mere white so-called "grassfed suet", I would most appreciate it if they could post the details here, as I currently am in need of such a source).

Info / News Items / Announcements / Re: forum changes
« on: June 09, 2008, 04:26:07 pm »
Well, I'm back, if only for a short time. I'd like to suggest  the titles of "Mammoth Hunter" for 1,000 posts, and "Raw CaveMan/Raw CaveWoman(as applicable?)  for 5,000 posts.

I've recently taken to using coconut-oil soap, as it's less worse than other soaps. Though I would never go in or eating coconut oil as such. I also use a unique antibacterial deodorant called trust, so as to avoid using the aluminium-containing sprays that others use. I only rub it on the hair , not the skin, so the petroleum -content etc. isn't too harmful as a result. I very rarely  wash my hair as my hair is self-cleaning. Other than a mouthwash to soothe the sensitivities of cooked-food eaters e my use of "high-meat", that's all I use re chemicals.

Welcoming Committee / Re: Hello, new here: Bubba
« on: June 09, 2008, 03:45:27 pm »
Satya, thank you for the idea of not going cold turkey.  I started searing my meat til about 1/8 of an inch of the outside of it is cooked and I like it so much better like that.  Boy, I feel so much better without the dairy.  My brain is clearing out and I have more energy.  I had a slight headache when i woke up this morning, but it's nothing like I was waking up with while on dairy.  It's funny, at first when I start to eat it, and this is the third or fourth time I've tried, it makes me feel better.  But after awhile it makes me feel worse.  Each time I go back to it, the time it takes to start to make me sick gets shorter and shorter. 


Dairy also gave me chronic fatigue. Similiarly, I would get a boost in energy for c.30 minutes after consuming raw or pasteurised dairy(plus a slightly increased sense of calm), but would then experience a vast surge of fatigue afterthat, followed by a surge of adrenaline.From what I understand, dairy, whether raw or otherwise, can cause fatigue and brain-fog due to milk peptides crossing the blood-brain barrier - plus, dairy,as in my own case, can seriously foul up one's glands(especially the adrenal gland). I would suggest, therefore, avoiding absolutely all dairy, even raw butter(plenty of people get side-effects from that too, though symptoms are usually milder or take longer to manifest). It might also be an idea to get hold of raw, grassfed adrenals from some farm like NorthStar Bison - I get mine from Dr Ron's website - it's prohibitively expensive, but the UK farms don't seem to sell adrenals.

I agree that raw food is nearly always better digested than cooked food. However, some RAFers have claimed that those who are severely deficient in some minerals might even have a few problems eating raw animal food, at first.

General Discussion / Re: Cooking as a biological trait’
« on: June 01, 2008, 12:29:11 pm »
See the Wrangham-debunking page on the website which disproves Wrangham's ideas completely. Wrangham, despite his claims, is not taken very seriously by most anthropologists, not least because he has no actual evidence to support his claims and also because his area of expertise is chimp-studies not Palaeoanthrology or Archaeology.

General Discussion / Re: Supplements
« on: June 01, 2008, 12:22:19 pm »
Yes, Aajonus is against supplements, one reason why I'm in favour of him - most diet-gurus make their money from selling really dodgy supplements to their gullible clients.

As regards, the use of supplements, it's always best to get the nutrients, instead, from natural, raw foods. However, people coming from cooked/processed diets often are very severely deficient in certain nutrients, so that they sometimes need megadoses of certain supplements as a quick fix while they're looking for a more natural, raw alternative. I, for example, would undoubtedly have benefitted from temporary use of magnesium supplements, at the start of going raw, though I chose not to.

*Ah well, I should be off on my floight now, I guess this is better than just standing around the check-in gates.*

General Discussion / Re: Raw Paleo Since Weaning
« on: June 01, 2008, 01:19:06 am »
That's what i figured. I mean the Swedish minority in Finland would presumably be tall like other Scandinavians, but the main Finns are Ugric peoples who are not usually that tall(eg:- Hungarians).

General Discussion / Re: breakfast
« on: May 31, 2008, 05:11:56 pm »
Breakfast has never been a meal I liked, even in pre-raw days. I usually skip it as otherwise I feel bodged for the rest of the day.

General Discussion / Re: questions from a friend
« on: May 31, 2008, 03:02:00 am »
Re myelin damage:- I presume this is a reference to MS. Those with MS  are well-advised to avoid all non-Palaeo fods, including even raw dairy(and even grainfed meat, according to this article):-

Of course, the fact that cooked-food is much more immunoreactive than raw food means that you have a better chance of recovery on a raw(animal food) diet than on a cooked one.

Here's a link re a patient recoverin from MS as a result of eating raw meats:-

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Oysters are terrific !!!!
« on: May 31, 2008, 02:35:08 am »
I eat a bunch of 20 oysters for 1 day out of every fortnight, on average.

General Discussion / Re: questions from a friend
« on: May 30, 2008, 05:17:52 pm »
I don't buy into the whole mercury-fish scare. Here are two good links debunking it:-

Here's an article on the Seychelles study which debunked the mercury-claims:-

As for Aajonus claim that raw fish protecting against mercury, I find that hard to believe. There was one unusual case in Minamata Bay where there was a huge spill of mercury from industrial waste in that coastal area, and the Japanese developed serious health-problems despite their eating a lot of the fish raw. But, IMO, such incidences as Minamata Bay are very rare and only very  localised in effect, so one doesn't need to worry re eating raw seafood.

General Discussion / Re: frozen/fresh meat
« on: May 30, 2008, 05:01:29 pm »
From what I've heard, enzymes gradually get destroyed by freezing, over weeks.

General Discussion / Re: Protein and fat digestion
« on: May 30, 2008, 04:37:13 am »
If you don't like the gristle, don't eat it. I love the stuff, and I have no problems with it. Everyone is different.

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