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Health / Re: How do you obtain fats?
« on: December 24, 2010, 08:51:02 am »
I buy marrow bones for 2 dollars a pound and have to limit myself to about 4 pounds week. Its good nutrition and is a valuable source of fat, but cost can be an issue. I have become good at looking at the frozen bones and picking only the ones that are full of marrow. Now that the holiday orders have already been filled the stores have been able to get a good supply. They are not 100% grass fed, they usually come from this Ohio signature beef which is grass fed and finish on grain for 14 days before slaughter. 14 days of grain is a decent compromise and I doubt that the marrows nutritional values are much harmed by it.

The grass fed meats they have at the whole foods comes from Georgia and I may just be a little prejudice, but Georgia soil ain't the richest in the world and I don't really much like the taste of the grass fed beef that I have gotten. I have been lucky to find a source of Kentucky black Angus and that with my free lamb fat and an occasional road kill make up the bulk of what I eat. The black angus I get is fairly fatty as well, although the past couple of months my source has dried out and I have had to live on lamb and deer.

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Health / Re: How do you obtain fats?
« on: December 24, 2010, 06:36:00 am »
I get an unlimited amount of lamb fat from a Mediterranean restaurant, it would just be put in the garbage if I didn't take it.

I would say that 50 percent of the calories in my diet is free, and if I get a good road killed deer then I can live cheap and still maintain my lavish diet.

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: How many carbs to un-keto-adapt?
« on: December 23, 2010, 11:09:27 am »
I have my little badly weened out bits of raw meat , fat, and berries and am supplamenting with a home made formula. I don't think that you should ween directly into keto. I am attempting to keep the food intake to equal a similar carb to fat ration of breast milk , perhaps a little more raw protein. From what I can tell it works wonderfully and if I am lucky perhaps one day I can write a book about what I am doing.

I am zero to low carb because of my past health history, but in general my people tolerate carbs well and I believe if I just provide my children with raw fats and protein while strictly limiting processed foods as well as some other protocol, then I believe they will be able to thrive wither or not they go ketogenic or not.

If you are going through adaption you should be able to taste it and smell it in your urine. I had a really strong taste in my throat that went away after a few weeks when I became adapted. I have never left ket yet so I am not sure of what to expect if I were to eat a bunch of carbs.

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General Discussion / Re: Raw complex carb options
« on: December 23, 2010, 09:36:57 am »
( in a nut shell) I have had a good experience in my 11 months of going paleo, thats one reason why I still hang out here and rave about the issues and try to learn as much as I can. I had reached a point last year when I could no longer eat anything without severe gut pain and sugar spikes. I don't know what condition to compain about the most, but somehow everything seemed to suck. I got viral meningitis a couple of times, hand foot and mouth, K9 parvo(seriously I though I was dieing and couldn't eat anything for a week, was dry heaving and spitting up foam.) My white counts were a little low and my blood sugar a little high and my liver enzymes were off, but no doctor could tell me what was happening. I would have swollen glands and lympnodes and joints lock up during some type of flareup. I had no money or insurance and so was show the door with a scrip for anti depression meds, by uncaring roboticaly trained doctors (Its an injustice that I will never forget.)

I became so wheat intolerant that I would have disorienting episodes and gut pains after eatting any. So I promised to do something about it, and began to research, which lead me into the smokescreen and mirrors of the natural health movement which is so missleading that I often wonder about all those poor souls who actually follow their guidelines of whole grains and low fat and soy.

Eventually I found out about Weston price and Av and while my wife was in the hospital with our new baby I went straight into a raw carnivorous diet. Within a week my blood sugars stabilize and would only spike if I ate a piece of fruit or drank some raw milk, so I took those out of the diet  and after about 3 weeks my blood sugars stayed around 100, whereas before it was over 110. My stomach stopped hurting and my liver became  unclogged. I was having the most complete digestion of food I can ever remember. I eventually lowered my sugars to the mid 80s and even after a large meal I wont go over 95, (when I was ill I would sometimes spike up to 170 and then stay in the 130s,and I would feel terrible all day).

