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General Discussion / Re: CRON-O-METER Nutrient Program
« on: August 04, 2008, 07:31:36 pm »
I've tried doing alternate day fasting bout it didn't work for me. You see, you have to remember to eat large amounts on the days you're allowed to eat food, as otherwise you get real hunger-pangs which are most distracting. My preference is to eat once a day, but quite often I will find myself concentrating heavily on one or two issues, during the week, and will simply forget to eat for a day or two, here and there.

The shellfish thing I think is self-evident; of course they were around in paleo times but they were obviously less a part of anyone's diet than land animals. Even today if you had a nice piece of land on the coast, several hundred acres, I would imagine just naturally you would hunt more land animals than fish/shellfish because it's more reward per effort and requires less tools.

I don't know of any cultures consuming dairy in paleolithic times myself but it does have a long history in Mongolia (camel dairy) and probably other places. I would not be surprised either way, whether it was consumed pre or post Neolithic, but it seems the possibility is there and hasn't been disproven. That's really the idea here is that saying dairy is absolutely only Neolithic in every civilization requires more burden of proof than saying perhaps it wasn't. I agree though it's more likely that dairy is generally or completely Neolithic.

You'd be surprised how much shellfish one can pick up on an isolated beach free of human interference.  I believe "wodgina" mentioned how his own local beaches are absolutely covered in them. One should also remember that hunter-gatherers tend to view all sorts of things as food which modern peoples never would(for example, I eat raw limpets when I'm on the Italian coast, but these don't appear on most(if not all) Western menus in restaurants. Granted, though, the migrating herds of bison would have perhaps been easier to deal with.

Another point is that, at least in the Late Palaeolithic, the various peoples had at least rafts and perhaps even boats - otherwise the Australian Aborigines couldn't have reached  Australia c.40,000 years ago - AFAIK, there was no land-bridge connecting Australia to Southeast Asia at the time.

As regards dairy, it's been suggested by a few Fallonites et al, that dairy might have been consumed in the Palaeolithic. This seems unlikely as cattle, according to online sources, were only domesticated at around 8,000 BC, well into the Neolithic era. Some have suggested that hunters in Palaeolithic times must have drunk the milk from the udders of slain wild cows(ie female aurochs), but the amounts of milk left in udders after death  is very small - indeed, in mammals, milk-production is stimulated via  hormones in response to the suckling effect of the relevant infant, so there's no need to store milk in the breast-area.

General Discussion / Re: Dr Ron's Organ Delight
« on: August 04, 2008, 06:03:28 pm »
do you think this supplement is worth it?

i cant eat raw meat, but i was thinking of doing raw vegetarian diet (eggs) and just take this supplement?

In the long-term, the above is NOT  a solution, on its own. In the short-term, if you were supplementing with higher doses of Dr Ron's supplements(ie buying some of the more specific organs and glands), then you'd likely avoid some of the more serious deficiencies that can arise from a Raw Vegan diet - but the Organic Organ Delight on its own has only a sixth of the amounts for each organ/gland that the more specific Dr Ron's supplements have - my  suggestion would be to get hold of the thyroid and adrenal glands for any glandular-related health issues plus the specific supplements for liver, heart and pancreas(and maybe kidney, though not really as important) - in view of the lack of raw animal food in your diet,  3 pills a day would be best(just open the gelatin capsules and tap the stuff out, as the gelatin of the capsule blocks absorption of the nutrients to some extent). In addition to the specific supplements for liver, pancreas etc., you would also definitely need a spoonful or two of  fermented cod-liver-oil or krill-oil every day  in order to get sufficient Omega-3 fatty acids(Blue Ice fermented cod-liver oil is the only one I know which is genuinely raw without additives - Mercola recommends a particular Krill Oil as being OK - have a look at his site re this).

But this is all a stop-gap and really doesn't solve your health-issues in the long-term. It would be far better to eat plenty of minimally-cooked meats/organ-meats and see if, over time, you can reduce the cooking-temperature by a degree , every so often - this would also be a lot cheaper than buying a multitude of supplements to support an otherwise nutritionally-deficient diet. If, for any reason, you are absolutely unable to ever eat raw meats of any kind, despite taking longer to transition to raw, then at least the minimally-cooked meats are not quite  as bad as highly-processed/heavily-cooked junk-food.

