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Interest in Paleo Diets is Exploding
« on: January 14, 2011, 08:45:58 am »
The terms "paleo diet", "primal diet", and Crossfit have been exploding in hit volume this year, easily surpassing competing terms like Ornish, "Zone diet", Taubes, Atkins, "vegetarian diet" and "vegan diet". The media and Internet companies have started to take notice and I think that some are trying to figure out if there's any way to make a profit off this trend.

Part of the reason for the explosion in interest is reportedly the Crossfit franchise (with Robb Wolf apparently being the main force behind the spreading of the Paleo diet within Crossfit), as I guessed some time ago:

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No one can say exactly why the diet has spiked in popularity recently, but internet searches of the phrase “Paleo Diet” have increased tenfold since 2007 and doubled in 2010, according to Google.

Many link the rise in interest to the explosion of more than 1,200 Crossfit gyms across the country advocating the diet. http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/bthesite/blog/2011/01/the_caveman_diet.html
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Re: Interest in Paleo Diets is Exploding
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2011, 09:05:05 am »
I just hope it isn't put out there with misinformation by people who are trying to make money promoting these names. This is a wonderful group of people we have here and I hope we continue to thrive positively.

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Re: Interest in Paleo Diets is Exploding
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2011, 09:51:03 am »
Wonder when the explosion of RAW Paleo Diet will come.
Will we be celebrities? Ha ha ha.
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Re: Interest in Paleo Diets is Exploding
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2011, 09:56:58 am »
Yeah, even Reddit has a paleo section. If there is a discussion about diets, someone will bring up paleo. Though, I've never seen anyone mention raw paleo. I have a feeling eating raw meat will never ever catch on.

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Re: Interest in Paleo Diets is Exploding
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2011, 09:59:55 am »
Wonder when the explosion of RAW Paleo Diet will come.
Will we be celebrities? Ha ha ha.

Was on Reddit today, there was a picture of a woman with a NASTY case of psoriasis and in the comments, someone linked your eczemacure website.

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Re: Interest in Paleo Diets is Exploding
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2011, 10:52:47 am »
You sure that's a woman?  The website belongs to a man, and it looks like his photograph.

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Re: Interest in Paleo Diets is Exploding
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2011, 05:06:19 pm »
Yes, I too have noticed a sudden increase in popularity for the cooked-palaeodiet. Well, that just means more for us, as one of the two most common routes to a raw, palaeolithic diet is via a previous cooked-palaeodiet.
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Re: Interest in Paleo Diets is Exploding
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2011, 07:35:54 pm »
raw paleo wont be so popular its meant for brave people to cross that line and  continue with this until adapted I think.

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« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2011, 09:40:37 pm »
Will we be celebrities? Ha ha ha.
It's inevitable.  8)
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« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2011, 03:33:54 am »
Will we be celebrities? Ha ha ha.
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Re: Interest in Paleo Diets is Exploding
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2011, 05:47:44 am »
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Ha ha ha.
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I predict that the raw Paleo diet/dieters will be used by the enemies of Paleo and the media to try to mischaracterize Paleo as lunatic fringe, and that has already happened on a couple of occasions. It frustrates the cooked Paleo folks, because they don't like being lumped in with us wackos. ;D
>"When some one eats an Epi paleo Rx template and follows the rules of circadian biology they get plenty of starches when they are available three out of the four seasons." -Jack Kruse, MD
>"I recommend 20 percent of calories from carbs, depending on the size of the person" -Ron Rosedale, MD (in other words, NOT zero carbs) http://preview.tinyurl.com/6ogtan
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Re: Interest in Paleo Diets is Exploding
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2011, 09:51:39 am »
For sure,marketability is an issue.I mean look how good those vegan "cook books" look.Full of colorful fruits,juices and shakes.They can even sin with cacao/chocolate desserts -d
I'd like to see how a "cookbook" with high-meat on the cover would sell 8)

The reviewers would sure have a helluva good time with it ;D I can hear it now: "Wanna be healthy,well eat this mess"...."that's right folks,according to a "new" diet called RPD if you want to have a healthy life THIS(points to high-meat pic) is what YOU should be eating"!!! "Now,back to you Bob for the weather..."
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Re: Interest in Paleo Diets is Exploding
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2011, 01:14:37 pm »
Well, it is possible to make even high-meat sound nice. There are various national dishes such as bplaa raa or muktuk which are basically forms of high-meat. And there are fresh raw meat dishes like steak tartare. I wish we got a new RVAF diet guru to replace Aajonus and write a few rawpalaeo-friendly books. I mean, the recipes AV offered were ghastly ones involving unnatural amounts of raw dairy and raw coconut cream and the like.
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Re: Interest in Paleo Diets is Exploding
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2011, 02:54:04 pm »
I have tried to explain high meat in an elementary fashion that anyone can appreciate.

