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Re: Controversial anti-Aajonus claim
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2012, 10:48:22 pm »
Ouch!, i am reading it now.

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« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2012, 12:00:57 am »
That's always been a possibility, but what effective difference does it make? Aajonus has still brought the idea of raw animal foods to more people than anyone else to my knowledge. I looked in to his degree too but wasn't able to easily ascertain if it was real, so I assumed it might be fake, but that has nothing to do with the message, which is: eat foods, both animal and plant in their undamaged, natural form to experience the best health. Anyone with common sense would know that those exact foods would vary from person to person, but the idea itself is one of the foundations of true health. That coupled with the work he's doing to secure food freedom with private dairy contracts and buying clubs as well as working on a lawsuit at present demonstrates what he's really about. What do I care if he's accredited at a brainwashing university?

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« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2012, 02:31:14 am »
That's always been a possibility, but what effective difference does it make? Aajonus has still brought the idea of raw animal foods to more people than anyone else to my knowledge. I looked in to his degree too but wasn't able to easily ascertain if it was real, so I assumed it might be fake, but that has nothing to do with the message, which is: eat foods, both animal and plant in their undamaged, natural form to experience the best health. Anyone with common sense would know that those exact foods would vary from person to person, but the idea itself is one of the foundations of true health. That coupled with the work he's doing to secure food freedom with private dairy contracts and buying clubs as well as working on a lawsuit at present demonstrates what he's really about. What do I care if he's accredited at a brainwashing university?

We don't care because we know what is truth - but when there is one lie from someone in such a spotlight the assumption is that there is likely more. He makes so many claims about what he has cured that making up a credential can do some real harm to the truths that he did bring forth.

He just lost his credibility and the sad thing is that he was speaking for so many others. That's the problem with gurus. When they are discredited it not only discredits them personally - but what they are teaching. I know it's not fair - but it's just how the human mind tends to work.

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Re: Controversial anti-Aajonus claim
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2012, 04:53:08 am »
We don't care because we know what is truth - but when there is one lie from someone in such a spotlight the assumption is that there is likely more...

Exactly. I have brought this issue up on another thread in the past. This proves beyond any doubt my long-held suspicion. Very frustrating that someone who takes such great pains to turn themselves into a public face of the raw food movement would do something so foolish. A real PhD isn't that hard to get; I finished mine last summer...


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Re: Controversial anti-Aajonus claim
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2012, 05:06:48 am »
I agree that a nutritionist degree means nothing nowadays as these just peddle the usual lies about how processing is good for humans etc. Still, Aajonus has made some outrageous claims in the past which were obviously fake like the coyote story etc., and those just hurt his credibility.
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Re: Controversial anti-Aajonus claim
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2012, 05:52:53 am »
Funny how this case develops.

Re Aajonus fake diploma, i never cared for diplomas.  I only care about results.

Aajonus' writings opened my eyes and led me to raw paleo diet.

i keep his 2 books as reference and these helped me heal the intestines of my sick boy... that the candida detected was actually from wrecked intestines, that i use lots of raw eggs to heal diverticulitis.
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Re: Controversial anti-Aajonus claim
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2012, 06:30:26 am »
It's likely his claims about having had hundred's of cancers and heart attacks is false too.
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Re: Controversial anti-Aajonus claim
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2012, 04:23:49 pm »
His credibility is dead in my opinion.

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Re: Controversial anti-Aajonus claim
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2012, 08:19:38 pm »
Whether he has a Phd or not doesn't matter to me. Whether he lied about a lot or not doesn't matter to me. What he teaches seems to make sense and works, and that is what matters to me. I know he's lied about a lot because I don't buy a lot of his outrageous and contradicting stories. I understand why he lies though.

This doesn't hurt his credibility to me.

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« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2012, 08:46:30 pm »
Yeah, don't get me wrong, I'm all about the truth, and I'd prefer that the people around me stick to it, but if I have to choose Aajonus or No Aajonus, I choose Aajonus! He is literally, solely responsible for the person I am today. He essentially saved my life, I shudder to think of what my life would be like if I hadn't been exposed to his ideas. Damn, it's really fuckin' scary to think of that, I'd be pale, pock marked, sickly and a zombie like the rest of processed amerika. Instead, everyday is an unmitigated blessing, thank you Aaj!

You know what, people who don't like Aajonus can presently fuck themselves. What have THEY done to make the world a better, healthier place? Hmmm?

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Re: Controversial anti-Aajonus claim
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2012, 09:22:50 pm »
people at infowars really need to get their facts straight on this issue.

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Re: Controversial anti-Aajonus claim
« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2012, 12:25:00 am »
Merged topics.  I think this goes here.

One thing though about the fake PhD is the evidence seems convincing that the PhD title is fake.

Aajonus shouldn't have gotten into that fake PhD thing... some people are just so turned off by that... those who are into diplomas.

I've never cared for my diplomas because I've always been an entrepreneur.

