Weird. I eat a lot of fruit at night and throughout the day and meat in the morning and afternoon. I used to only eat between the hours of noon and 8 pm and fast the rest of the day but since going raw I been getting pretty laxed on those rules.

I don't know what the ideal ratio you are seeking is. I been eating a lot of fruit because it's in season and really cheap right now. Especially watermelon because my kidneys were hurting earlier but as soon as the price goes back up I will probably quit buying it. I believe there is a good ratio I just don't know what it is. For one thing, are you asking calorie wise or volume? I guess you would have to establish that before you could establish an ideal ratio. Probably more than a ratio of fiber to meat is how you are getting that fiber. I don't eat grains and get all mine from fruit and vegetables. Mostly fruit lately.

Maybe it's not so bad only buying what's in season. That way I don't eat the same thing for too long. Like I said I mainly do it for economics.

it looks like my body wants a shift so I'm trying new things since raw vegan the way I was doing it is not serving me anymore. End of January I started to play around with the master fast system/mfs ( grape juice and lemon along with some of Dr. Morse's herbs to assist body, I still had my fruit based dinner at nt  ). I used mfs to get myself off the holiday snacking I did on foods are usually don't eat. It was easy to transition back to my normal way of life which is juices all day with a big meal with the family in the evening .  But my meal has always been Raw and vegan -no grains whatsoever.  I used animal foods like a  condinment when I notice drawing towards them which is rare.
Ive never ever been a dogmatic vegan.

 I did melon island Lately (only eating various melons for a period of time -2-3 wks I went )  and I think that's what put me over. I realized Sleep was disturbed, it's like my energy was zapped! so I went to two dif Chinese acupuncturist (bc the first one was very rude ) but both of them, not knowing each other, diagnosed me the same way a "spleen QI deficiency . "

When I eat fiber lately I just feel waterlogged imediatly afterwards on melons or "full" on other fruits but not nourished👎🏻. I juice and I feel nourished👍🏻. I eat protein/fat (raw meat) I feel satisfied👍🏻.  I know all the fruity Internet people brag about their fruit bellies but really that's not comfortable even if it's just 30 minutes of it - I'd rather feel satisfied  and sleep well .  I sleep a lot less when I'm fruit-based which many think is a good thing but when the acupuncturist noticed right off that my sleep is disturbed too , I don't think that something I want to continue with.

I could eat several times a day a piece of fruit here and there (wai diet like) then fish for dinner but really I've done it before and it's distracting.  But I haven't given fruit juice, like you and your orange juice, a real chance to incorporate in with having a animal food meal in the evening .

 I haven't played with higher fats ( unfortunately there's not much protein in avocado) so I'll try that tonight.

Really, like your staying in season and not overspending on foods out of season, i'm just slowly emptying out my fridge of what I still have before I do this experiment again of juice in the day with a meat/fish meal for the evening.  I know myself I won't cut out fiber, at least not forever, but during my experimenting  and shifting I'm willing to play with just about anything .
 

Still haven't learned to like it without the salt and spices unless it's in the form of a smoothie and even then I need to spice up tripe and kidney in order to get it down.

Though it may be coming. I am eating some steak tartare right now and it tastes over salted and over spiced to me. Guess it's time to cut back on them.

Okay, what's the smoothie? I began to eat only plants when I was 14 yrs old bc meat just grossed me out- very mental but also the quality was factory farmed animals so no wonder I felt better without it.

isn't some salt needed if one eats animal foods, Or is that just low carb?

Thank you! Great advice.
I really like the pointers in this link you provided too with the starters tips 👌🏼👌🏼

I eat plenty of fruit in my diet. I used to try and eat more fiber. I even supplemented with it but now I only eat as much fiber rich fruits and vegetables as I care for. I don't think there's any point in intentionally restricting fiber as if it was something bad for you. It provides places for good gut flora. On the other hand I didn't feel all that great when I was intentionally forcing more fiber upon myself than I wanted just because I thought it was good for me. It didn't help me to loose weight either. I think I crave more fruit since I stopped supplementing with fiber. I still juice oranges in my juicer with the skins on. Not so much for the fiber as for the additional vitamins and essential oils it contains. I think raw egg yolks are gross. Maybe if I weren't getting enough meat protein I might eat them but I don't worry about throwing them away. Even my dogs wont eat them; so how good can they be?

Oh I love raw yolks, taste like creamy vanilla filling to me.

I think it's great what your doing, from my experience at least, it appears very balanced. I dont enjoy going to extremes, but living vegan then raw vegan maybe extreme ??!
I'm not sure how much fiber your getting a day from fruit and veg. Being a man your body will respond differently too.
I do juice more produce than I could eat (micronutrients 👌🏼) , for whatever reason I feel best on juices but I do enjoy eating to where living on juices doesn't appeal to me completely, social settings too I've got to consider.   

I've looked and called all local places that sell sushi grade salmon and tuna and it's ALL it's all farmed (Atlantic farmed).  Is it going to hurt me to be eating sushi grade that's come from farmed?

I did try some higher ends stores for wild, freshest they had,  it was so fishy couldn't eat it. I've been Researching this and it says to never eat wild salmon "raw", it's worse for you than sushi grade that's been farmed?

