Did you eat fats Zi? Eating all those sprouts sounds like torture to me. You could do that a whole year at a time?! You must have had a very strong constitution.

    As Sproutarian I ate sprouts of various stages of development, I prepared them in various ways as well, and it was grain sprouts, legume sprouts, nut sprouts, oilseed sprouts and and and some seaweed.  Maybe I have a very strong constitution, maybe you're right.  People have looked in my eyes and told me I have many decades to go in this life, and I mean when I was sick, and I always believed they were right.  I did suspect I may die a number of times especially a number of years ago, but overall I knew I HAD to live, doesn't matter what I want, but what should be. I'm sure there are some others who were Sproutarian longer, Viktoras etc.  Everything has good and bad.  There was lots of energy, pretty nice energy.  I don't know if it's my constitution is strong, or rather the way my body deals with things helps me live longer.

    The nut and seed sprouts the way I prepared them got free form fatty acids, so there's the fats.

Would someone please explain how in accord with physics that someone without clothing for insulation and heat retention would prevent their skin from freezing in our extremities as the warmth is needed to protect the interior how we possibly would not get frostbite in extreme cold?

    The fat isn't just under the skin and no where else.  It's all over where you need it, after eating the right proportions for a while in my experience.  It's in and around every cell, like a child with thick non-dry skin or an older deer buck or buffalo.  Yes we don't have fur, or at least I don't, but if our skin changes and we have good fat in the right places inside, and I know my blood is thick and healthy type thick, I think it helps too.  My blood takes somewhere around four times longer than average people's to come out when I'm donating blood.

- did you feel like you could do the same naked?

That's quite a testimonial!..... and really cool btw.    What was the temperature - do you know?

    I spent a Winter in deep blizzards with open sandals very active no frost bite.  I wore thin blouses, no jacket at times, no problem.  My bathing preference or relaxing preference indoors at night was a cold bath, long one.  The sleeping I mentioned above, there was a lot of snow, but not as much as the blizzards.  I don't think I recorded the temperatures.  I really have hated heating and cooling for decades, so it isn't a big deal to sleep outside or walk open toes walking through too much snow for most people to go out at all, even if I just came in from warmer climate, in nasty blizzards with thin blouse between my skin and flying snow.  In Winters with heat on all the time, I can't take the heating (even if it were cooling in Summer).  It's been that way that I remember for about three decades.  So, for me it's not hard to do it really, it's more like it's sickening not to.  I have theories why.  I think my body has a need to regulate it's own temperature, then I feel good.  When something outside is regulating the room, my body/mind fight it and is confused and actually gets the wrong temperature.  I haven't tried it naked and don't plan to.  I don't think it would be the same.  I like a thin layer between me and the elements, maybe it's some of my unusual antibodies that I had.  Difference between raw animal food and fats and not is that my hands freeze terribly painfully without any of the raw fat (and raw meat). 

- would you really like to sleep outside in freezing weather - naked? Brrrrrrrr. It was almost freezing here last night and I thought to myself that I was grateful to have a shelter. Yesterday I had to work on my Meditteranean chickens'

    D, while practicing high fat raw meat diet I have slept outdoors in the snow without socks, no gloves, not hat, no scarf, no hood, no heater, no blanket, no tent, no heating grate, no fire, no shack, just shoes, a jacket, pants, that's about it.  I was not naked and I stayed near the wall to protect from some wind.  I slept well and my knees weren't even stiff in the morning.  I was more comfortable than indoor sleeping or sitting vegan or cooked.  I may do sleep like that all this Winter.  I told the son I've been talking about here.  A few days later he proclaimed he plans to sleep outdoors this Winter.  Eat high enough raw quality fat, and my experience is different.  Sure there were no mountain lions around, but at least there's no insects like outdoor tropics.  I can imagine a trillion mosquito bites trying this there.

    Not paleo, but I just drank some A2 raw unhomogenized local grass fed milk.

I'm curious, do they taste like goose eggs?

How do you feed your turkeys?

    I can hardly wait to try turkey eggs, maybe I should get turkeys instead of chickens or duck ..

    'Under-ripe' organic pineapple for the fruit.  Hemp oil instead of flax.  Fresh grass fed marrow for the fat.  Tasty -Thanks to my friend Barbara for sharing ideas.

    Half a bison steak and half a butter-bell.

Let me repeat: You say you can eat for example exclusively leg of deer (ca. 3% fat) for seven days??

    How does deer marrow fat compare with beef?

    Sometimes when there's nothing else to eat or drink and there's a juice bar that juices citrus or oranges, I get a big one for my meal.  I've done this a few times.  I don't like it very much, as it doesn't serve me as well as raw paleolithic food or primal diet a la AV. Adter drinking the juice I always poo.  The poo burns, unlike my regular poo which does not.  Could the orange juice be inflaming your son's hemeroids and be making them worse?  I don't have hemeroids, so I don't know.  I never burn from hot peppers or anything else. 

There is this no man's land in-between raw veganism and making the first steps into trying some unfertilized raw eggs or some milk products - which to many would still be considered vegetarian.