I am eatting a ketotogenic diet were at least 70% of my calories come from raw fat(lamb trimmings, bone marrow, fatty cuts, egg yolks,coconut. While about 20 to 25% come from protein and only 5% from carbs. I am on one of the more extremely carnivorous forms of the raw paleo diet, because of my bloodsugar issues I didn't have much choice, But I can tell you that my recovery has been truly incredible.

Perhaps for someone who isn't as damaged as I was, trying to adapt to this type of extreme diet may not be best, and there may be draw backs for some people that may have different issues. People with less desperate problems might want to try gradually easing into a more ketogenic diet and try to test for themselves how much raw fat they feel good with, also its importaint to know, source matters. I have developed extra sensory perceptions when it comes to tasting meat and I can tell after a difference between different qualities of grassfed, some store bought stuff just doesn't taste right, so I will have look for something different. Before I found my unlimited lamb fat source I was constantly searching for quality beef fat. Sometimes I would get some that was just excellent and other  times I was put off by something that I cant really describe. (now I am ranting), but I often wonder about how some peoples lack of success on this high fat diet may be a quality issue. If you are going to live off of animal fat then it is more important to make sure its 100% pure, than someone who only eats 30 percent or lessof fat and is living using alot of clean paleo carbs.

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Health / Re: Helminthic worm therapy
« on: December 23, 2010, 08:42:51 am »
No Tyler I am not mistaken, trust me on this one, I live in the southeastern united states and I remember my own mother telling me about the study where 7% of autopsy's find trichinosis. The studies have been buried under what whitewash the mainstream has put out , (I have noticed this type of thing happen since the beginning of history). The main stream will bury some of the facts of life that they don't want us to know, especially for something like trichinosis which there is basically nothing they can do. The conventional treatments are often more harmfull than having the worm.

Although toxoplasmosis is also a universal and prevalent issue, I have even heard on a national public radio show about how the majority of humans have had it and that it may be responsible for a large percentage of diagnosed mental illness,.

This is why I made the stand alone statement about how Trichinosis and blood parasites are not taken as seriously as they should be, If you are immune suppressed to the point you have a trichinosis infestation, then I have no doubt that you are also susceptible to bloodparisites.

So the main issue I am raising ties back into the Idea of how immune suppressed individuals may need exposure to more harmless organisms like hook worms and whipworms to prime the immune system in a way to strengthen it against the more harmful ones like Trichinosis and toxoplasmosis. This is where my intersest in the subject has left me.

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Health / Re: Helminthic worm therapy
« on: December 23, 2010, 08:00:49 am »
It is estimated that 10% to 20% of the adult population of the United States suffers from trichinosis at some time. In many people with the disease exhibits no symptoms and is discovered only at autopsy. In others it causes diarrhea and other gastrointestinal symptoms as the worms multiply in the digestive tract. When the larvae circulate through the bloodstream, the patient experiences edema, irregular fever, profuse sweating, muscle soreness and pain, and prostration. There may be involvement of the central nervous system, heart, and lungs; death occurs in about 5% of clinical cases. Once the larvae have embedded themselves in the muscle tissue, the cysts usually become calcified; however, the infestation usually causes no further symptoms except fatigue and vague muscular pains. There is no specific treatment.

I have also read that at least 7% of autopsies in my part of the world discover trichinosis, so I think its a prevalent issue that is ignored. The  majority of people afflicted only have mild symptoms and if your immune system is healthy then perhaps a small load could help stimulate a cleansing immune responce, sadly many people are not so resilient and as they reach elder years they are less able to contain the infection and I believe that a good number of elderly people suffer from the debilitating symptoms of trichinosis, and are just written off as having nerve issues of age induced senility. Its just a hunch, I could be mistaken and those 10 to 20 percent of us who have contracted it are entirely unharmed by it and the symptoms of initial infection are so mild they are mistaken for food poisoning or some cold, its worth debating, although in the end there is nothing you can do about it , besides attempting to avoid highly contaminated meats and keeping yourself healthy.