I have a prepared monolog I use when explaining highmeat, People will rot grain and bake it into bread, they will eat rotten dairy in the form of cheese and yogurt, they will drink rotten grape juice and call it wine; so why is it that rotten meat is taboo? I eat it regularly and consider it to be healthy and it is without the hangover of wine, or the digestive troubles that often caused by cheese and bread.

I have been spreading the word and am in need of making converts, but there is still a long road to go before people will get it. I try to help people with severe gluten intolerance and try to convert people who are desperate for help( I meet so many people who I know could be helped on this diet, but sadly most of them just wont get what I am trying to say. I met one person who believed the caveman diet was lean meats and potato's , and that rice bread was a reasonable substitute for glutton foods. There is just to much ignorance out there to reach the majority of people with the raw paleo message.

We need a paleo Messiah. or perhaps just a group of disciples made up of people like Daniel Vitalis who can be our new spokesmen, I am just to bogged down with provincial life myself to Mount a campain, but perhaps one day someone like one of us or even my children  will write a book on paleo living. The forrum is great for people who are engaged and lucky enough to find us, but we need a paleo bible that anyone can pick up and learn the basic guidelines and dos and donts in a professional manner that is backed by indisputable evidence.  
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Re: Interest in Paleo Diets is Exploding
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2011, 03:11:54 pm »
It's easy to get on television. You can easily get on breakfast news, daytime tv, a chat show etc to talk about eating raw paleo..
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Re: Interest in Paleo Diets is Exploding
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2011, 03:09:40 am »
They can even sin with cacao/chocolate desserts -d ....
Yeah, I've noticed that they tend to put images of desserts on the covers of vegan cookbooks and magazines and in articles and online, because they know that's what will sell. I also notice that the food images in raw vegan forums I've checked out tend to be dominated by sweet stuff--desserts and fruits.

Tyler, if you can sell a ton of copies of an "uncookbook" with high meat or stinkfish on the cover, then I'll tip my hat to you. :D You'd likely have more success with a "raw Paleo dessert" on the cover.

Unfortunately, some of Vitalis' videos are pretty wacky too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjFb2xAEEew&feature=player_embedded and he's even less raw Paleo than AV, and I say that as someone who defended one of his more reasonable videos as sufficiently raw Paleo.
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« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2011, 03:40:22 am »
He seems sane enough by my standards, I was thinking that someone like him could be made respectable and as long as we had some additional specialist and  scientific advocates that were respectable and could back up what our gurus say, then its a good start.. I am not sure if there is a perfect guru out in the woodwork. Celebrities like Mel Gibson are also judged to wacky to be taken seriously. What; Does it take some buttoned down collage professor type person to sell this diet to the masses?

I could probably make better youtube presentations myself. I am lacking the video equipment,  and haven't the shiny brass balls needed to put my self out there. It takes someone who isn't afraid to appear loony, such as AV , Dan, or Mel to just not care about appearances and go raw and in your face
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Re: Interest in Paleo Diets is Exploding
« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2011, 01:59:51 pm »
Cooked paleo is our best bet when it comes to most folks.
Eventually many of them will realize the benefit of raw, but can you really imagine a RAF world?
Germs seem to be the backbone of the paradigm we just left, most "civilizen" sterilites think raw meat makes people drop dead.