And I never cared for diplomas from web designer employees or editors because I judge them by their actual work.


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Re: Controversial anti-Aajonus claim
« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2012, 02:49:46 am »
The problem is in the US without that diploma he might have been arrested or sued by now and stopped before he even really got started. Our society is totally into sheets of paper. If he was going to accomplish what he did he HAD to have that piece of paper - and that piece of paper takes a lot of time doing bullshit work that was in his view probably useless when he already understood better - so why NOT make it up? (at least in his thinking - which I get - but still might have been a real bad move)  The coyote thing was his way of making it ok for vegetarians to become carnivores. It wasn't his own mind - it was nature - animals that had him do it. It buys into something a vegetarian would not protest (including himself) and adds a bit of the mythical to his journey. It was probably true in his own mind that coyotes energetically convinced him - like the story of a rabbit jumping on the fire to save Buddha. He had something he felt was so important to impart that he created his own mythology.

In a way it worked. Look at us here! He may be gone tomorrow - but the message still lives.

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Re: Controversial anti-Aajonus claim
« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2012, 03:55:36 am »
I dont understand why people just assume that the coyote story is fake. Ive seen crazier things happen in my life that.
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Re: Controversial anti-Aajonus claim
« Reply #15 on: June 07, 2012, 04:30:02 am »
I dont understand why people just assume that the coyote story is fake. Ive seen crazier things happen in my life that.
I believe another poster linked to a genuine story in which an underwater photographer was given a dead penguin to eat by a concerned leopard seal who thought the guy was too thin. Even so, the whole thing about going into the wilderness for (40?) days reminds me of a similiar story in the Bible re Jesus. His citing of learning wisdom from  a Native American Chieftain is also corny as hell, but it is exactly the sort of thing that the affluent libtards in the Malibu area, who are among his main clients, would be gullible enough to swallow.
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Re: Controversial anti-Aajonus claim
« Reply #16 on: June 07, 2012, 07:52:31 am »
Yeah, don't get me wrong, I'm all about the truth, and I'd prefer that the people around me stick to it, but if I have to choose Aajonus or No Aajonus, I choose Aajonus! He is literally, solely responsible for the person I am today. He essentially saved my life....

It seems strange to me, but I feel exactly the same way about Aajonus. The whole time I was reading WWTL, I kept saying to myself, "This guy's a whack-job!" Then, I began eating all raw and sometimes rotten meats and recovered from the brink of being a total invalid. I'm even willing to believe that he saw flies "manifesting" on rock, whatever that means.
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Re: Controversial anti-Aajonus claim
« Reply #17 on: June 07, 2012, 08:01:57 am »
I believe another poster linked to a genuine story in which an underwater photographer was given a dead penguin to eat by a concerned leopard seal who thought the guy was too thin. Even so, the whole thing about going into the wilderness for (40?) days reminds me of a similiar story in the Bible re Jesus. His citing of learning wisdom from  a Native American Chieftain is also corny as hell, but it is exactly the sort of thing that the affluent libtards in the Malibu area, who are among his main clients, would be gullible enough to swallow.

Just because it sounds corny to you doesnt mean it isnt true. I have firsthand experience of the world working in such seemingly absurd and mysterious ways such as this before. The universe has a way of lining things up like this.
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Re: Controversial anti-Aajonus claim
« Reply #19 on: June 07, 2012, 12:00:56 pm »
I just wish he'd quit pushing dairy so hard. 

And the whole fake-PhD thing isn't helping much, either. 

In the long run, though, Aajonus getting discredited isn't going to hurt the raw or paleo movements much.  There's just too much logic and common sense in the concepts we work with for them to lose momentum because of that.

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« Reply #20 on: June 07, 2012, 09:18:32 pm »
I just wish he'd quit pushing dairy so hard. 

And the whole fake-PhD thing isn't helping much, either. 

In the long run, though, Aajonus getting discredited isn't going to hurt the raw or paleo movements much.  There's just too much logic and common sense in the concepts we work with for them to lose momentum because of that.

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Re: Controversial anti-Aajonus claim
« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2012, 11:11:23 pm »
From Aaj's website..... just reposting for info's purpose not affirming or denying any of it... though as I've said, I stand by Aajonus period.
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Is Aajonus for Real? Who Wrote the Books That Bear his Name?
Analyzing Adams’ Tirade About My Honorary Doctorate…
… you would think that my doctorate caused a near cataclysm to planet Earth:

A man identifying himself as Mr. Price(?) from University of St. Andrews in Scotland contacted me in December 2004 offering me an honorary doctorate. He stated that one of its graduates submitted my name to him for my phenomenal work in the field of nutrition and that my diet had reversed his terminal cancers. The school wanted to honor me with the doctorate because my work would also honor the university. He explained that an honorary degree was given for someone who excelled in and expanded knowledge in a particular field. I told him that I was aware of honorary degrees.