General Discussion / Re: Cacao
« on: August 04, 2008, 05:38:43 pm »
Haven't touched cacao since going rawpalaeo.

General Discussion / Re: maca
« on: August 04, 2008, 05:36:42 pm »
i actually have hashimotos ( which is an autoimmune disease)

i also have a whole host of fatty acid/ vitamin/ mineral deficiencies.

also i have extremely low testosterone levels, and weak adrenal functioning...

a doctor diagnosed me with these; i have got a massive amount of testing done;

i dont know if diet can help me or not anymore. i may need hormonal replacement

Given that Hashimoto's is designated as an auto-immune disease, it would be a good idea to avoid raw dairy, in case you're currently eating raw butter etc. Dairy and grains are a really bad idea for those with auto-immune issues.

General Discussion / Re: CRON-O-METER Nutrient Program
« on: August 04, 2008, 05:27:37 pm »
Who says that?

I know the Up day down day diet has a similar theme.

There were some studies mentioned on the fasting  yahoo group which stated that leaving more than 24 hours between meals(ie not eating every alternate day) was more effective than eating just one meal a day. I can't recall, offhand, though, which studies confirmed this.

General Discussion / Re: CRON-O-METER Nutrient Program
« on: August 03, 2008, 11:46:03 pm »
The best IF routine is supposed to be to eat only every alternate day.

General Discussion / Re: Social Pressures
« on: August 03, 2008, 09:19:14 pm »
How do you deal with the social pressures?

i find this to be the hardest part, when im home i can eat 100% raw good, but if at a party or holiday its extremely difficult and if i just eat fruit or something and turn down the food, i get an awkward stare and a feeling of being tense...people connect through food.

how do you do it?! and still keep friends and family.

i want to be the life of the party but not engage in there unhealthy acts... i havent been able todo it yet.

Also, do you ever lecture friends or family? or is it best to not say anything?

This is a much-needeed question to ask on this board. I was wondering when people would get around to it.

Here are various suggestions offered by various RPDers over time, to cope with social pressures:-

1) Be confident about your diet. If you show nervousness when explaining your diet, then other people will feel nervous too. In short, humans are naturally empathic, and it's wise not to show any uncertainty re your diet. That said, it's not a good idea to boast about the diet in public unnecessarily- , if you're asked, mention that you're doing a raw, palaeolithic diet,  vaguely in passing, as though it's only a minor part of your life. No one has a clue about what a "raw, palaeolithic diet" is, and few will enquire further, usually.

2) Make compromises. Some American RPDers go to restaurants and ask the chef to cook their meats "cold on a cold plate", meaning the meats are only cooked for 10 seconds on either side, or so. Or they always invite people to restaurants offering raw seafood such as Japanese Sashimi restaurants etc.(my favourite option as they usually offer sushi as well which is good for my cooked-food-eating acquaintances). Some do naughty things like go and eat raw at  Korean restaurants - some types of Korean restaurant give you the pan etc. on the table along with  the raw animal food which they expect you to cook right there, but some RPDers just go to an isolated table and pretend to cook them, but just warm them for a few seconds).

3) Third option is to eat some high-meat and some enzymes before going out to  every single cooked-meal, so as to minimise digestive-issues that often arise after such meals. Also, eat those cooked-foods but just eat little bites at each meal, claiming that you're on a diet.

4) There are various sites online which tell you how to reduce the amounts of toxins created by cooking:-

5) Re lecturing:- Don't bother lecturing anybody. I was in an appalling state of health pre-raw diet with  extremely obvious quite visible symptoms of ill-health, yet most people around me just pretended that I was always OK  with no difference after several years on raw - I even have one acquaintance who is a total moron (and a doctor), who tried to delude himself that I was only a little healthy as a result of eating less fat(actually, I told him that my raw-fat-intake was pretty high). This moron is a 100% believer in the Balanced Diet and is in appalling state of ill-health(he's 69 and has to take pain-killers every single day in order to cope with extremely painful joints ruined by decades on cooked diets).

 Plus, by avoiding the preaching/lecturing, you avoid the "them and us" view that some Rawists mistakenly have. After all, if you criticise other peoples' diets, you can't expect them not to criticise yours. The best thing is to just do the diet, and occasionally some wise people will notice how healthy you are and ask questions. Few will go all-raw, unless they're in dire straits, but one or two, here and there, will make healthier choices such as eating lots of sushi instead of the usual fried junk-food or whatever. At least, that's what I've found.