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General Discussion / Re: Raw complex carb options
« on: December 23, 2010, 06:56:25 am »
 
You mentioned that you have BAKED the squash... that means that you've cooked it, some squash is high on the GI so of course if you ate it cooked it spiked your blood glucose. Have it raw next time if you can digest it and I'm pretty sure that it won't be as bad
I was eatting raw summer squash back when I was struggling with blood sugar issues, but at the time my digestion was so impaired that raw plant foods would pass through me undigested. I was so malnourished because cook meat made me feel sick as well, so I was attempting to get my daily vittles from veggies and it wasn't working at all. I believe that squash can be good for people who aren't so damaged, but I am not ready to risk it just yet based on my past issues.

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Hot Topics / Re: raw coconut aminos?
« on: December 22, 2010, 09:14:04 pm »
I eat about a pound of coconut better every 5 days and feel alright, although I often wonder about long term effects of soo much coconut, I may turn into a coconut , I am fairly convinced that I eat more coconut than anyone  around here, so small amount of coconut amino's should be fairly safe even if they are not optimal by paleo standards as long as you don't have any noticeable issues with it.

 I use my butter for the same reason, to make raw meat into a dessert.

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General Discussion / Re: Raw complex carb options
« on: December 21, 2010, 01:26:18 pm »
I experimented with baked squash when I was pre diabetic, I had mixed results. My sugars wouldn't spike as much as it did with grains but I still had trouble with carbs in general.

Right now my main carb is coconut and lemon water, although I have had a few berry's without any issues, it seems my diabetes has been cured but I still want to play it safe by waiting a little longer to add more carbs.

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General Discussion / Re: How long do you store meat?
« on: December 21, 2010, 09:35:21 am »
I have been making counter top jerky with my deer meat. Its the winter time and with the fernace going the air is fairly dry, and any meat I leave out on the counter will get dry and crusty, I love the soft chewiness of deer that's been left out for days.

My beef cases would take me a while to go through, so I would leave about 15 pounds in the fridge and freeze the rest. It came in vacuumed packed 25 pound pieces and if I didn't eat it within 10 days or so after opening, it  seemed to get a sourness that isn't to my liking. It was different from a properly aged taste, maybee because I kept in in the plastic bag it came in so it sat in a soggy sack and wasn't aired right.

One day I would like to be able to hang it in a meat locker so it could age things properly.

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General Discussion / Re: High meat
« on: December 21, 2010, 05:32:01 am »
I know AV usually recommends eating only tiny, marble-sized amounts of high-meat per day, but I have found that such small amounts simply do not give me the standard effect. I invariably need c. 2 mouthfuls(2 cubic inches?) of high-meat before I get that vast improvement in concentration levels and higher energy.

I saw Av eatting large bites of high meat along with his meal of aged meat in the Ripley's video. It gave me the impression that he ate allot of it personally, Does any one know why he gives such limited recommendations.  I am personally eatting about a tablespoon of high meat every other day. If I eat it every day it loses its effect and if I eat more than a large spoon full I get too wired up to sleep at night, but I still like the effect.

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Info / News Items / Announcements / Re: Alarming new study on tap water
« on: December 21, 2010, 04:38:30 am »
Well, look at the bright side at least you live in Canada, there should be cleaner waters up that way, I grew up off of cloudy looking chlorinated fluoridated tap water, that came from the Ohio? / Kentucky river.

There are some of the most pristine limestone springs in the area of the world I live in , but people are to ignorant and greedy to allow for the development and distribution of clean unshackled drinking water. There are agency's  that go around and refuse to let horse farmers dig wells under some asinine excuse that there is excessive bacteria in the soil so the farmers will be forced to use city water. I did work for a woman that had the cleanest looking most pristine spring along with an abandoned well on her property and she was told that she couldn't put a new well on her property because of soil bacteria(oh really). The water regulators have all been compartmentalized to the point where no one is allowed to do indpendant testing and local communities have no say so in what chemicals are allowed in their water supply. I live on the ass end of Lexington and I can taste and smell the chemicals in the tap water, all I can do is to buy RO water for 39 cents a gallon and use a 5 gallon water dispenser. If I had the money I would by a water generator. Its sad because the area I live in was once renowned for the quality of water by the horse farmers and whiskey brewers that settled here.