I told him that I had been offered two honorary degrees, one from a University in India (1999) and another in Kansas (2000). I told him that I refused both because I did not want to be associated with a nutritional degree from a university because my work defied all knowledge taught about nutrition in universities. He stated that it was the same for Bob Dylan who had received an honorary doctor early that year in June 2004. I mused that Dylan had railed against university knowledge in his songs and had dropped out of college. He said that Bob accepted his degree in person in Scotland at St Andrews in recognition for his outstanding contribution to musical and literary culture. I said that as long as the doctorate stated that it was for my original work in the field of nutrition, I would consider accepting it.

Several weeks passed. Mr. Price called me twice. I accepted the HONORARY doctorate but was asked to submit my books for qualification purposes. I sent him my 2 books We Want To Live, and The Recipe For Living Without Disease. I was even quizzed on some of the material I submitted.

A week later, Mr. Price called and stated that since St. Andrews did not have any nutritional doctorate program, my honorary doctorate would be bestowed on me by its affiliate Richmond University of London. While on the phone, I Yahoo-searched it and found the website showing an established looking university with old-style buildings, students, curricula and degrees. However, when I received the doctorate in August 2005, it was from Richmonds University. I searched for Richmonds University website and it looked very legitimate with all sorts of curricula and degrees, including photos of students, with modern buildings, classrooms and grounds in a city environment.

Just now, I tried to access the website but it no longer exists but it referred me to scholastic programs that looked legitimate. Either the University is now defunct, absorbed by another or other universities, or I was duped. Since the doctorate is now in question, I removed it from my wall. Also today, I have asked someone in London to go to the address that was on the return-address of the envelope that held my degree; I wrote it in my address book along with the London fax number and USA contact number from an email.

If it were a scam to get money, why did they give it to me? That does not make sense. The doctorate clearly states for “…having demonstrated ability by original research magna cum laude – with great distinction in nutrition the degree of Doctor of Philosophy.”  It does NOT state that I took any curriculum at University. It does NOT state that I excelled at academic studies. It is an HONORARY doctorate. I reiterate, “…HAVING DEMONSTRATED ABILITY BY ORIGINAL RESEARCH IN NUTRITION…” The most common research doctorate is the Doctor of Philosophy (Ph.D.). In my case, philosophy of nutrition. Mine is NOT an academic degree. It is not a doctor of medicine or doctor of health sciences.

Is my doctorate false?  Did someone set me up with a scam? Any forger can repeat someone’s name that appears on a real document. Notice that the degrees that are compared to mine are very different. Why would there be that much difference if they came from the same place? Is my doctorate not a fake and theirs is? Would we expect to find different names of a faculty on a real document as apposed to a forgery if any of the faculty members were the same?

I am not in possession of an academic degree. I have not flaunted any curriculum transcripts that I do not possess. I have not applied for any job or government position with it. So, why all of the rant about those issues?

I was proud of receiving recognition for my work but the degree is not my work.  Interesting fact, as soon as I received the honorary doctorate in 2005, I told James Stewart.  Without seeing it or asking about it, he laughed and said that it was a fake. Why did he say that? I helped save his life and put him in business. However,

I did not take it too deeply to heart because Stewart often directed ill-remarks at me and others.

But who incited Adams to investigate the doctorate and distract from Stewart’s and Palmer’s crimes? That is an interesting question but not at real issue of the fraudulent food. There are many people in government and medicine who would love to discredit me. However, was there a crime? If so, which was/were committed and by whom?

I was and am the same individual with or without an HONORARY Ph.D. My work stands for itself and my reputation is unblemished by thorough evidence. See testimonials at www.WeWant2Live.com . The degree is not my work. The validity of the doctorate is relatively inconsequential. My patients who report to me that they are now well instead of dying, crippled, health improving or no longer diseased are the joys in my life. I request that as many as possible state how my work has improved their lives on Facebook and Tweeter.

I need more evidence other than the word of someone I no longer trust for truth in reporting that my honorary doctorate is not valid. Mine may be valid even through those posted by Adams are admitted frauds. Just because there are counterfeit $100 bills does not mean that they are all counterfeit. Is there anyone who can find the people who know anything about Richmonds University? I suspect we should follow the money.
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Re: Controversial anti-Aajonus claim
« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2012, 11:44:51 pm »
is this a recent post by him?
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« Reply #23 on: June 08, 2012, 12:12:30 am »
is this a recent post by him?

ofcourse it is. It's his response to the accusations by Adams.

What do you guys think of Mike Adams, is he an honest journalist, or a guy with an agenda?

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Re: Controversial anti-Aajonus claim
« Reply #24 on: June 08, 2012, 12:35:37 am »
Im not sure. he seems to be more on the vegan side of things. Im pretty suspicious of him especially after this.

To me it seems like mike adams and james stewart became butt buddies and that mike just believes everything he says because he has "patriot street cred" for going to jail and now mike is just pushing his side of the story. Im much more convinced by aajonuses side of the story however.

Im very upset with this report. Its the worst thing I have ever seen infowars do.
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