*Hopefully, others on this board will have further suggestions re this rather important topic*.

General Discussion / Re: maca
« on: August 03, 2008, 08:46:31 pm »
I used to go in for adaptogenic herbs like Siberian Ginseng but they did nothing for me(well I was in such an awful state thanks to dairy, that no herb would have worked).

Here's a minor cautionary note re Maca which I found on wikipedia:-

"However, maca does contain glucosinolates, which can cause goitres when high consumption is combined with a diet low in iodine."

Karl Loren, judging from what I read earlier, likes to promote Aajonus' Primal Diet but only eats partially-raw. I have to admit that his website was very useful when I first started this diet all those years ago (at the time, it was the only website on Raw-Animal-Food diets other than Vinny's website).

*Just noticed this thread and thought I ought to add a couple of points*

First, there is pretty sparse evidence from Palaeolithic times. One can reasonably state that meat-eating was more common than plant-eating, as current evidence in favour of this is in the majority, but there are some concerns re the dating and analysis of some evidence such as ancient hominid bones, so one can't state for certain that palaeos ate zero-carb or omnivorous diets - could even be a mixture of both, depending on the regions etc.

As regards, fish, again there's some controversy. There's the Aquatic Ape theory which states that we gained our intelligence/bigger brains, millions of years ago, from eating huge amounts of raw seafood rich in EFAs. On the other hand, one palaeo guru(Cordain?) claims that seafood-consumption only became a major part of the human diet c.20,000 years ago, with the first  evidence of some seafood being eaten  occurring c.300,000 years ago. But, again, there's so little evidence from so far back in time, that it's going to take major scientific advances re dating and the finding of fossils, before one can reasonably conclude when seafood was introduced.

I generally use Palaeo-theory only as a guideline, given the lack of data, in general. In my own case, I can only say that I don't thrive as well if I don't include some raw seafood in my diet - just meats/organ-meats and fats for my animal-food didn't work for me, whether on zero-carb or otherwise. On the other hand, I've tried an all-raw-seafood diet and didn't do well on that, either.

General Discussion / Re: Raw fat vs Cooked fat
« on: August 03, 2008, 06:37:23 pm »
Here's an excerpt in this section of the  wikipedia "Saturated Fat" page:-

"Another confounding issue may be the formation of exogenous (outside the body) advanced glycation endproducts (AGEs) and oxidation products generated during cooking, which it appears some of the studies have not controlled for. It has been suggested that, "given the prominence of this type of food in the human diet, the deleterious effects of high-(saturated)fat foods may be in part due to the high content in glycotoxins, above and beyond those due to oxidized fatty acid derivatives." [34] The glycotoxins, as he called them, are more commonly called AGEs[28]"

You should also be able to find any number of webpages showing how easily EFAs(essential fatty acids) get turned to transfats by heat(eg:- "All these oils are available at natural foods stores and should be cold and raw when consumed, not used in cooking because again, with the exception of olive oil (which is higher in saturated fat), exposure to high heat and oxygen damages unsaturated fats and creates trans fatty acids." taken from:-

It doesn't really matter if it's from pork or whatever  as long as it's organic and more importantly pastured.

Primal Diet / Re: Aajonus' Appearances and Primal Potlucks
« on: August 03, 2008, 12:52:21 am »
Let's celebrate at the annual Primal Potluck at Aajonus'

   Our rawfood feast is almost here.  Whether you eat Primal Diet 100%
          or not, let's get together for some culinary fun!  Bring your favorite raw-food dish!
  It’s  easy; select and make a recipe from Aajonus' recipe book.

Sunday, August 24, 2008 from 1 - 5 p.m.
(Potluck from 1-3 PM and Q&A from 3-5 PM.)

2300/2900 S Kanan Dume Road, Malibu, CA 90265

You do not need to RSVP, but if you get lost, call
Aajonus at 310-589-0589

 !!!! Some people are very SCENTsitive so please refrain

from using colognes, perfumes and fragrant oils.  Thank you!!!!

If you stay beyon potluck-festivity to enjoy and learn from Aajonus’
answers, please bring $25.  Raise your hand if you have a question.
There is no fee for the potluck, but everyone is expected to bring
and share a raw-meat dish for 4 people that is compatible with
Aajonus’ Primal Diet (no salt, no store-bought sauces, and no
vegetable salads, please!).

