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were early humans under-weight?
« on: June 08, 2013, 07:13:45 am »
I don't think early humans (even the hunter-gatherers) were huge muscular men. They were probably under-weight but lean.

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Re: were early humans under-weight?
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2013, 01:20:55 pm »
I don't think early humans (even the hunter-gatherers) were huge muscular men. They were probably under-weight but lean.

Oh, this will be a funny discussion!  -d

First of all: what is your goal by this discussion?

Then, please clarify: what is an 'early human' for you? Homo habilis? Homo erectus? Homo neanderthalensis?
What are huge muscular men? Definied by relationship of fat and muscle?
How do you define under-weight?
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Re: were early humans under-weight?
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2013, 02:50:21 pm »
who knows. I believe that every form of man we currently see has existed with what we view as the most primitive for millions of years.

Thatbeing said fat was less necessary in less polluted times.

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Re: were early humans under-weight?
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2013, 04:34:14 pm »
I don't think early humans (even the hunter-gatherers) were huge muscular men. They were probably under-weight but lean.
This is all nonsense. Palaeo studies have shown that early humans had very thick bones which corresponds to having very strong muscles, so that they were found to be stronger than modern athletes.
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Re: were early humans under-weight?
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2013, 02:48:07 am »
American indians who ate mostly raw meat were quite lean from what I can tell even though they were extremely strong.

I think id be a good deal leaner though if I didnt have dairy.

need to look into this more though.
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Re: were early humans under-weight?
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2013, 02:57:43 am »
This is all nonsense. Palaeo studies have shown that early humans had very thick bones which corresponds to having very strong muscles, so that they were found to be stronger than modern athletes.

Heard of that several times. Do you have a link to an internet site providing a more in-depth view?

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« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2013, 03:01:08 am »
i really like you sig life, thats some sound advice about taste.

Thank you. It's an important hint in my view. But sometimes it's hard to follow such simple principles... especially if you were used to cooking for many, many decades.

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Re: were early humans under-weight?
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2013, 04:25:08 am »
Heard of that several times. Do you have a link to an internet site providing a more in-depth view?


Loren Cordain mentions this numerous times. Somewhere on his sites should have refs to the studies pointing out this fact.
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Re: were early humans under-weight?
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2013, 05:38:35 am »
The masai tribe are also quite lean

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Re: were early humans under-weight?
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2013, 05:40:17 am »
my goal is to find out if I am under-weight. I am 5"10 and half, 126 lbs

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Re: were early humans under-weight?
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2013, 06:12:28 am »
There is a neurological aspect to strength as well as a muscular size aspect, so with high neurological efficiency you can use the muscle you have better, but someone with your level of efficiency with larger muscles will be stronger than you.

And I am 5'4 and 150lb, my wife is 5'5 and 130lb and I consider her lean, so I would say that you are underweight.
That's not paleo.

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« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2013, 06:58:32 am »
There is a neurological aspect to strength as well as a muscular size aspect, so with high neurological efficiency you can use the muscle you have better, but someone with your level of efficiency with larger muscles will be stronger than you.

And I am 5'4 and 150lb, my wife is 5'5 and 130lb and I consider her lean, so I would say that you are underweight.

The thing is, I cannot gain weight. I just cannot. Some have told me to eat more fat, yet still cannot gain weight. Interestingly, only carbs make me gain weight

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Re: were early humans under-weight?
« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2013, 08:04:42 am »
my goal is to find out if I am under-weight. I am 5"10 and half, 126 lbs

That sounds pretty underweight.

The thing is, I cannot gain weight. I just cannot. Some have told me to eat more fat, yet still cannot gain weight. Interestingly, only carbs make me gain weight


if that's the case eat carbs and fat. You need the fat for good health any way. Just make sure you're eating clean carbs.
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« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2013, 11:33:44 am »
That sounds pretty underweight.

if that's the case eat carbs and fat. You need the fat for good health any way. Just make sure you're eating clean carbs.

what do you define as clean carbs? veggies/fruits? I think fruits give me acne though :(

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« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2013, 12:01:52 pm »
The thing is, I cannot gain weight. I just cannot. Some have told me to eat more fat, yet still cannot gain weight. Interestingly, only carbs make me gain weight

If you are very very lean and just can't gain weight you maybe have a hormonal issue. One simple way (at least in theory) to fix that is using cold thermogenesis. Read Jack Kruse blog about this topic. It's hard to put this stuff into practice (e.g. who wants to stay in a tub for 30 minutes at 8 degree celsius?).

I was just curious about different claims of Jack Kruse so I gave it a try. And (by coincidence) I gained (much) weight within some weeks.
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« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2013, 12:29:58 pm »
If you are very very lean and just can't gain weight you maybe have a hormonal issue. One simple way (at least in theory) to fix that is using cold thermogenesis. Read Jack Kruse blog about this topic. It's hard to put this stuff into practice (e.g. who wants to stay in a tub for 30 minutes at 8 degree celsius?).

I was just curious about different claims of Jack Kruse so I gave it a try. And (by coincidence) I gained (much) weight within some weeks.

I probably do have hormonal issues because I have body acne.

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Re: were early humans under-weight?
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2013, 03:19:17 pm »
raw goat milk for weight gain.
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« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2013, 04:12:34 pm »
raw goat milk for weight gain.
I need to find a source of raw goat milk

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Re: were early humans under-weight?
« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2013, 08:08:42 pm »
what do you define as clean carbs? veggies/fruits? I think fruits give me acne though :(

I define clean carbs as fruits/veggies.

Honestly I can't say what will help you. Your digestive tract sounds pretty messed up based on what you've been telling us. You say white rice doesn't hurt your stomach, but fruits are a problem. You need to experiment with various foods and see what works.
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Re: were early humans under-weight?
« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2013, 08:38:45 pm »
If you've got hormonal issues the last thing u wanna be consuming is milk. Milk contains a whole load of hormones itself, many of which can cross through our gut walls and in to the blood stream in tact, which can lead to all sorts of problems.
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Re: were early humans under-weight?
« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2013, 11:02:40 pm »
raw goat milk for weight gain.

How about adding raw cheese?  Aajonus had nice things to say about raw cheese.
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Re: were early humans under-weight?
« Reply #21 on: June 10, 2013, 02:52:13 pm »
raw cheese may be do something but its msotly minerals not that much utilizable fat. Plus its a lot easier to drink a lot of milk thane at a lot of cheese. Plus a lot of cheese on its own can make you constipated.
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Re: were early humans under-weight?
« Reply #22 on: June 10, 2013, 09:14:57 pm »
raw cheese may be do something but its msotly minerals not that much utilizable fat. Plus its a lot easier to drink a lot of milk thane at a lot of cheese. Plus a lot of cheese on its own can make you constipated.

what scares me about milk (Even raw) is that when I tried raw COWS Milk, it gave me bad breakouts

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Re: were early humans under-weight?
« Reply #23 on: June 10, 2013, 11:40:35 pm »
A bad breakout can indicate detox. I had a huge breakout before my acne went away.

DUring detox a particular symptom one has often flares up and gets a lot worse before it goes away.
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