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« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2011, 03:58:59 am »
Yes, Google Trends and the recent boom in media coverage reveals that interest in Paleo diets is increasing at a far higher pace than interest in raw diets. So going forward, most raw Paleo dieters will likely come from the ranks of cooked Paleo rather than raw diets. My guess is that many will be like me, having experienced amazing benefits from cooked Paleo but thinking they might do even better by cooking their foods less and eating more raw, or liking the decreased work and other benefits of a raw approach. The fact that Cordain, Eades and other Paleo and near-Paleo experts discuss the benefits of low-and-slow cooking will likely be one of the clues that leads people toward raw and mostly-raw Paleo. It's not much of a leap for people to wonder, if low-and-slow cooking is healthier than high-and-fast cooking, then maybe no cooking is even better.
>"When some one eats an Epi paleo Rx template and follows the rules of circadian biology they get plenty of starches when they are available three out of the four seasons." -Jack Kruse, MD
>"I recommend 20 percent of calories from carbs, depending on the size of the person" -Ron Rosedale, MD (in other words, NOT zero carbs) http://preview.tinyurl.com/6ogtan
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Re: Interest in Paleo Diets is Exploding
« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2011, 04:35:26 am »
Yes, Google Trends and the recent boom in media coverage reveals that interest in Paleo diets is increasing at a far higher pace than interest in raw diets. So going forward, most raw Paleo dieters will likely come from the ranks of cooked Paleo rather than raw diets. My guess is that many will be like me, having experienced amazing benefits from cooked Paleo but thinking they might do even better by cooking their foods less and eating more raw, or liking the decreased work and other benefits of a raw approach. The fact that Cordain, Eades and other Paleo and near-Paleo experts discuss the benefits of low-and-slow cooking will likely be one of the clues that leads people toward raw and mostly-raw Paleo. It's not much of a leap for people to wonder, if low-and-slow cooking is healthier than high-and-fast cooking, then maybe no cooking is even better.
I heavily disagree. Up till now, the vast majority of  RVAFers in general(as opposed to rawpalaeos) have come from the raw vegan/fruitarian dietary regimes. It is much easier, on a psychological level to first convert to a raw plant food based diet and then go palaeo as well, than it is to go from SAD diet to cooked-palaeo and then to rawpalaeo. This is because there is no serious media-driven hysteria against raw plant foods(indeed current SAD-oriented nutritionists' guidelines usually include advice to not cook plant foods too much, but to cook animal foods thoroughly to avoid bacteria/parasites). So first converting to raw vegan is easier, psychologically; and once one sees that raw plant foods are fine, one starts to try things like raw dairy or raw eggs, which are more mainstream-friendly RAF foods anyway, before finally eating raw meats/organs.

There is always a cycle of renewed interest every few years in things like Atkins/cooked-palaeo which then die down after a while, but these usually coincide with the publishing of a relevant book on the subject or some current craze like Crossfit.
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« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2011, 05:30:25 am »
I think some weight lifters may come this way. I was surprised to find out that a fairly mainstream guy I have an acquaintance with eats raw meat. I don't know how purist he is.

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« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2011, 07:52:28 am »
I heavily disagree.
Yes, I knew you would.
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Up till now,
Those are the key words. Things are already changing and the future is likely to be quite different than "up till now." If you check Google Trends you'll see what I'm talking about.