P.S.  You may bring guests and guests are required to bring raw-
food dishes, not wear perfumes or fragrance oils, and pay $25 if
they stay for Q&A. Anyone wanting to ask questions must have
read the book:  We Want To Live.  This will be available at the
Potluck, standard price, and Aajonus will autograph them if you wish.

If you have an email address and receive this flyer via postal mail, please
let us know by emailing with “Potluck - postal to
email” as Subject; we will save trees and reduce pollution.  Thank you!

Pacific Coast Highway (PCH) to Kanan-Dume Road (approximately
18 miles north of I-10, just beyond Paradise Cove) and turn right. 
Drive 3.5 miles, pull to the right and turn in front of the yellow
diamond-shaped road sign with an arrow pointing downward and
stop in front of the short stone/cement wall and pole gate.

exit in Agoura Hills and exit.  Turn southbound.  Follow Kanan
Road for 9 miles through 3 tunnels (after a few miles the street
name changes to Kanan-Dume Road)).  At approximately 1/2 mile
past the 3rd tunnel (posted T-1) look for a “break area” road sign
on the right with an arrow pointing downward.  Turn left onto the
wide shoulder on the opposite side of the road and stop in front
of the short stone/cement wall and pole gate.

FROM EITHER DIRECTION:  Park outside the gate on the
shoulder of the road.  Or park in the lot to the right just inside the
gate if the gate is open.

Walk down the drive and take the left fork in the road. (Follow
the signs to "Aajonus" & "The Cliff House" to the left.)
After approximately 60 feet there is a stairway on your right.
Descend the staircase until you come to two houses at the
bottom. It’s the house on the left!  Walk on the right side of the
house to the backyard.  Welcome!

Welcoming Committee / Re: Hi
« on: August 02, 2008, 09:41:26 pm »
It all depends on the individual. In my own case, pre-rawpalaeo diet I used to suffer from extremely painful stomach-aches from eating any cooked animal food, so it was easier for me than others to get used to the diet. I almost instantly got used to eating many types of raw fish/raw shellfish, and found the taste of raw, minced steak rather bland, but not off-putting. Some raw organ-meats took  longer for me to get used to - others use things like blenders/vitamixes early on in the diet in order to get used to the taste, but I never bothered with that as I liked the idea that one could save so much time otherwise spent on cooking or having someone else cook something for you). My solution with raw liver was to bolt down  very small slivers of it, without chewing, followed quickly by a gulp of alkaline mineral-water - after a while, I didn't feel the need, any more. Other raw organ-meats like raw tongue were pretty easy to get used to(though for the first 2 years, I would cut out the darker, stringier parts on the underside of the tongue, as I didn't like it as much as the pinker, lighter-coloured part of the tongue).

I would say that, on average, people can take 8 to 12 months, according to reports, to get fully used to and enjoy the taste of raw meats. This is assuming the following things:- eating mostly 100% organic, grassfed or wildcaught meats, eating mostly(85%+?) raw food, and always going in for lots of variety(this is important as everyone has uniquely different tastes, and finds some raw animal foods much easier to get used to than others etc.) And the more cooked-food one eats, of course, the more difficult it is to for beginners get used to sticking with  raw, due to the addictive opioids in cooked foods etc.

*Please read the info-thread in the general diet section of this board for the easiest way to get used to going rawpalaeo*:-

Off Topic / Re: Nudism
« on: August 02, 2008, 06:21:53 pm »
I'm sort of surprised because I live and work in a touristy environment and the female Europeans, even British Europeans, have had to be told that they can't go topless on our beaches. It is against the law. They seem surprised. Also young European men are about the only men you'll see wearing speedos to the beach. Elderly American men seem to have no qualms about it though! What a sight THAT can be!  :o The younger American males, teens and early twenties, might wear the standard trunks but so loose as to let their cracks show. But they wouldn't be caught dead wearing speedos.

Continental Europe has a tradition of toplessness and nudism. The UK doesn't really. The only exception is on the beach where UKers can wear the skimpiest things(as long as the lower private parts are covered). But going around bare-chested as a man when you're more than a mile away from the beach is frowned upon heavily.

General Discussion / Re: Diabetes Cure Website - Need Your Suggestions
« on: August 01, 2008, 04:43:08 am »
In a recent thankfully failed) action by the medical council to only allow doctors in California to give advice on nutrition, Aajonus pointed out that such doctors typically receive only 6 hours of lessons on nutrition in their entire time in Medical Education.