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Off Topic / Re: Quote of the Day(inspired by SD's post)
« on: December 21, 2010, 12:18:46 am »
When you look for the bad in mankind, expecting to find it, you usually will."
— Abraham Lincoln

A drunkard had told me something similar when I was sleeping on the streets, he was going into some monolog about how you have to dig in( he had literally made a dug out and lived in a thicket at a city park and survived off of garbage for years, anyway he could tell that I was judging him to be loony and then he said to me,point blank, If you are going to look for fault in a person you will find it. It struck me as being prophetic at the time. I didn't know it was derived from the Abraham Lincoln quote, anyway I began to take him more seriously and even made pilgrimage to northern California because he said it was the perfect place to life as a vagrant. It may have been when he was there 20 years ago but by the time I got there I found much of it to be a meth hole, although the weather was nice and the forrest were beauteous.

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Hot Topics / Re: Free radicals are good
« on: December 20, 2010, 11:29:50 pm »
I always had doubts about the whole anti oxidant vs. free radical wrestling match that's been portrayed in the established medical view of things. A lot of the synthetic antioxidants are poisonous in themselves and some free radicals are produced by the cells for some reason and could stimulate a protective responce within the body without the need of synthetic antidotes., so this indiscriminate war that's been waged against the free radical seems reckless and half baked.

Once you label a natural process like the production of free radicals as some totally negative phenomenon without truly investigation all the variables like how the process might be necessary to trigger a protective reaction within the body , and also suggest that a person take unnatural substances(synthetic antioxidant) to fight against these naturally occurring substances;then you have made some quantum leap beyond the application of good science, and have entered into the realm of nutritional witchcraft, supplemental sorcery, and free radical conspiracy.

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Health / Re: MY LEG!!!
« on: December 20, 2010, 12:06:36 pm »
I suffered from night cramping before I started paleo, and it would come and go, I think its some type of mineral imbalance issue. It flared up real bad this summer, and I would buy a bunch of oysters or fish and was for a time adding magnesium chloride to my water, I think it helped. Its better now that the winter is here and I no longer have to break a daily sweat, I sure hope I don't have to suffer with it this next summer.

It may be that there is some adjustment that has to take place considering all the other complaints on this forrum about cramping. I had the same cramping issues as KD. There was couple of times I would do yoga and my hamstrings would lock up, I just thought it was from running up and down ladders all day and not keeping hydrated, but based on the testimony here there may be something else to it.

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Hot Topics / Re: Matt Stone Catecholamine Link
« on: December 20, 2010, 10:27:28 am »
If he was right about this theory about how this catecholaine thing causes adrenalin overload and the development of Adrenalin resistance then the Eskimos could not be as healthy as they are considering their cradle to grave low carb diets. There may be something else to it because none of us are following the Eskimo version of a low carb diet, so there may be some truth to his claim based on differing individual circumstance, like negative effects of plant foods, or flat out cheating with sad foods, short of a double blind study or some personal testimonial backed by evidence I will remain skeptical

I was adrenal fatigued before this diet and now I have energy galore and haven't noticed any decline so far. I heard him talking about blood temperature being related to metabolic disorders, which reminded me that since I was a teenager my blood temperature was rarely above 97 degrees, and I think I have always suffered from some metabolic sluggishness, but I can tell you that now my temperature is spot on 98.6 and I don't feel so week and cold in the mornings like I used to. When I was real ill I remember waking up with a temperature of 96.8 and even if I was sick I would rarely spike a fever. I also am more cold hardy and can work outside in fridged weather without getting fatigued by the cold, the last two winters before this diet were terrible and I could hardly tolerate having to do a whole days work.

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Off Topic / Re: New study on gut permeability (leaky gut) and depression
« on: December 20, 2010, 03:37:05 am »
So they have just figured out that people with leaky gut suffer depression, well I could of told them that about 4 years ago when I was suffering from such afflictions. I had a nutritional blood analysis done and it showed that I had excessive fat in the blood as well as parasites and bacteria. I would have mental episodes after nearly every meal where I would feel demented and poisoned,  How could one who has such a condition not also suffer from depression. Isn't most serotonin production within the nerves of the gut, so if the immune stem of the gut is under attack then I seriously doubt those cells are going to be able to pump out the feel good hormones as freely as someone who is afflicted.. 