What's the deal on all the sushi grade salmon and tuna being farm raised, can we eat say 8 oz a day of this and be healthy or are they really full of bad fats and antibiotics etc...? What to do if they are, what fish can we eat safely raw? I really want to make raw fish work, as much as I try red meat cooked or raw doesn't appeal to me at all.

A_REAL_MAN yes, common sense right. We do get fed lots of BS Through worldly systems, but were born with divine intelligence to see our way through it, yet were taught not to trust ourselves either so we've got to wake up to ourselves eventually to experience the freedom and peace we carry inside.

ERIC I've been reading about the reindeer ppl, so interesting the conditions we can adapt to. I don't think those that live in those conditions live super long either but isn't it bc of the weather conditions, not  necessarily the diet? That's the thing, like blue zones, foods not the main component to why they live long.
I'm really only asking about cutting fiber (fruits/veg) but keeping animal foods(not dairy -Im intolerant of it anyways) and juices in to give my intestines a short break, basically benefits of a fast without loosing weight.  I just wanted to know from real people's experiences that have eaten only meat for periods that it doesn't actually constipate you and stop up your colon due to no fiber to move it along.
 I know a juice fast is ideal for giving the intestines a break but I'm 5'3 100 pounds,  it would be scary to see how small that would make me .

DARIORPL - I'm not familiar with AV. But sounds right, esp parasites and he was eating cooked meats?  I've seen people using turpentine to get those parasites out very successfully .

SURFSTEVE- before raw?  If you don't mind me asking what does your diet look like now? Are you feeling better than you did before?

Ok Now I'm  very excited about doing this experiment and longer than before! before I lasted 3 or 4 days without produce (veg/fruit).  We were traveling so I was limited to cooked animal foods .  And the last two nights I woke up in the Mid of night with terrible Charlie horses and very hungry .

I have been higher fruit this past year than ever before. I went to an  acupuncturist today and he said after the exam my system is "moving slowly, digestion is weak, and very damp. Along with sleep isn't good".

ERIC interesting point on fungi and meat connective tissue and collagen.   I didn't realize that about collagen. I'll look him up, and the gut project 👍🏻 I'm done with vegetables unless something miraculous happens to my gut, fruit is so much easier on my system. 

I agree YS, he's very exaggerated in his ways of sharing. But if he's using stats, like saying only .2 to 1.2% of meat eaten is passed into colon and in form of ash I'd hope he didn't make that up to shock readers.

Thank you SURFSTEVE!



Im taking it you all added a couple tbl of fat to your meals correct?

Thank you Eric!
The author targets just what you said, fiber from grains and of course the fiber supplement industry. The thing is there is  absolutely no other source I have ever come across that says meat does not disrupt the functioning of your bowels. So if he's right, what a mass lie bring told in about every arena of dietary theories.

I've also read that if one eliminates all other foods except clean animal foods for a period of days, the body's intestines have a chance to cleanse and reset . This is so far off from what most gurus say "meat rots inside you, stops up intestines, if your not eating it with fiber to push it through...."

Interesting, but not surprising, about your friend in Africa .
Personally the only source of fiber I feel physically comfortable after eating is sweet and non-sweet fruits. Vegetable fiber acts like grain fiber in me, upset spastic gut. I eat very "wai" like (raw fish, eggs, and fruits) but I'm considering giving my intestines a good break so that means eliminating fruit for a few days, weeks, or longer.

Im so much better the last several years if allowing my body to be the guide, not health experts, but I still find myself having to work out the brainwashing I took in for a very long time, decades of eating lower fat plant based vegan (bulk based meals with lots of natural fiber) and the diet industry that followed with lots of vegan propaganda that animal foods and there fats cause cancer, heart disease, Etc....

Lol😂 Maybe so 👍🏻👍🏻

Thank you Tyler, I remember your only meat experiment from a long time ago, I need to go back and find that. For me it's mental, thinking about hypnosis or somethin else to release the anxiety about using bathroom outside of my own home.
It will be raw sushi grade fish for me right now, don't have raw meat at the resort were going to.  Pretty sure they'd ban me from the hotel if I brought that 

Thank you sabertooth :-)
Your personal experience is helpful. We hear a lot of things contradicting the last study but personal experience is a whole nother thing.
What vegetables do you consume that keep carbs so low? Do you actually need to watch quantity of greens  to keep producing ketones? 
Do you feel well, even in the beginning?  I got muscle cramps (that woke me up, I even took magnesium) & sleeplessness most the month I tried low carb.  I only ate greens and nonsweet fruits for produce and mainly cooked whole ck & fatty raw fish for protein & fats.   

Here's the interview-
http://oneradionetwork.com/health/dr-thomas-n-seyfried-the-management-and-prevention-of-cancer-using-the-ketogenic-diet-september-17-2013/

Really interesting  info on fats. I've avoid ketogenic diet experiments bc I hear they can really mess up your system long tern (thyroid I hear most about).
But this interview got me thinking.....
He's working with cancer patients but definitely  made it clear that excess fats do NOT store as fat but excess glucose does.