Primal Diet / Re: Aajonus' Appearances and Primal Potlucks
« on: August 01, 2008, 02:07:42 am »
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I truly sympathise with you as I've had similiar problems in the past. What would be best is if you could find a local farmer who does his own slaughtering - they do exist.  A farmer who just has the abattoir do it all, will have no control over anything and the abattoir people will be too limited to be able to change their inflexible routine(and won't care about the customer).

I'm surprised that US farmers wouldn't know what suet is - even UK farmers who haven't a clue about what adrenals are, do know what suet is. The trouble is that most farmers tend to slaughter their cattle too soon (2-3 years after birth), partly due to stupid government regulations and their desire to make a profit, and grassfed cattle need more time to build up enough fat.  You could substitute the suet with ox-/beef-tongue which is very high in fat(50-60%?) though not as high as suet. As regards tallow, that is rendered(ie cooked) suet so is not ideal, but if there are no other sources ....

Raw butter is better than other kinds of raw dairy, in that short-term effects are much less common. But people do frequently report minor to major symptoms from it, in the long-term.

Check out and search the site under "New York" to find some farms listed for that region.

In short, I definitely don't recommend zero-carb for anyone who doesn't have a cast-iron guarantee from one or more farms as regards regular delivery of high-quality grassfed meat with enough quality fats. So, I would suggest going back to zero-carb only when you're in a position to order from Slanker's or NorthStar Bison(US wellness seems to hvae acquired a bad reputation from other US RPDers, so I don't recommend it).

General Discussion / Re: Fiber
« on: July 31, 2008, 05:35:41 pm »
I would say that fibre is absolutely essential if you're on a cooked-food diet in order to remove clogged foods from the digestive system. But RAFers just don't need fibre. All fibre does for me is vastly increase the size of my stools, IMO.

General Discussion / Re: Supplements
« on: July 31, 2008, 06:22:12 am »
Come to think of it, I even feel guilty recommending Dr Ron's supplements, but the trouble is that harsh government laws in the West prevent us  from buying such things as raw adrenals from organic, grassfed animals etc.

General Discussion / Re: Supplements
« on: July 31, 2008, 06:18:20 am »
Could you clarify that last sentence? It kind of reads like those three people take supplement recommendation to greedy extremes.

Sorry, error in grammar. I've changed it to refer to Aajonus as an exception to the rule of diet-gurus making money on supplements.

But you only have to look at their individual websites to see how many dodgy supplements they sell such as ionized water etc.

General Discussion / Re: interesting site
« on: July 31, 2008, 05:43:04 am »
Last I checked, had a silly page which purported to debunk so-called  vegan "myths" about how harmful intensively-farmed meat is. But the trouble is , that this is true, not false - though Vegans are, of course, dead wrong in labelling grassfed meat as being bad as well.

I was amused by the Biblical references re justifying a meat-rich diet - I mean the Bible is only the human interpretation of God, with multiple authors, so if one wants to, one can find and justify any diet by simply looking through the whole Bible to find a relevant source.

Hot Topics / Re: Cooked meat and health
« on: July 30, 2008, 10:21:27 pm »
If you look at the data(re HCAs/AGES/NSAs and PAHs), you'll find that cooked animal food is worse than cooked plant-food in its effect(partly because most animal-food is eaten well-cooked, while a lot of plant-food is either eaten raw or lightly-steamed). In short, a zero- or near-zero carb cooked diet  would invariably lead to a heart-attack or worse in the long run(though carb-related conditions would not happen) - it's true that the Eskimos following their traditional diet centuries ago didn't suffer from heart-disease, but they had several things going for them:- 1) A heavy amount of daily exercise and 2) a diet extremely rich in omega-3 fatty-acids from wild game such as seals, much of which meat was eaten raw(especially the organ-meats which are much higher in nutrients than the muscle-meats).

My advice would be for you to  compromise by going in for a high-fat cooked palaeolithic diet, according to the usual ratios(ie 65% animal food/35% plant-food). Try to eat the plant-food in raw form as it's more socially acceptable to do that, and cook your animal-food only minimally. Indeed, many RPDers are forced into social situations from time to time where they have to eat cooked-food so they usually tell people to just heat the meat for 10 seconds on both sides, thus leaving the inside more or less raw.

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