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General Discussion / Re: High eggs?
« on: December 20, 2010, 02:47:16 am »
I will sometimes eat an egg yolk with high meat, but I haven't had high eggs, although I have found a few eggs my chickens had layed that were about three weeks or so out in the summer heat, they were a little sour but not what you would call high.

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Off Topic / Re: Washing Clothes
« on: December 19, 2010, 02:36:53 pm »
When I grew up the kids in my family including my self had to constantly endure rashes and irritated skin due to detergent residues in the clothes. I remember breaking out in hives on numerous occasions, and now I am very picky about laundry soap. When I do have to use a cheaper brand of soap I will often use half the recommended amount or if its particularly fragrent and irritating I will do a second rinse cycle to remove the residue.

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Health / Re: Helminthic worm therapy
« on: December 19, 2010, 10:11:40 am »
I have done my fare share of raving against probiotic supplaments and their ineffectiveness. Its all baloney, scientist have found that healthy guts are infested with strains of bacteria and have cherry picked only a few of the countless liveforms that inhabit the gut and have labled it pro biotics and have sold it as some wonder supplament, while ignoring all the other factors involved in symbiotic relationships which are really what is responsible for healthy gut ecology. People who live on paleo foods are not going to need a gut loaded with acidophiles bacteria, that primarily feed off of vegtable matter and dairy. High meat is the ultimate digestive tonic and should provide all the beneficial bacteria paleo people require

I think that trichinosis and blood parasites are much more prevalent and harmfull than medical science has acknowledged.

There were major genetic changes that focused on the immune system during the rise of paleolithic man.
We humans have a longer gut that is less acidic than other predator animals which makes us more vulnerable to worms in general, so evolution  gave our guts an extremely powerful immune system to provide protection against carrion worm and other parasitic infections, as humans began to become more carnivorous. The problem is that now we live removed from those primal conditions so that now young children are not exposed early to worms and other symbiant organisms and therefore are not able able to develop the iron guts as our paleo children did, and even if modern kids are breastfed there is little chance that the milk is loaded with antibodies against such parasites, because of the sterility of modern life.

This powerful immune system developed by our carnivorous ancestors is being abused and misused by the neolithic diet, along with the sterilize the world mentality of our time. This notion is in tune with what worm therapy is dissigned to do, which is to stimulate the immune system of the gut in  order to purge it of other more harmful organisms,  it may even help heal the damage done by eatting the wrong foods, by letting the immune cells exercise their fury upon true invaders instead of exhausting itself with autoimmune reactions to the wrong foods.

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General Discussion / Re: How did you end up RP?
« on: December 19, 2010, 02:08:16 am »
I have also noticed that African Americans develop at a faster rate than most other races, which gives them a prime advantage in highschool and collage athletics. I hit a late growth spurt and wasn't finished growing to after high school, but there were African American athletes that were fully matured and well mussled by the freshman year of highschool. Collage athletics depend on recruiting the best highschool athletes, then its obvious that the African Americans who reach sexually and physical maturity at an earlyer age, will have an advantage, The early testosterone peak is what gives them black people a head start in developing athletic as well as sexual prowess.  This hormonal burst may have evolved to ensure survival on the African plains, while people from other regions evolved to grow more slowly which allowed them to perfect survival skills over a longer childhood in cooler climates

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Health / Re: White Tongue-what is it?
« on: December 19, 2010, 01:46:17 am »
you can google for pictures, but its like small ring worms that start as speck and then grow outward. Within  a few days they will go away and heal, only to come back within a week or so. Sometimes the ring is followed by a secondary candida overgrowth. The taste buds within the ring become wore down and smooth looking and can sometimes hurt. Its kind of scary to have, but its not like I have a choice, so I tolerate it and prey that it will go away. It has improved drastically over the past few months, my whole tongue used to be constantly covered by it, and now I only get a few smaller ones that come and go.