Yes, Josh. Some interest has been renewed in older forms of weightlifting and fitness development beyond the Crossfit that I mentioned--such as Starting Strength, free weights, kettlebells, MovNat, Evolutionary Fitness, etc. People who get into these fitness techniques and cultures tend to become exposed to Paleo nutrition and similar concepts at some point and interest has renewed in some of the old nutritional techniques that weightlifters used to use, like raw eggs, raw meat, raw beef blood, etc. Randy Roach's "Muscle, Smoke and Mirrors" (http://adamfarrah.net/muscle-smoke-mirrors-book) is supposed to be a good reference book on the topic area.
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>"When some one eats an Epi paleo Rx template and follows the rules of circadian biology they get plenty of starches when they are available three out of the four seasons." -Jack Kruse, MD
>"I recommend 20 percent of calories from carbs, depending on the size of the person" -Ron Rosedale, MD (in other words, NOT zero carbs) http://preview.tinyurl.com/6ogtan
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Re: Interest in Paleo Diets is Exploding
« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2011, 08:26:07 am »
Yes, I knew you would. Those are the key words. Things are already changing and the future is likely to be quite different than "up till now." If you check Google Trends you'll see what I'm talking about.
  I saw google trends, and it simply confirmed what I'd said so far. A few years prior to c.2007, interest was negligible followed by a sudden surge in 2007 onwards.  I am sure there were also sudden upward surges in the past, like with all other diets.  The test will be to see if interest stays high for more than just another 5 years. I have good reason to doubt it will.
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Yes, Josh. Some interest has been renewed in older forms of weightlifting and fitness development beyond the Crossfit that I mentioned--such as Starting Strength, free weights, kettlebells, MovNat, Evolutionary Fitness, etc. People who get into these fitness techniques and cultures tend to become exposed to Paleo nutrition and similar concepts at some point and interest has renewed in some of the old nutritional techniques that weightlifters used to use, like raw eggs, raw meat, raw beef blood, etc. Randy Roach's "Muscle, Smoke and Mirrors" (http://adamfarrah.net/muscle-smoke-mirrors-book) is supposed to be a good reference book on the topic area.
That past era in which bodybuilders ate healthier foods was not terribly palaeo, but more focused on the raw aspect. Randy Roach mentions numerous examples of raw vegan bodybuilders as well as those who consumed lots of raw dairy.
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« Reply #24 on: January 17, 2011, 09:23:49 am »
 I saw google trends, and it simply confirmed what I'd said so far. A few years prior to c.2007, interest was negligible followed by a sudden surge in 2007 onwards.  I am sure there were also sudden upward surges in the past, like with all other diets.  The test will be to see if interest stays high for more than just another 5 years.
Sure, it will slope off after a certain point, sure, but the difference is that people will see that it works better than any of the other aforementioned approaches in improving health and so it will maintain a significant following and my guess is that the overall Paleo community (including raw Paleo) will be substantially larger in the long run than either Atkins or raw veganism. It will likely be a somewhat elite following, since Paleo is generally more expensive than eating beans and tortillas or rice and peas or potatoes and cabbage every day. Some people today work around high market prices for pastured animal foods by hunting or raising animals or eating more animal fat and organs than lean meats, but not everyone can hunt or farm and prices for animal fats and organs will increase as demand increases (and I'm already seeing this in my area), with increases in supply only able to counteract part of the increase.

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That past era in which bodybuilders ate healthier foods was not terribly palaeo, but more focused on the raw aspect. Randy Roach mentions nulerous examples of raw vegan bodybuilders as well as those who consumed lots of raw dairy.
I didn't write anything to the contrary of that and haven't studied it enough to draw firm conclusions. Nonetheless also, Josh is right that some of the new Paleo dieters have come from the fitness and bodybuilding areas like Crossfit and those others I mentioned, and from what I understand, Randy Roach and others have written about raw eggs, meat and blood, not just raw veganism. Plus, adding some raw animal foods to the diet seems to appeal more to bodybuilders than going on a raw vegan diet. So nothing you've written here contradicts anything I've written in this thread, other than your opinion of where things will go.

In interesting aside: my father has mentioned that the athletic teams he coached decades ago used to eat steaks--many rare--baked potato, raw green salad and full-fat milk for pre-game meals and the whole team ate basically the same thing, but later there was a growing trend toward feeding teams meals composed of carby, more modern, heavily processed foods like spaghetti, pizza, sub sandwiches, french fries, soda pop and low-fat chocolate milk and toward letting players choose their own pre-game meals, which tend to include a lot of the latter. My father was puzzled by the change, but went along with it because the nutritionists were telling the coaches that carb loading and high carbs in general was the way to go. Now that he has benefited from Paleo nutrition himself, he thinks he was right to question the change and wishes that he had gone with what his brain was telling him at the time instead of the so-called "experts". He's not a zero carber by any means, but he thinks that feeding athletes pizza, spaghetti and soda pop was a mistake.
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>"When some one eats an Epi paleo Rx template and follows the rules of circadian biology they get plenty of starches when they are available three out of the four seasons." -Jack Kruse, MD
>"I recommend 20 percent of calories from carbs, depending on the size of the person" -Ron Rosedale, MD (in other words, NOT zero carbs) http://preview.tinyurl.com/6ogtan
>Finding a diet you can tolerate is not the same as fixing what's wrong. -Tim Steele
Beware of problems from chronic Very Low Carb

 

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