    Yes, for them, that forum, that is the no man's land, the egg or milk, yet they tolerate people who eat those to some degree, as long as they never do raw meat ever even once, or do it and jump back on the vegan train (as if that happens?)  Many of them spent years and years as vegetarian before they considered trying vegan for the first time.  Plus they don't differentiate factory farmed from pasture only animal foods.

    Me, it was modern farming of milk that turned me vegan.  Not the health so much, but the slavery the factory milk animals live their life in and the calves taken at birth.  I became vegan, cosmetics, toiletries and all, but it was the milk I considered worst at the core and source.

    So, when I "went back to meat" (back is a kind of joke to me as I never ate like this before), I went back with full intention of eating any animal (except human), any part (except very pointy), any stage of decomposition etc.  I didn't plan to take it any more step by step other than not introducing more than one "new" food in a week, and to as quickly as possible get all my new food groups in.

   

........... hey - maybe if you don't want to be mod - PHIL could be the mod!  Now THAT would be a hoot! 

    Aw, that's sweet of you D, but no thanks!  I don't want that job.  You're right Phil should be it.  He was 100% zero carb for the longest!  And still I think that's the majority of his diet.  Few vegans would want that forum, methinks. =) and the ones that did stick around, a number of them would be serious about actually trying the raw animal food lifestyle.  What a shame (being a little sarcastic here) we have such a great forum, and vegans can't express their veganness here.

    By the way, I love that part of the video you posted where that little boy looovvved the taste of the half grown duck egg.

Maybe it'll help to explain dat I was raised in the olde school. Me parents felt I deserved to choose what they pleased and if I felt the deepest need to make me own decisions it would have been out to the cats I'd have been thrown. The new wave of kids doin' what they please is incomprehensible to me, try as ye may to explain it. Please forgive my backwardness and thickheadedness.

    I had no choice either.  My parents chose what I ate and if I ate.  I don't know how many children you have, but they can have very individual personalities etc.  This one has to have choices.  I know we might all feel better with choices, but some have a spirit like that way more than others. 

I do understand that hunter-gatherers give their children freer reign, but then there are fewer bad foods and other problems for them to deal with, or at least there were.

    This is a second marriage ... before I only kept healthy foods around, had son's friends over all the time who loved my food ... and I made as balanced natural meal as possible at regular times.  This time I'm with a great guy who loves a different lifestyle and more importantly is very strong in it and resistant to everything to the end (constant noise of many sorts at one time and lots of the fakest foods possible etc etc).  Son realizes now that my partner's food choices are almost as unhealthy as humanly possible, but son is way past a lot of things.  He is concerned his step dad may get sick/incapacitated from the tons junk-food he buys every day.  If you want and son wants, talk with him.  Maybe you can understand if explained, maybe not.  But it would be up to him to do it if he wants.

I know that I will never be able to eat my chickens so don't be too surprised (if he loves animals that much and they become pets) if your son won't eat them either or get really upset if you want to. ...How many chickens did you have and what size is your yard?

    He told me today he wants to raise a few (dairy) goats, and if they have twins, he plans to sell them as pets or to be dairy goats, and will not let me eat them.

    We didn't own the property, but we were the people who lived there, so we didn't own the chickens.  I would say there were about thirty.  It was on three acres, and there were lots of juicy bugs and lizards to eat etc.  Presently my back yard is maybe six feet by twelve feet.  The front yard has no fence.  It's maybe twenty-four by twelve feet.  I believe it turns out to be completely illegal to have a chicken here.

    Took great care of that cricket, offering at least four different kinds of fresh nice organic fruit and veges every day.  Kept in a glass tank with pulled grass bedding.  Lived about six months, if I remember right.  We had plenty more, but that one was obviously special.  Always stood out near/amongst the rest of them.

    Sounds good.  The chickens can be available, eggs available, and not being pushed to produce, as only eaten from when we need.  I'm paying as much attention as I can to slaughtering too, so I'll be able to do it in a compassionate way when I start that part.  We've lived with chickens before too, didn't eat any then, no one ate them, more like a hobby farm.  He was great at catching them and "hypnotizing" them (calming them intentionally and gently).  They did eat some corn.  He helped feed them that every day.  He wasn't a whole lot bigger than them then more or less, possibly less than ten times their weight, and they were a small variety that were good at flying.

    Be well TheSt0rm! 

    Sorry we weren't a good fit or vice versa.  Like D said, we've been not only doing raw paleo, but also another end of the spectrum of raw diet forums, so vegan is not on the menu here.  Maybe that will change, it's up to the moderators/long timers and what's best for the forum to grow and present a raw paleo approach.  And I'm sure paleo people still raw did not eat their whole diet vegan and the bulk of it sprouts.  It would have taken all day every day and birds and slugs and rodents and perhaps iguanas would have gotten into their non-windows and eaten their plantings.

    I did raw sproutarian and vegan no animals consistently over decades.  The human body, or many human bodies cannot convert some of the sprout based nutrients no matter how well prepared to eat it.  Life can be longer and more importantly more calm and strengthening without forcing things.  In time maybe you will see this, maybe you won't.  Hope to see you back if you do.  Nice meeting you (in this thread).