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General Discussion / Re: How did you end up RP?
« on: December 19, 2010, 01:24:47 am »
We are at an age where there is a great missunderstanding about the power of DNA to regenerate under the right conditions. We are being told that all these degenerative diseases is due to genetic flaws or bad genes. What we aren't being told is that its all caused by the same principles that were at work in pottingers cats.There is a downward spiral of circumstances that has lead to the problems of today. As long as the genetic code is still intact and capable of healing then even in many people who have already been labled as having bad genes , cancer genes, diabetes genes there is the capacity to heal. There is still time to reverse allot of the chromosomal chaos that has been caused by the adulterations in the food and environment. I propose that returning to the evolutionary diet is the best way to reverse the damage, and perhaps in some lucky people with the DNA survival structures intact, new adaptions and mutations will occur that will spawn the new age of human development. We are all constantly germinating and the will to survive and thrive is alive within the structures of our genes, we need to focus our efforts to provide the proper nutrition and environment which will restore us to our evolutionary peak. This can be done , and I have faith that my own children could be the beginning of the neo paleo Renaissance and if I am even remotely successful then perhaps within two generations I will have personally spawned a new breed of people with the strength and vitality of the ancient Olympians, and along with proper education and a good work ethic , they will be at the pinnacle of the next phase of our species.(I can still Dream)

Things are fairly dark for those who continue to follow the recommended dietary guideline's, its time for the illuminated people to break rank and take the authority over our own lives and declare I am not an insect in a hive, I don't want to consume food that was dissigned for slave class people. I will not be subject to standardization and will not blindly march the path that has been layed out by society. Anyone here with half a brain can see the new total wave of degenerative humanity that is upon us. The easier our lives become because of mechanization the less our will to live will be exercised and if the current trends persist then those survival mechanism's will soon become switched off completely and the human species will no longer be capable of proactive evolution. This degenerative creature that man is becoming will have no instincts left to protect it from the advances of mad science and will be doomed to extention.

Its up to us to develop a new science based on stimulating positive genetic expression by wholesome means. We can build a life were the DNA is kept pure from contamination and is exposed only to the best nutrition , and a life style were the thrills of the hunt can be reasonably simulated, a life with real pourpose that will drive us to new peaks of experience . If technology were to be properly harnessed then its possible to develop protocol that would insure the health vitality and happiness for people, from an evolutionary perspective. This wont happen on a large scale due to the nature of how the world works, but for a few pioneers there should be enough space on this big blue rock to attain this Ideal on a small scale.

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Health / Re: White Tongue-what is it?
« on: December 18, 2010, 11:31:23 pm »
I meant foggy headedness, but my spell check claims its not a word, go figure, anyway

I have gottin such improvement since going ZC but I remember that my limbs would feel real weak and I would often have to struggle to get up a flight of stairs and remember that heavy feeling , it usually was worse after a meal that contained carbs, but of course I was pre diabetic, on top of being eattin with fungus, I believe it was fungal overgrowth that was at he heart of the symptoms and I have managed to rid my gut of it fairly well on this diet, but I still have it on my tongue. I also used to have chronic organ and gut pain that seemed to coinside with the flare up of spots on my tongue and episodes of fatigue. I often forget how bad I was a year ago. By that time I couldn't eat any grains or starches or sugars without feeling demented and wiped out.

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Health / Re: White Tongue-what is it?
« on: December 18, 2010, 10:47:00 pm »
Pre paleo I had the white tounge real bad , after about 3 days into a fast my tongue would clear up,but it would always come back , I was already malnourished before this diet so I decided that starving it out isn't a good option.. I have been raw paleo for 11 months and the white fuzz is gone but I still suffer from an affliction called geographic tongue. My wife has it too and my kids get a spot every now and then,My father and has it as well. Its supposed to be some benign condition of unknown origin that affects some 30 million people, but I believe it is a poisonous fungus that is impossible to get rid of, perhaps some mutant strain that is resistant to virtually everything, I will often wake up with a fungal taste in my mouth. I try to ignore it, but I have noticed it flares up in cycles and when it breaks out, I have vague symptoms of foggy handedness and low energy, It seems to zap the life out of me, although now I am not as bothered by it anymore and when it does occur I am no longer bed ridden with fatigue like I used to be.

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